R766- the final hurdle

 
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
- Where will it be mainly based? (Rothbury or another location?)

it seems that the LVR will be using it in the near future. an educated guess refer to 'the picnic train' headboard on loco and Facebook page for 'the picnic train'
Dangersdan707
That's exactly what I was thinking

Kind Regards

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Suspect gofundme appeal outcome, will be a direct reflection of previous public relations efforts.
  ivahri Train Controller

Suspect gofundme appeal outcome, will be a direct reflection of previous public relations efforts.
michaelgm

There is already one $1000 donor. I respect that person's commitment. When I see a video of it in steam & some kind of announcement of a boiler ticket then I would love to do the same.

I know others have asked before but who are the members of the private partnership? Isn't it reasonable to ask who you are giving money to? Too many shonks around to rush in blindly.


Richard
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
Interesting to note that the gofundme campaign the group behind it is marked as being a charity.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The history of R 766's conversion to SG reminds me of the old saying:

'Never kick anyone's behind as tomorrow you may have to kiss it'.

The money for the radio seems to bear this out. With the benefit of hindsight a little PR for the proletariat to consume over the years would have been a big help at the moment.

The boiler ticket will be a mere formality when compared with what accreditation is likely to come up with but good luck to them anyway.
  ivahri Train Controller

The history of R 766's conversion to SG reminds me of the old saying:

'Never kick anyone's behind as tomorrow you may have to kiss it'.

The money for the radio seems to bear this out. With the benefit of hindsight a little PR for the proletariat to consume over the years would have been a big help at the moment.

The boiler ticket will be a mere formality when compared with what accreditation is likely to come up with but good luck to them anyway.
YM-Mundrabilla
Do you know the condition of the boiler? Again, information that is not available to those outside of a certain group.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The history of R 766's conversion to SG reminds me of the old saying:

'Never kick anyone's behind as tomorrow you may have to kiss it'.

The money for the radio seems to bear this out. With the benefit of hindsight a little PR for the proletariat to consume over the years would have been a big help at the moment.

The boiler ticket will be a mere formality when compared with what accreditation is likely to come up with but good luck to them anyway.
Do you know the condition of the boiler? Again, information that is not available to those outside of a certain group.
ivahri
No, I know nothing of R 766's boiler condition or its people other than the secrecy that everyone else has encountered over the years. The video mentioned 'a few stays' in the sort of vein 'we will have to clean the windows, too' so time will tell.
The boiler will either pass or it will not.
I do have some experience of accreditation ............
Accreditation of what is, in effect, a new (SG) steam locomotive is unlikely to be so simple. I hope that I am wrong here.
Nevertheless, I wish them well.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
- Where will it be mainly based? (Rothbury or another location?)

it seems that the LVR will be using it in the near future. an educated guess refer to 'the picnic train' headboard on loco and Facebook page for 'the picnic train'
Dangersdan707
And with Steamrail involved (and conversations that I have had with others in the Heritage sector suggest quite significant involvement) then will we see the Steamrail SG stuff at Dimboola getting a run, thinking Mildura post conversion?!?!

Over to you @TheVinelander !!!

BG
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I see it simply if you do not wish to donate, simply don't. Th e loco is now based in NSW, we have plenty of Steamers in Victoria with a very good variety with a J and another K about to be re=added to the available fleet.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
D3 Class*
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I see it simply if you do not wish to donate, simply don't. Th e loco is now based in NSW, we have plenty of Steamers in Victoria with a very good variety with a J and another K about to be re=added to the available fleet.
trainbrain
I agree however I (and it would seem quite a few other on here) just think they have a hide coming cap in hand for $$$ after so many years of no engagement with the wider rail fan community. I look forward to seeing the loco out and about, who knows, I may even pay to take a ride behind her but I for one won't be donating.

BG
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
I see it simply if you do not wish to donate, simply don't. Th e loco is now based in NSW, we have plenty of Steamers in Victoria with a very good variety with a J and another K about to be re=added to the available fleet.
I agree however I (and it would seem quite a few other on here) just think they have a hide coming cap in hand for $$$ after so many years of no engagement with the wider rail fan community. I look forward to seeing the loco out and about, who knows, I may even pay to take a ride behind her but I for one won't be donating.

BG
BrentonGolding
As a Queenslander who has worked on rail and steam in three states I will be donating, the lack of information on the conversion is a disincentive I will admit but anything that promotes further interest in rail be it preservation of steam or diesel is deserving of support, I understand that there is another broard gauge loco in the process of conversion and hopefully there will be more information made avaliable to the enthusiast community to further interest and support.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I understand that there is another broard gauge loco in the process of conversion
"Mufreight"
You do? Which loco, and where, and by whom?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I understand that there is another broard gauge loco in the process of conversion
You do? Which loco, and where, and by whom?
Valvegear
I assume that it is Seymour's J class???
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
that is correct YM, Seymour's second J class loco, J512. although according to SRHC blog not much work has been done aside from moving the frames and axels in a few inches.
Now can we please have SAR Tx on standard gauge in future?

http://australiansteam.com/J512.htm
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
J512's frame sat outside the Mechanical Workshop at SRHC for at least 10 years to my certain knowledge, with no work at all being done on any restoration. I believe that some work had taken place on wheels and/or axles before this time period, but I will stand corrected on this.
I will be both surprised and delighted if some work is actually being done on it.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Moving right along - are there no radio enthusiasts in Australia who could build one of these radios? Like others, I am appalled at 70 grand for one.
I'm sure there are multiple radio enthusiasts who could build one, given the right information, but it would not be legal to use and the technical information would be covered by non-disclosures a metre thick.

Even the old analogue UHF train radios tended to have proprietary trunking or 'sideband' data channels and even the most enthusiastic amateur would have had trouble getting the radio vendor to tell them how the system worked so they could build an interoperable unit for the heritage rail operator.

And even if they pulled all that off, the network operator could still refuse to allow the radio to be used in case it interfered with the approved vendor's radio system.

The interop testing is one reason why the commercial train radio sets are soo expensive. A LOT of time and money goes into the safety verification tests, and a 'home built' radio, no matter how meticulously built, just won't be able to show the proof that it will interoperate properly in all conditions.
Matthew
I would suggest, even though I am a late reader of this thread that the radio that is fitted to any locomotive would have to have an accreditation seal of approval that is approved to work over all rail system and operations areas that its likely to be used in, that, at least in NSW would include ARTC and John Holland control areas.

Which would perhaps make it harder for an independent person/company to off a cheaper system if it has not received the approved tick.  It would also mean that such an company would have to pay for the approval and mean the operators/owners of R766 would be billed for that as well.

So, its very likely that the $70k price tag would be the cheapest and best option,
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
a6et - a separate thread, called ICE Radios,  has been created under Radio and Scanning Discussions, and there is up to date information in it.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
This may sound a bit harsh, but who the hell are these people?

For years many of us have been requesting some form of an update on the progress of R766, and the closest thing we have had to a response is: "It's none of your business, the owners of R766 don't wish to make its current state public knowledge", yet now, they need money and here they are cap in hand.

On top of that, they appear to be, at best poor communicators, or at worst, down right dishonest. They say the only thing stopping this locomotive from running on the mainline is a lack of ICE Radio and that is what the requested 70K is for, yet it appears there are other issues that money will not cover. So which is it?

Also, who will be managing this locomotive? Who will be responsible for the money that is raised? How do we know we can trust them to do what they say they will do?

It's all good to say that the information has been out there, but where? I haven't seen anything, others I know are in the same boat. I thought we were supposed to be their target audience, yet until now, we had been kept in the dark. Until now, when they want cash that is.

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As I said in another thread on this topic a few years ago, if your intention is to have R766 running tours, then before you get to that stage you need to engage with the public, mostly the railfan public. You need to keep them updated with what is happening so when you get to THIS stage of needing the public to turn up and put their hands in their pockets, they actually know you, they know what it is your doing and they want to contribute. Unfortunatley this group have so far failed in this regard. I do hold out some hope though that this may change, but in order for that to happen, we need more information.

At this stage I will not be donating, I can think of more worthy causes, causes I trust a bit more, causes that see fit to keep the wider public informed on what it is they are doing.

That said, I do hope they reach their target and I do hope they get R766 hauling passenger specials again. I hope to one day be line side as it makes its triumphant return South of the Murray, and then, I may feel encouraged enough to fork out my own hard earned to ride a tour behind R766. I really do wish them the best, but I feel they could get there much easier if they were more upfront and honest with their intended future customers, and did just a little bit more work keeping the wider railfan community informed on their progress.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
who the hell are these people?
Gman_86
Exactly. I'm a member of two groups (see my signature) and I did my homework before joining and parting with cash. It is not clear to me who owns R766, who is in charge of the restoration/conversion or who is asking for money. I could even say what the heck is R766, but I have actually worked that bit out... Wink
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The other aspect that the 766 people could consider is that 766 is just an R class after all, and here in Victoria, R class locos are out and about frequently. Generating interest down here is going to be difficult, and we already have plenty of deserving groups to which we can offload some of our hard-earned. The fact that we have been ignored for so long compounds this situation.
I, for one wouldn't travel the short distance to the SG line to see another R just because it has been re-gauged, nor would I buy a ticket to ride behind it on lines where I've already been.
The only way I can see to promote interest south of the Murray is for a double head of 3801 or 3642 with 766. That can't happen until 766 is fully accredited to operate.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The only way I can see to promote interest south of the Murray is for a double head of 3801 or 3642 with 766. That can't happen until 766 is fully accredited to operate.
Valvegear
And you could imagine the debate and wringing of hands then over the subject of which one would be leading.

Who knows, we might even get to see a 3801+3642 Double Header before R766 steams out onto the mainline.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The only way I can see to promote interest south of the Murray is for a double head of 3801 or 3642 with 766. That can't happen until 766 is fully accredited to operate.
And you could imagine the debate and wringing of hands then over the subject of which one would be leading.

Who knows, we might even get to see a 3801+3642 Double Header before R766 steams out onto the mainline.
mikesyd
In Victoria? Wouldn't that largely depend on them letting VR crews on the footplate? Isn't that the issue that prevented the Garrett coming south? They weren't prepared to let Victorian crews loose on their baby?

BG
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
In Victoria? Wouldn't that largely depend on them letting VR crews on the footplate? Isn't that the issue that prevented the Garrett coming south? They weren't prepared to let Victorian crews loose on their baby?
"BrentonGolding"
I'd be very surprised if that was the case. There is an ample amount of history of locomotives going interstate and being run by local enginemen.
When I first saw 3801 in Victoria it was driven south from the border by Jimmy Rae - a Wodonga driver. On subsequent runs both it and 3642 were handled by Victorian crews.
If you read the account of the Bicentennial Train by Tony Gogarty and Ron Preston, they list the names of the many crews from all States who were in charge of 3801 on all of its trips.
Flying Scotsman was handled by local crews wherever it went.
I can't see why the Canberra people would believe that interstate enginemen were any threat to 6029. If they were concerned, they could easily send their own Loco Inspector to keep an eye on things.
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
In Victoria? Wouldn't that largely depend on them letting VR crews on the footplate? Isn't that the issue that prevented the Garrett coming south? They weren't prepared to let Victorian crews loose on their baby?
I'd be very surprised if that was the case. There is an ample amount of history of locomotives going interstate and being run by local enginemen.
When I first saw 3801 in Victoria it was driven south from the border by Jimmy Rae - a Wodonga driver. On subsequent runs both it and 3642 were handled by Victorian crews.
If you read the account of the Bicentennial Train by Tony Gogarty and Ron Preston, they list the names of the many crews from all States who were in charge of 3801 on all of its trips.
Flying Scotsman was handled by local crews wherever it went.
I can't see why the Canberra people would believe that interstate enginemen were any threat to 6029. If they were concerned, they could easily send their own Loco Inspector to keep an eye on things.
Valvegear
I for one am looking forward to seeing R766 steam onto Roma Street with a train of blue and gold Spirit cars, turning it would probably involve splinting the engine and tender and I am sure there would be no problems getting bums on seats for a Roma Street to Southern Cross trip.

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