Minster for infrastructre - sorry insemination

 
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Barnaby Joyce is simply a disgrace lurching from one crisis to the next.

He should go now that he has a staffer pregnant.

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

In Barnaby's defence and trust me, I' m not a fan, fact is some relationships fail.

Listened to a shock jock this morning, he does not wish to discuss the matter, with respect to his wife and kids, OK. Was reported that Barnaby's issues were a well know secret in New England. Should the situation be reversed, and the Mp was lador or a green, reckon the above shock jock would be asking why, has this not been reported by the ABC?

Doubtful, according to reports that this would have affected the NE by election, two words come to mind, cover up.
Another is hypocrite, given his stance on the sanctity of marriage. As posted elsewhere, other people's marriage, not his.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Nearly everything has been said about Barnaby by now...

It appears that his wife didn't expect the press coverage and it was very unfortunate for her.

My concern about Joyce is his policy legacy. The Murray Darling and its environmental water flows are worse off from his obviously pro irrigation stance. His forced move of a Federal Department from Canberra to his electorate precipitated the departure of the few technical experts left in that field after the general cuts to the Public Service.

While many politicians are obviously just looking out for number one, Joyce has been rather more ruthless than most.

Peter
  VicRailNews Station Master

Relationships do fail and be should not be berated for that however sleeping with your staffer and getting her prego is not a good look.  Did he take her out on our dime?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Relationships do fail and be should not be berated for that however sleeping with your staffer and getting her prego is not a good look.  Did he take her out on our dime?
VicRailNews
Barnaby will probably plough through this, in the future however, should not campaign on a platform of honesty integrity and transparency.  FOI questions were asked on 7-30 last night in relation to taking her out on our coin, nothing to see here.

just remember, I Am an Australian, eligible to sit in the federal parliament. Not a NZ citizen.
should the numbers not be be so close in the house of reps, Barnaby would have already had his marching orders.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Picking up on this from Turnbull thread.

… This is what he said about the sacred institution of marriage in 2011:

"We know that the best protection for those girls is that they get themselves into a secure relationship with a loving husband, and I want that to happen for them. I don't want any legislator to take that right away from me."

But apparently being married doesn't actually mean squat to Barnaby. Hypocrite.
Agree, Barnaby's a hypocrite.

That said, quite a few hypocrites from other political parties too.

But to go around lecturing people about the sanctity of marriage all the while having an affair? That takes the cake. And his wife had no idea, she released a statement today saying how she was completely blind-sided by the whole thing...

Barnaby cannot claim that his private life is off-limits when he was such an ardent campaigner for the "sanctity of marriage" last year.
don_dunstan


I entirely agree with you Don.

People who claim that high moral ground as part of their public duties should be taken to task when they trash it.

Speaking of trash.

Apparently the Terrograph held off on this until it was such an open secret they would have been blatantly covering it up.

Meanwhile the cash-for-comment crowd were as one defending Barnaby. Contrast their support of this bloke with their treatment of Gillard who in the course of her job job copped sh#t over her relationship status and snide remarks concerning her fertility.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Rooting your secretary/staff member is a sackable offence in the corporate world - and for good reason! Seeing as our politicians justify their pay increases based on salaries in the high-end of the corporate world, I think that they should have to be held to similar standards of personal conduct. Then again, you could probably sack half the Parliament if they had to blow under 0.05 before they could enter the Chamber...
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The baby is expected in April, which means he did the dirty deed back in July.

This raises a question which could become quite important in the future: does the NZ government award citizenship based on the parents' NZ citizenship at the time of conception or at the time of birth?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Whilst not generally a good look, if managers and staff weren’t seeing each other outside of work (or as popular rumour sometimes has - ‘seeing each other’ at work), where I work, there would be in general nothing to discuss on a day to day basis.

We did lose the equivalent of a CFO and some nationally prominent people did get a bit of publicity, but that wasn’t entirely due to workplace relations, it was other reasons and someone opened the other can of worms to air their own dirty laundry - most of us think due to jealousy at being left out of it all.

Damn some of the post ‘incident’ training was boring though!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The really ‘impressive’ thing about the Joyce situation is the work done by his PR team. There were some issues with a senator which were agruably a bit more severe than this case, at the time I was amazed at the work done by their team to keep the story out of the media. That was a huge effort, but keeping this out of the press (when it seems to have been a bit of an open secret locally) was very well done.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The really ‘impressive’ thing about the Joyce situation is the work done by his PR team. There were some issues with a senator which were agruably a bit more severe than this case, at the time I was amazed at the work done by their team to keep the story out of the media. That was a huge effort, but keeping this out of the press (when it seems to have been a bit of an open secret locally) was very well done.
Aaron
I think Barnyard is dead meat. Turnbull must be furious. It would have been nice to announce the little bundle of joy prior to his re-election and leave it up to the electorate to decide. I believe he wont be around for much longer. Typical conservative type, do as I say but not as I do.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Aaron, agree with your assessment of the job done by PR team.

However, the reluctance of other members and the media in general, to pursue this vigorously as it appears common knowledge leads me to believe there are many more skeletons in those closets. Mp and media.
Canberra must be a lonely place.

If true, two jobs were created for Barnaby's squeeze and no rules were broken then the rules need to be changed.

Channel 9 stated earlier today, Barnaby is living in a townhouse owned by a "millionare business man" rent free. Someone will have to pay the piper at some stage.

Surely more to be revealed, Barnaby is just the gift that keeps on giving
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Once upon a time the National Party was led by decent and honorable men like Tim Fischer and John Anderson.

That's not the case today.

Time to get a new job Barnaby.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Rooting your secretary/staff member is a sackable offence in the corporate world - and for good reason! Seeing as our politicians justify their pay increases based on salaries in the high-end of the corporate world, I think that they should have to be held to similar standards of personal conduct. Then again, you could probably sack half the Parliament if they had to blow under 0.05 before they could enter the Chamber...
LancedDendrite
No its not.

40% of marriages come from staff relationships, including mine and no she wasn't my secretary.

He did not break the law.

He has unlikely broken any policy of the parliament.

Most companies have policies about relationships in the work place, they cannot legally bad them. Usually they have polices that involve declaring your relationship to your boss as part of their Code of Conduct to ensure no favoritism or conflict of interest.

Barnaby is however on my "$hit list" because I don't like how his wife has been treated because he did the dirty by having an affair before separating. Some will judge is politics and performance as a MP by having an affair, most won't give a toss. How many of our MP's divorce while in the house due to effectively fly-in fly-out lifestyle, no one gives a toss about them?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
But possible impacts to be considered?

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/transport-portfolio-in-the-balance-as-joyce-admits-to-affair
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
40% of marriages come from staff relationships, including mine and no she wasn't my secretary.
RTT_Rules

There's an important difference between a relationship between two co-workers and a relationship between a boss and their subordinate. Among other things, it introduces the possibility of direct nepotism - which appears to have occurred in Baaaaarnaby's case when the staffer was 'moved on' to a role in Senator Canavan's office that may have been created specifically for her.

He did not break the law.
He has unlikely broken any policy of the parliament.
RTT_Rules

This should be changed, as I pointed out. There needs to be some punishment for this sort of behaviour. Having an affair is fine - well, it's not a good look but it's really none of our business. A politician having an affair or romantic relationship with a staffer isn't OK. Staff are paid for by Parliament, so it's absolutely our business. We (well, some of us on this site) are the shareholders in that particular company.

The appropriate punishment for Baaaaarnaby would've been for this all to have come out during the New England by-election and let his constituents decide on the whole thing, but curiously everyone in Canberra (from what the papers say, just about the whole city knew about it) sat on this story until he was in the clear. I think that says something rather telling about the cosy relationship that journalists and politicians have. It was definitely in the public interest.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
LancedDendrite, you do know that Tony Burke had an affair with one of his staffers don’t you? The name Skye Laris rings a bell, and Burke was married to Cathy at the time.

Do we recall that it would seem that as a share holder we paid for them travel all over the world together? Did we see Tony Burke resign?

Nick McKim had an affair with Cassie O’Connor who worked as his staffer, and was married with four kids...

Not a word on those.

Bob Hawke was essentially applauded during his affair with Blanche (not a staffer), whilst PM and still married to Hazel.

The current leader of the opposition got his current wife pregnant while they were both in marriages with other people.

I am sure I could think of more if I remember back.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Nick McKim and Tony Burke should've been penalised too. We need to demand better behaviour from our politicians, regardless of which team they're on.

As for Hawkie... Blanche wasn't a staffer and to my knowledge wasn't being paid with public money. That's fine in my books. Bill Shorten? Who cares?

Returning to Baaaaarnaby: The Saturday Paper had an amusing editorial on him yesterday.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Please correct me if I'm wrong but the ministerial code of conduct only to ministers.
So an MP on the back bench can still bonk a staffer, sweet as?
What about shadow ministers?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The reason they all knew is becausw listemming to an interview with Ross Greenwood because it's so bloody common. Who is going to throw stones in a city of glass roofs?

We the tax payers (yes I'm one too, more than mos in net terms) pay them to spend weeks/months on end away from families and unlike miners they are all well dressed working long hours together, often eating and drinking together.

This is why I thunk so many of the opposition refused to comment and said he deserves his privacy because many have their own skeltons. Note I'm sure it was leaked by same.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
LancedDendrite, you do know that Tony Burke had an affair with one of his staffers don’t you? The name Skye Laris rings a bell, and Burke was married to Cathy at the time. ... I am sure I could think of more if I remember back.
Aaron
...This is why I thunk so many of the opposition refused to comment and said he deserves his privacy because many have their own skeltons. Note I'm sure it was leaked by same.
RTT_Rules


Troll out left bonkers whilst studiously avoiding those anointed to the right.

But this isn’t about affairs or privacy Rolling Eyes.

Fact is Barnaby preached the sanctity of marriage as an MP whilst having this affair. He denigrated the value of other relationships whilst committing adultery. Whether anything inappropriate was done to facilitate this relationship in the workplace remains to be seen. Knowing his form it wouldn’t be surprising and the Nats are big on favours.  

These people who claim the right do have this fixation with what people are doing with their genitals. Lead us not into temptation perhaps?
  allan Chief Commissioner

The press has given Barnaby an unnecessarily hard time. He's right. He's left one relationship, and started another. This is not "an affair".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/barnaby-joyce,-pregnant-ex-staffer-give-first-interview/9472246
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The press has given Barnaby an unnecessarily hard time. He's right. He's left one relationship, and started another. This is not "an affair".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/barnaby-joyce,-pregnant-ex-staffer-give-first-interview/9472246
allan

He was having sex with another woman (who is now pregnant with his child) while he was still married to his wife. How is that not an affair?
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
The press has given Barnaby an unnecessarily hard time. He's right. He's left one relationship, and started another. This is not "an affair".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/barnaby-joyce,-pregnant-ex-staffer-give-first-interview/9472246

He was having sex with another woman (who is now pregnant with his child) while he was still married to his wife. How is that not an affair?
Greensleeves
technically if they were already separated but not yet divorced it's not an affair as it's just waiting for the paperwork to catch up. If they were still living together then it's an affair

As to the truth we will never find out - most federal politicans, particularly ministers, spend a lot of time away from their family due to the nature of their  work (which they chose to do - they didn't need to stand for election or become a minister they chose to say yes when offered it)

This makes it more a state of mind thing- if his wife thought they were married and there was nothing going on it was an affair. if they had agreed to separate and started the process then it's another relationship

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