Resurrecting the Eaglehawk - Inglewood line New

 
  BendigoBlues Beginner

Hi all,

I was driving out of Eaglehawk today and noticed a bunch of men in high vis jackets checking out the tracks just past the points on the now disused line between Eaglehawk and Inglewood.

No other information available but could mean a final reopening maybe?

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Hi all,

I was driving out of Eaglehawk today and noticed a bunch of men in high vis jackets checking out the tracks just past the points on the now disused line between Eaglehawk and Inglewood.

No other information available but could mean a final reopening maybe?
BendigoBlues
More like a final nail in the coffin.  The points are probably going to get ripped out and used elsewhere I would imagine.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
VicTrack really has it in for that line.

What happened to the grain into the Bridgewater mill restarting ?
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

What would it take to convert this line into SG in order to connect Bendigo to the interstate network via the Murray Basin SG?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

What would it take to convert this line into SG in order to connect Bendigo to the interstate network via the Murray Basin SG?
Inland_Sailor
A full rebuild with concrete sleepers similar to the Ararat - Maryborough line, and ideally a new junction arrangement at Inglewood.  Plus significant remedial works on Loddon River bridge.  

Run it just to the containerized hay plant East of Bridgewater for the time being.  Not much point rebuilding it to Marong or Bendigo unless they build the Marong Business Park or Bendigo Workshops says they need SG.
  smalle2016 Beginner

Driving from Ingelwood towards Marong recently, I noticed that the tracks have been removed from just out of Inglewood for at least a couple of kilometres.
That must be saying something about the prospects of this line being reopened.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Driving from Ingelwood towards Marong recently, I noticed that the tracks have been removed from just out of Inglewood for at least a couple of kilometres.
That must be saying something about the prospects of this line being reopened.
smalle2016

That section was damaged with the storms of a few years ago and being broad gauge not likely to be used again for the time being but the line could be used for grain.

There is also a proposal for a terminal near Bridgewater.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The line stopped seeing regular use once the Boort goods ceased running. All grain from North of Inglewood goes via Maryborough, and all local grain goes via road.

After the Boort goods ceased, floods washed away large sections of the line (a few years back now). Without the regular traffic it once had there was no reason to repair the flood damage. This has not changed.

Without significant corporate interest, there is little likelyhood of this line reopening. If this line was to be reopened in the future, it would need significant work, similar to what has been done to the Ararat - Maryborough line.

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As for SG into Bendigo via Inglewood, the main issue is the route you are building. What's the point? If your aim is to send freight to Melbourne, then use the BG, its already there. If you where to put in SG to Bendigo via Inglewood, then it will certainly be travelling the long way to get to Melbourne via Dunolly, Maryborough and Geelong.

If your aim is to send freight from Bendigo to interstate markets, then that is even worse. Bendigo to Seymour is 1 hr 15 min by road. If you were to build an SG link from Bendigo via Inglewood, Dunolly, Maryborough, Geelong and Melbourne that is going to take what? 10 hours? More? You just aren't going to be competitive.

The only advantage I can see is if the destination for your freight is either North of Inglwood or Dunolly, The Port at Portland or anywhere West of Ararat. I'm no expert, but I doubt there is enough demand for that particular freight task to justify the cost of re-building and converting this line.

I am all for building new rail infrastructure, but there is so much we need that will not be built soon enough, or that will just never be built at all, we shouldn't worry about the stuff that doesn't come anywhere near stacking up.

At the end of the day, if their is enough corporate will for it, it will be built.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

An interesting comment by Bendigo Council CEO today on the proposed Marong Business Park:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5336781/decision-looms-for-marong-business-park-standoff/?cs=80

"Mr Niemann said seven other sites were considered by the council but the area in Marong was the most strategic, given its proximity to the Calder Highway and its position to access freight rail currently being upgraded as part of the Murray Basin Rail Project."
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
An interesting comment by Bendigo Council CEO today on the proposed Marong Business Park:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5336781/decision-looms-for-marong-business-park-standoff/?cs=80

"Mr Niemann said seven other sites were considered by the council but the area in Marong was the most strategic, given its proximity to the Calder Highway and its position to access freight rail currently being upgraded as part of the Murray Basin Rail Project."
Carnot

It does seem like this will go ahead which is good news.  How might the rail arrangements work?  Will be expect BG into the Park from the East or SG from the West?

Might both be required?

If SG is completed then it may spell the end for passenger services between Bendigo and Inglewood?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It would likely be SG from Inglewood to Marong, BG from Marong to Eaglehawk (mainly for future passenger rail as significant Marong housing developments happen).
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It would likely be SG from Inglewood to Marong, BG from Marong to Eaglehawk (mainly for future passenger rail as significant Marong housing developments happen).
Carnot
Indeed and as posted elsewhere many times there would be a lot of work needed on the Inglewood > Marong section.

Interestingly we went out to Inglewood at Easter and I popped over to the station for a look and the whole yard is now either ripped up or disconnected from the main and the passive LX at the Dn end has a third rail for the coming SG conversion.

If trains were to run from Marong out to Inglewood they would either need to build a new loop for the locos to run around at Inglewood or rebuild the line with a new curve between Bridgewater and the old junction to enable trains to run direct from Marong towards Dunolly

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I only ever remember 1 and 2 road at Inglewood.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

It would likely be SG from Inglewood to Marong, BG from Marong to Eaglehawk (mainly for future passenger rail as significant Marong housing developments happen).
Carnot
Or Dg to bring freight into/out of Bendigo and allow the Swan Hill line to be converted to Sg for grain and produce from that region access to the ports of Melb/Geelong/Portland via the MB Sg network.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I only ever remember 1 and 2 road at Inglewood.
bevans
Four roads plus one into the goods shed.
http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/Northern_&_Midland/31'84.htm

Looks even more impressive back in 1971, when the loco tracks and turntable were still in place:
http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/Northern_&_Midland/30'71.htm
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


If trains were to run from Marong out to Inglewood they would either need to build a new loop for the locos to run around at Inglewood or rebuild the line with a new curve between Bridgewater and the old junction to enable trains to run direct from Marong towards Dunolly

BG
BrentonGolding
It's been pointed out before, what freight trains are going to want to run between Marong and Dunolly ?

Rail's never going to compete with road on a route between Marong and Melbourne, If rail Is forced to take a very roundabout journey via Gheringhap, the road journey Is just about as straight as the crow flies !
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don't know if id put too much into the comments made by a councillor in this fashion.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It would likely be SG from Inglewood to Marong, BG from Marong to Eaglehawk (mainly for future passenger rail as significant Marong housing developments happen).
Or Dg to bring freight into/out of Bendigo and allow the Swan Hill line to be converted to Sg for grain and produce from that region access to the ports of Melb/Geelong/Portland via the MB Sg network.
Inland_Sailor
The swan hill line has been fitted with non gauge convertible Concrete sleepers along with that there is VLines Passenger service to contend to. I also don't think that SG freight from Bendigo is viable as the BG is quicker and the SG goes via the Murray basin.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

It would likely be SG from Inglewood to Marong, BG from Marong to Eaglehawk (mainly for future passenger rail as significant Marong housing developments happen).
Or Dg to bring freight into/out of Bendigo and allow the Swan Hill line to be converted to Sg for grain and produce from that region access to the ports of Melb/Geelong/Portland via the MB Sg network.
The swan hill line has been fitted with non gauge convertible Concrete sleepers along with that there is VLines Passenger service to contend to. I also don't think that SG freight from Bendigo is viable as the BG is quicker and the SG goes via the Murray basin.
Dangersdan707
Ah, but the concrete sleepers can be recycled and the MG network can open up access to the nationwide network. Eg Swan Hill to Brissy or Darwin etc!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Ah, but the concrete sleepers can be recycled and the MG network can open up access to the nationwide network. Eg Swan Hill to Brissy or Darwin etc!
Inland_Sailor
So not going to happen !

Sending Swan Hill trains via Maryborough Is going to add considerable amount of distance In the journey to port, how Is that going to stack up ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Nah, keep Swan Hill BG. Much less complicated.

As for freight users between Inglewood and Marong - huge quantities of export containerised hay (currently trucked) and the possibility a new grain facility near Bridgewater are in the mix.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

According to Google maps, Swan Hill to Geelong via Eaglehawk and Maryborough is 415km. SH to Geelong via Bendigo and Melbourne is the same, 415km. However by going the SG route[s] more than one port comes into play, thats if the produce is for export. It may have a domestic destination, much better served by being on SG. Additionally, freight wouldn't have to find paths amongst the passenger services on the Bendigo - Melb leg.

Furthermore, by including a SH line conversion to SG, the business case for rebuilding the Inglewood-Marong-Eaglehawk line is significantly strengthened, and may also allow for the much debated Bendigo - Ballarat - Geelong passenger link via the SG network to proceed, as part of this outcome, further strengthening the business case for this work. Any passenger travel between SH - Bendigo [and Marong - Bendigo obviously] would be on SG.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

[quote=Inland_Sailor]According to Google maps, Swan Hill to Geelong via Eaglehawk and Maryborough is 415km. SH to Geelong via Bendigo and Melbourne is the same, 415km. However by going the SG route[s] more than one port comes into play, thats if the produce is for export. It may have a domestic destination, much better served by being on SG. Additionally, freight wouldn't have to find paths amongst the passenger services on the Bendigo - Melb leg.

Furthermore, by including a SH line conversion to SG, the business case for rebuilding the Inglewood-Marong-Eaglehawk line is significantly strengthened, and may also allow for the much debated Bendigo - Ballarat - Geelong passenger link via the SG network to proceed, as part of this outcome, further strengthening the business case for this work. Any passenger travel between SH - Bendigo [and Marong - Bendigo obviously] would be on SG.[/quote]
I doubt passengers would be impressed with 80 km/h running between Bendigo and Maryborough via the long way.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

[quote=Carnot][quote]According to Google maps, Swan Hill to Geelong via Eaglehawk and Maryborough is 415km. SH to Geelong via Bendigo and Melbourne is the same, 415km. However by going the SG route[s] more than one port comes into play, thats if the produce is for export. It may have a domestic destination, much better served by being on SG. Additionally, freight wouldn't have to find paths amongst the passenger services on the Bendigo - Melb leg.

Furthermore, by including a SH line conversion to SG, the business case for rebuilding the Inglewood-Marong-Eaglehawk line is significantly strengthened, and may also allow for the much debated Bendigo - Ballarat - Geelong passenger link via the SG network to proceed, as part of this outcome, further strengthening the business case for this work. Any passenger travel between SH - Bendigo [and Marong - Bendigo obviously] would be on SG.[/quote]
I doubt passengers would be impressed with 80 km/h running between Bendigo and Maryborough via the long way.[/quote]

Again, back to Google maps, Bendigo - Maryborough via Eaglehawk/Inglewood route 110km 1hr 30m. Via Castlemaine, 85 km, 1hr 15m but would involve a change of trains at Castlemaine, soaking up the difference in time overall.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Not a bad ide really when Bendigo could also become an interchange hub for the north of the state.  Conversion of lines north and west of Bendigo to SG would open up the network to more freight making Bendigo like Ballarat will become at interchange.

SSR mays also like the idea of SG into Bendigo North.

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