Resurrecting the Eaglehawk - Inglewood line New

 
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
looks like a little track is missing?

Where is this exactly please?
NSWGR8022
There is an actual device called google maps that includes a photograph....Rolling Eyes



Things not as advanced up in New South Welshman country ?

BigShunter.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Interview with John Hearsch:

  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Listened to this live. What he had to say made sense, however it’s probably as likely to happen as the re-opening of the Webb dock line in Melbourne in the short term at least.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

When the tram tracks along Harbour Espl. was being worked on for a seemingly lengthy time, which I later learnt was about resolving a water leakage in the track bed, I thought it was about converting the Webb Dock freight line to a light rail, which obviously didn't materialize.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If planners and those in the know (let’s face it the govt isn’t) are asking for work to be done when it should really be considered. Getting grain and foods to market is the most important thing here.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A slight complication - Apparently 2 of the 4 roads in the Bendigo Freight Yard will be out of action while the new biowash is built.  Work commencing very soon...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A slight complication - Apparently 2 of the 4 roads in the Bendigo Freight Yard will be out of action while the new biowash is built.  Work commencing very soon...
Carnot

Temporary I assume?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If planners and those in the know (let’s face it the govt isn’t) are asking for work to be done when it should really be considered. Getting grain and foods to market is the most important thing here.
freightgate

Completely agree with this statement the government should be listening to those customers who need to use the network something they did not do for MBRP.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Listened to this live. What he had to say made sense, however it’s probably as likely to happen as the re-opening of the Webb dock line in Melbourne in the short term at least.
Galron
Hopefully your wrong Galron. I would like to think the G'vot will try to avoid getting any more egg on their face over the MBRP, than they already have.

While the rest of the program hangs in limbo, if they did reopen this section, that will allow the harvest/produce to get to port with a little less drama and hopefully keep most of the operators happy. Although I reckon Qube with the Ultima hay train will still be seething over having to run a prehistoric braodgauge train. Fingers crossed !

BigShunter.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

Although I reckon Qube with the Ultima hay train will still be seething over having to run a prehistoric broadgauge train.
BigShunter
Agree, the broadgauge freight rolling stock is just hanging on in there!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Further to that: Qube aren't going to have much choice in the matter with the amount of broad gauge work they have in the pipeline:
  • Ultima Intermodal
  • The impending return of the Deniliquin Rice, and possibly more intermodal work out of Tocumwal.
  • Increased traffic to Maryvale with the upcoming waste transportation
  • Extension of the Dandenong Cement service to North Geelong
  • QUBE's takeover of the Long Island Steel service from 2022



I don't know how much longer they can rely on 67 year old B class locos and 56 year old T class locos to provide their service.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

A slight complication - Apparently 2 of the 4 roads in the Bendigo Freight Yard will be out of action while the new biowash is built.  Work commencing very soon...
Carnot
Still be two long roads available in Bendigo Yard at all times to cross bg trains from Inglewood, Swan Hill or Deniliquin lines.
As stated on radio interview extra trains off Inglewood leg would operate primarily late evenings or overnight anyway with no impact on mainline passenger services.  Information with latest Media Release on RF website says initial analysis by RFI shows that a bg operation off the Sea Lake and Manangatang lines running in a clockwise direction with loaded grain trains running South via Bendigo, and returning empty North via Maryborough would work most efficiently as you would have no bg grain  crosses between Geelong and Inglewood. A second benefit is that with all the Up loaded trains running via Bendigo that frees up paths between Dunolly and Maryborough so extra sg grainies can run off both the Murrayville and Mildura lines.  The supporting information also highlights the dreadful shortcomings of a 169km bg single line section from Korong Vale to Warrenheip Loop, and a 3 hour single line section on sg from Maryborough to Maroona.  Talk about a standardized MB network with the same capacity as the former bg network it replaced.  Now in the half converted state we have the worst of both worlds.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
Gman_86
To buy or convert anything for/to BG is simply crazy for anything beyond work in the Melbourne Metrop.
You have to have spare SG rolling stock to convert.
Far easier to source and retain on SG existing SG rolling stock.
Conversion SG to BG may well need new bogie frames in addition to BG wheelsets. Technically conversion SG to BG may be 'relatively simple' but very expensive. To go down this path in anything other than the simplest way would be crazy ie dual seat axles and BG bogie frames.
No way could one justify the purchase of new BG locos or rolling stock.
PN who have/had BG rolling stock to spare or surplus SG rolling stock to convert have either destroyed it or would not part with it to a competitor even if they did not want the traffic themselves.
Yet another failure of the privatisation process.
Far better to get on and convert the track to SG (properly - haha).
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Would it be easier/cheaper for PN to abandon the  BG completely and leave DangerDan's gauge to anyone who wants it?
It would save a lot of faffing around.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Would it be easier/cheaper for PN to abandon the  BG completely and leave DangerDan's gauge to anyone who wants it?
It would save a lot of faffing around.
Donald
They haven't lost the Bubble and Tocumwal intermodal yet... Then there is their irregular grain services. They Clearly think there is still money in it.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
To buy or convert anything for/to BG is simply crazy for anything beyond work in the Melbourne Metrop.
You have to have spare SG rolling stock to convert.
Far easier to source and retain on SG existing SG rolling stock.
Conversion SG to BG may well need new bogie frames in addition to BG wheelsets. Technically conversion SG to BG may be 'relatively simple' but very expensive. To go down this path in anything other than the simplest way would be crazy ie dual seat axles and BG bogie frames.
No way could one justify the purchase of new BG locos or rolling stock.
PN who have/had BG rolling stock to spare or surplus SG rolling stock to convert have either destroyed it or would not part with it to a competitor even if they did not want the traffic themselves.
Yet another failure of the privatisation process.
Far better to get on and convert the track to SG (properly - haha).
YM-Mundrabilla
IIRC Onerail still has their broad gauge alcos (minus one now) Still sitting at dry creek. Stuffs around, just needs someone to go after it. Other BG compatible stock thats around and unwanted/stored that I can think of is Aurizon's X54 that came up for sale a little while ago and the 2 GM's on VR Bogies.

SSR Not to long ago you may remember rebuilt B75 from a Shell! There seems to be demand still.

Oh, and for the CFCLA B class, they now have De-Reved newer EMD 645 Donks in them. If it ain't broke, don't fix as they say

http://www.cfcla.com.au/datasheet/B_Datasheet.pdf
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

VL356 & VL360 are on BG.

One of the objectives of the MBRP is (was), with the exception of Murrayville (Portland is outside the scope), 21 Tonne Axle Load and 80 km/h.


EDIT: From VicSig (Photos taken Friday 3rd July)

https://vicsig.net/photos/latestphotos
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
Gman_86
The work isnt there to justify new fleet purchase.  Just enough to keep the old stuff going.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
To buy or convert anything for/to BG is simply crazy for anything beyond work in the Melbourne Metrop.
You have to have spare SG rolling stock to convert.
Far easier to source and retain on SG existing SG rolling stock.
Conversion SG to BG may well need new bogie frames in addition to BG wheelsets. Technically conversion SG to BG may be 'relatively simple' but very expensive. To go down this path in anything other than the simplest way would be crazy ie dual seat axles and BG bogie frames.
No way could one justify the purchase of new BG locos or rolling stock.
PN who have/had BG rolling stock to spare or surplus SG rolling stock to convert have either destroyed it or would not part with it to a competitor even if they did not want the traffic themselves.
Yet another failure of the privatisation process.
Far better to get on and convert the track to SG (properly - haha).
IIRC Onerail still has their broad gauge alcos (minus one now) Still sitting at dry creek. Stuffs around, just needs someone to go after it. Other BG compatible stock thats around and unwanted/stored that I can think of is Aurizon's X54 that came up for sale a little while ago and the 2 GM's on VR Bogies.

SSR Not to long ago you may remember rebuilt B75 from a Shell! There seems to be demand still.

Oh, and for the CFCLA B class, they now have De-Reved newer EMD 645 Donks in them. If it ain't broke, don't fix as they say

http://www.cfcla.com.au/datasheet/B_Datasheet.pdf
Dangersdan707
Locos maybe one thing, rolling stock is quite another. It may well be the stage is near where it is no longer economically feasible to get/keep the old mobile graffiti billboard rust buckets in traffic. While there may be some willing to spend on old locos (with the option to put them on SG), maybe not so much for wagons.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
To buy or convert anything for/to BG is simply crazy for anything beyond work in the Melbourne Metrop.
You have to have spare SG rolling stock to convert.
Far easier to source and retain on SG existing SG rolling stock.
Conversion SG to BG may well need new bogie frames in addition to BG wheelsets. Technically conversion SG to BG may be 'relatively simple' but very expensive. To go down this path in anything other than the simplest way would be crazy ie dual seat axles and BG bogie frames.
No way could one justify the purchase of new BG locos or rolling stock.
PN who have/had BG rolling stock to spare or surplus SG rolling stock to convert have either destroyed it or would not part with it to a competitor even if they did not want the traffic themselves.
Yet another failure of the privatisation process.
Far better to get on and convert the track to SG (properly - haha).
IIRC Onerail still has their broad gauge alcos (minus one now) Still sitting at dry creek. Stuffs around, just needs someone to go after it. Other BG compatible stock thats around and unwanted/stored that I can think of is Aurizon's X54 that came up for sale a little while ago and the 2 GM's on VR Bogies.

SSR Not to long ago you may remember rebuilt B75 from a Shell! There seems to be demand still.

Oh, and for the CFCLA B class, they now have De-Reved newer EMD 645 Donks in them. If it ain't broke, don't fix as they say

http://www.cfcla.com.au/datasheet/B_Datasheet.pdf
Locos maybe one thing, rolling stock is quite another. It may well be the stage is near where it is no longer economically feasible to get/keep the old mobile graffiti billboard rust buckets in traffic. While there may be some willing to spend on old locos (with the option to put them on SG), maybe not so much for wagons.
Lockspike
Qube use stuff thats less than 20 years old and has had bogies pinched from elsewhere, asides from the SQEF's which were delivered as BG since no one really has decent condition low profile BG wheelsets to begin with.


If Qube could get more BG bogie frames there would be a significant increase in VL's on BG.
  brownhillboy Train Controller

Further to that: Qube aren't going to have much choice in the matter with the amount of broad gauge work they have in the pipeline:
  • Ultima Intermodal
  • The impending return of the Deniliquin Rice, and possibly more intermodal work out of Tocumwal.
  • Increased traffic to Maryvale with the upcoming waste transportation
  • Extension of the Dandenong Cement service to North Geelong
  • QUBE's takeover of the Long Island Steel service from 2022



I don't know how much longer they can rely on 67 year old B class locos and 56 year old T class locos to provide their service.
Gman_86
There could also be some good tonnages of mineral sand, copper and zinc from East Gippsland, once the Avon River bridge is completed.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
To buy or convert anything for/to BG is simply crazy for anything beyond work in the Melbourne Metrop.
You have to have spare SG rolling stock to convert.
Far easier to source and retain on SG existing SG rolling stock.
Conversion SG to BG may well need new bogie frames in addition to BG wheelsets. Technically conversion SG to BG may be 'relatively simple' but very expensive. To go down this path in anything other than the simplest way would be crazy ie dual seat axles and BG bogie frames.
No way could one justify the purchase of new BG locos or rolling stock.
PN who have/had BG rolling stock to spare or surplus SG rolling stock to convert have either destroyed it or would not part with it to a competitor even if they did not want the traffic themselves.
Yet another failure of the privatisation process.
Far better to get on and convert the track to SG (properly - haha).
IIRC Onerail still has their broad gauge alcos (minus one now) Still sitting at dry creek. Stuffs around, just needs someone to go after it. Other BG compatible stock thats around and unwanted/stored that I can think of is Aurizon's X54 that came up for sale a little while ago and the 2 GM's on VR Bogies.

SSR Not to long ago you may remember rebuilt B75 from a Shell! There seems to be demand still.

Oh, and for the CFCLA B class, they now have De-Reved newer EMD 645 Donks in them. If it ain't broke, don't fix as they say

http://www.cfcla.com.au/datasheet/B_Datasheet.pdf
Locos maybe one thing, rolling stock is quite another. It may well be the stage is near where it is no longer economically feasible to get/keep the old mobile graffiti billboard rust buckets in traffic. While there may be some willing to spend on old locos (with the option to put them on SG), maybe not so much for wagons.
Qube use stuff thats less than 20 years old and has had bogies pinched from elsewhere, asides from the SQEF's which were delivered as BG since no one really has decent condition low profile BG wheelsets to begin with.


If Qube could get more BG bogie frames there would be a significant increase in VL's on BG.
speedemon08
I was under the impression that the VLs were delivered with bogies frames that could be used on either Gauge? Correct or incorrect?
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

This really does bring into light the critical need to convert regional Victoria to SG ASAP before the few existing but already "past their use by date" BG locos and rolling stock become scrap metal.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
If the work is there, what is stopping the operators procuring new(er) wagons or gauge converting newer locomotives? Does the obscurity of the broad gauge truly increase the cost that much?
To buy or convert anything for/to BG is simply crazy for anything beyond work in the Melbourne Metrop.
You have to have spare SG rolling stock to convert.
Far easier to source and retain on SG existing SG rolling stock.
Conversion SG to BG may well need new bogie frames in addition to BG wheelsets. Technically conversion SG to BG may be 'relatively simple' but very expensive. To go down this path in anything other than the simplest way would be crazy ie dual seat axles and BG bogie frames.
No way could one justify the purchase of new BG locos or rolling stock.
PN who have/had BG rolling stock to spare or surplus SG rolling stock to convert have either destroyed it or would not part with it to a competitor even if they did not want the traffic themselves.
Yet another failure of the privatisation process.
Far better to get on and convert the track to SG (properly - haha).
IIRC Onerail still has their broad gauge alcos (minus one now) Still sitting at dry creek. Stuffs around, just needs someone to go after it. Other BG compatible stock thats around and unwanted/stored that I can think of is Aurizon's X54 that came up for sale a little while ago and the 2 GM's on VR Bogies.

SSR Not to long ago you may remember rebuilt B75 from a Shell! There seems to be demand still.

Oh, and for the CFCLA B class, they now have De-Reved newer EMD 645 Donks in them. If it ain't broke, don't fix as they say

http://www.cfcla.com.au/datasheet/B_Datasheet.pdf
Locos maybe one thing, rolling stock is quite another. It may well be the stage is near where it is no longer economically feasible to get/keep the old mobile graffiti billboard rust buckets in traffic. While there may be some willing to spend on old locos (with the option to put them on SG), maybe not so much for wagons.
Qube use stuff thats less than 20 years old and has had bogies pinched from elsewhere, asides from the SQEF's which were delivered as BG since no one really has decent condition low profile BG wheelsets to begin with.


If Qube could get more BG bogie frames there would be a significant increase in VL's on BG.
I was under the impression that the VLs were delivered with bogies frames that could be used on either Gauge? Correct or incorrect?
Dangersdan707
Incorrect.

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