Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
and to get back on the topic of Airport Rail.

There is nothing to report. page 44 achieved.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
An interesting and somewhat relevant speech from Damien Drum who to my mind has correctly identified the project is a sham (as many of us on here have already stated) in terms of the cost.  



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddl6Qu3CjPY

The tunnel option is mandatory but so is a connection to broadmeadows for North East BG services and SG platform at Sunshine.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
An interesting and somewhat relevant speech from Damien Drum who to my mind has correctly identified the project is a sham (as many of us on here have already stated) in terms of

The tunnel option is mandatory but so is a connection to broadmeadows for North East BG services and SG platform at Sunshine.
"bevans"
couldn't last 2 whole weeks. Ah well.....
Yep, connect to Airport to Broady. That's  = SRL.
Broady is also the BG & SG connection to the NE line, but if you need to be greedy another(SG) platform at Sunshine wouldn't hurt.

Neither of those has anything to do with a tunnel SUN to SCS. That's just a wet dream that will do nothing for Mr Drum's constituency, so why does he & @bevans keep bringing it up.

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Neither of those has anything to do with a tunnel SUN to SCS. That's just a wet dream that will do nothing for Mr Drum's constituency, so why does he & @bevans keep bringing it up.
justarider

John I cannot see how not having a tunnel will make the train trip from Melbourne to the airport delay free.
  CraigieburnLineUser Station Master

An interesting and somewhat relevant speech from Damien Drum who to my mind has correctly identified the project is a sham (as many of us on here have already stated) in terms of the cost.  



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddl6Qu3CjPY

The tunnel option is mandatory but so is a connection to broadmeadows for North East BG services and SG platform at Sunshine.
bevans
Definitely agreed on the connection to Broadmeadows but the tunnel to the city from Sunshine still doesn't stack up for the money and signing a PPP still makes no sense. The Airport Link should be zone 2 with all revenue going through Myki and PTV. As @justarider mentioned on the 21st of May (page 81 and I've posted the link below) there's no point building the tunnel for 4-6 trains per hour and the High Capacities will mean that capacity of trains through MM1 won't be an issue. V/Line are currently looking into 9 car running on RRL so that will give some short term relief until quadding and electrification to Wyndham on RRL. After that they will also get a massive boost from the HCMTs.

As for the North East Line. For BG the connection at Broadmeadows will be more then sufficient. If they are diverted via Upfield (via Somerton) then services should be altered to stop at Craigieburn and interchange at Broady. For SG NE services they already stop at Broady in normal times (aka when the border is open and Broady isn't locked down due to COVID) so it's a non-starter, just a change of platform to the Airport. Passenger's interchanging once or twice is so much cheaper then ordering a bespoke tunnel for a small amount of diverted trains.



Justarider's figures: https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2177987.htm#2177987
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker

Neither of those has anything to do with a tunnel SUN to SCS. That's just a wet dream that will do nothing for Mr Drum's constituency, so why does he & @bevans keep bringing it up.
justarider

John I cannot see how not having a tunnel will make the train trip from Melbourne to the airport delay free.
"bevans"

The tunnel only delivers "delay free" if you believe that the ultimate destination is SCS. And you express Airport/Sunshine/Southern Cross

I've stated numerous times how SCS is not the destination of choice. You go there, to get somewhere else.
Instead, go almost anywhere else in CBD or the suburbs, which is much better served by MM1 and it's multiple destinations and connect points.

The only "delay" are the 3 stations between Sunshine and Footscray - IF an express cannot be achieved. 3rd track at West Foot will help sort that.
50/50 whether to express Footscray also.
None of this is a big time difference. Been on a plane for hours and quibble about 5min ?..

PS thanks Craigie, my rants sometimes get noticed.

cheers
John
  CraigieburnLineUser Station Master


Neither of those has anything to do with a tunnel SUN to SCS. That's just a wet dream that will do nothing for Mr Drum's constituency, so why does he & @bevans keep bringing it up.
John I cannot see how not having a tunnel will make the train trip from Melbourne to the airport delay free.
The tunnel only delivers "delay free" if you believe that the ultimate destination is SCS. And you express Airport/Sunshine/Southern Cross

I've stated numerous times how SCS is not the destination of choice. You go there, to get somewhere else.
Instead, go almost anywhere else in CBD or the suburbs, which is much better served by MM1 and it's multiple destinations and connect points.

The only "delay" are the 3 stations between Sunshine and Footscray - IF an express cannot be achieved. 3rd track at West Foot will help sort that.
50/50 whether to express Footscray also.
None of this is a big time difference. Been on a plane for hours and quibble about 5min ?..

PS thanks Craigie, my rants sometimes get noticed.

cheers
John
justarider
Agreed on SCS not being great, half the time the Northern Loop has to go all the way around or change at North Melbourne or Flagstaff. Much better going through MM1 as either way it's shorter.

PS thanks Craigie, my rants sometimes get noticed.
justarider
All good man, it was a really good explanation for me on why Sunbury wasn't really getting a massive increase in service out of MM1
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Personal opinion - the project will go on the back-burner if airline tourism and travel doesn't recover in a hurry.  That will be very dependent on a successful vaccine for the current pestilence.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Personal opinion - the project will go on the back-burner if airline tourism and travel doesn't recover in a hurry.  That will be very dependent on a successful vaccine for the current pestilence.
Carnot

Now would be the best time to do the project or should we divert funds into higher speed networks between the capitals?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Personal opinion - the project will go on the back-burner if airline tourism and travel doesn't recover in a hurry.  That will be very dependent on a successful vaccine for the current pestilence.

Now would be the best time to do the project or should we divert funds into higher speed networks between the capitals?
bevans
If we are going to be doing more domestic tourism and consuming more stuff from home, the interstate is perhaps a place where the previous demand curves have changed for the better and so it may be that more benefit can be derived from it.  

Not HSR tho, MSR...  but that is a whole other thread im not going into.

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