Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The Politicians may love it, but you can bet that apart from a 'photo opportunity' none of then would use it when they needed to go to the Airport, be it for a 'business trip (aka junket)' or a holiday.

Don't necessarily believe everything you think...

Minister Allan was on ABC radio this afternoon describing her use of the Sydney Airport line...

Mike.
The Vinelander
Just on the Sydney Airport line....

When it was opened in 2000 I was sceptical (the Government operated buses which were cheap and frequent), and apart from the Surcharge that results in the present Adult fare of $18.50 for the 2 Airport stations it works well as it feeds straight into the City Circle and has integrated well with the East Hills line (and the Illawarra Line via a change at Wolli Creek). For a day tripper, or someone with light luggage, it sure beats the $40 - $50 Taxi Fare into the CBD and even if you have to stand its only for 10-15 minutes which is faster than by road.

But if you are lugging a 25kg suitcase its not so good, as you are then restricted to the vestibule ends of the double deck carriages, and the lifts at Central (no escalators to the Airport platforms at Central) and the other CBD stations to get you to platform level are small and you may find quite a lineup waiting - avoid the peak hours at all costs.

There is an active freight line (to Cooks River and Port Botany) on the north side of Sydney airport, but coming in via that would have needed a lot of work at Sydenham, not to mention a fork to get to the two terminals - and would have resulted in a dead end line rather than the through line it has. No trains terminate at the Airport, all are normal suburban sets that travel beyond as far as Macarthur.

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  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Running via albion-jacana was the "preferred" option but with 10 billion on the table I would expect the direct tunnel option.  But even running via the albion-jacana line won't deliver a direct connection to the airport.

With the metro tunnel taking away roughly 1/3 of trains off the craigieburn line, the flemington route option also seems pretty good.
tazzer96
The point is that $10 Billion is a scandalous waste of money for an airport link. Screw the Flemington Link. Too expensive and the geology is challenging to say the least. What do you mean the Jacana - Albion link will not provide a direct link. By using that link the regional centres can also be served. The Melbourne Airport service should not be a dedicated link.

Michael
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Running via albion-jacana was the "preferred" option but with 10 billion on the table I would expect the direct tunnel option.  But even running via the albion-jacana line won't deliver a direct connection to the airport.

With the metro tunnel taking away roughly 1/3 of trains off the craigieburn line, the flemington route option also seems pretty good.
The point is that $10 Billion is a scandalous waste of money for an airport link. Screw the Flemington Link. Too expensive and the geology is challenging to say the least. What do you mean the Jacana - Albion link will not provide a direct link. By using that link the regional centres can also be served. The Melbourne Airport service should not be a dedicated link.

Michael
mejhammers1

It seems speculation in these pages about the new line traversing the former Maribyrnong Munitions land are part of the Federal governments thinking...

Less convenient Michael I agree...however couldn't the Shepparton and Bendigo lines still use the proposed megatunnel the Feds seem to be advocating for Question

I agree though, the Sunshine route would be a better fit for ALL V/Line services at Sunshine, however that will mean an extra 2 tracks from Albion to the METRO rail link from South Kensington.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
How are the seymour/shepparton lines going to have a direct connection?  This doesn't make much sense to me
tazzer96
Going off the Rail Futures report, using a new rail link from the Northern side of the airport (Oaklands Junction) running along the proposed Outer Ring Transport Corridor to join the North East line at Beveridge, Wallan would become the major passenger Interchange station for the area.

Standard gauge passenger services from Sydney, Albury, Wangaratta, Shepparton, could also be threaded through this route all the way to Southern Cross Station avoiding the congested speed restricted goods lines.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Perhaps that is a less oft-discussed, superior solution: new SG track pair (tunnel or no) from SCS to Wallan via Airport. Airport link done, BG Metro services unaffected, RRL tracks unaffected, and capacity constraints complicating Shepp/Seymour conversion solved, all for a relatively minimal cost.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Premier Dan on John Faine's ABC program this morning strongly advocating the airport railway route via Sunshine so...in his words it will connect with V/Line's regional fast trains and the yet to be implemented electrified network.

Mike.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Premier Dan on John Faine's ABC program this morning strongly advocating the airport railway route via Sunshine so...in his words it will connect with V/Line's regional fast trains and the yet to be implemented electrified network.

Mike.
The Vinelander
A regional electrified network? Was that just implied or explicitly stated? With all these V/Lo's, need somewhere to put them if they start stringing up wires.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
So, according to their Website: https://www.skybus.com.au/melbourne-city-express/timetable

Skybus operates every 10 mins during daytime between Southern Cross and the Airport, so 6 per hour at about 50 seats = 300 passengers an hour in each direction. Plenty of spare seats on a 6 Car Metro train.

Where are all the passengers going to materialise from to justify a train from Southern Cross with a similar frequency?
mikesyd
Many of them would materialise from the long and short term car parks and off-airport parking.  And arrivals into the airport would possibly be more inclined to use a train if it were available.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The cost of a dedicated Melbourne Airport line is becoming stratospheric. If you borrowed $10B to build the line, at 4% pa, it would require $400M pa in revenue just to service the loan. If 10% of Melbourne Airport’s projected (in 2033) 60M passengers pa used the service, the cost per trip would be $66 ($400M / 6M). Currently Melbourne Airport handles 35M passengers pa which would give a cost of $114 per trip (400M / 3.5M, more than the cost of a flight to Sydney). The preceding doesn’t include the cost of operating the service. You can massage the figures as much as you like but the revenue from a $4.30 Zone 1+2 2-Hour Full-Fare (don’t mention concessions) won’t cut it.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
What would the true cost of the Tullamarine freeway expansion be?  over $1b was invested and we have to also take into account the cost of congestion, road maintenance, borrowing costs and environmental costs.  Would this exceed $66 per trip?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
We're told it's going to be five years before anything starts. By that time I confidently anticipate that this thread will consist of 200000000000 pages.
If I'm still around, I'll believe an airport line when I see work being done on it and not before.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
We're told it's going to be five years before anything starts. By that time I confidently anticipate that this thread will consist of 200000000000 pages.
If I'm still around, I'll believe an airport line when I see work being done on it and not before.
Valvegear
I don't know about that yardstick Valvegear, didn't they start work on the Doncaster Rail line back in the 80s?

BG
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I don't know about that yardstick Valvegear, didn't they start work on the Doncaster Rail line back in the 80s?
"BrentonGolding"
Can't be sure of that BG, but I've been waiting 65 years for the Jolimont yards to be roofed over.
  Otter_H Locomotive Fireman

If the quadding of the Dandenong corridor went ahead airport express trains could begin out east, increasing the catchment and perhaps negating the need for the third airport near Koo Wee Rup.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I don't know about that yardstick Valvegear, didn't they start work on the Doncaster Rail line back in the 80s?
Can't be sure of that BG, but I've been waiting 65 years for the Jolimont yards to be roofed over.
Valvegear
No, we have been waiting longer than that Valvegear. We have been waiting since 20 years prior to Valvegears conception
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The route via albion and sunshine would permit Bendigo and Ballarat services transfers without the requirement to come right into Melbourne.

What platform would be used at sunshine ?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Popular topic the Airport link to Melbourne.


https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11397426.htm

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2099438.htm#2099438


These links are to locked threads. Best to keep one threead.  I would have a look as there may be  something interesting.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
The Rail Futures Institute's AirTrain proposal features a pair of underground platforms at Sunshine. These would be part of a tunnel that provides a high speed (i.e gentle curvature) link between Sunshine/Tottenham and the Albion-Jacana corridor.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The route via albion and sunshine would permit Bendigo and Ballarat services transfers without the requirement to come right into Melbourne.

What platform would be used at sunshine ?
freightgate

If the Albion route is choosen electrification would be the order of the day and I would also hope the service would run via the loop but perhaps not as this is most useful in Sydney.  Not sure what would be planned but V/Line have 2 platforms at Sunshine would those be used?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The Rail Futures Institute's AirTrain proposal features a pair of underground platforms at Sunshine. These would be part of a tunnel that provides a high speed (i.e gentle curvature) link between Sunshine/Tottenham and the Albion-Jacana corridor.
LancedDendrite
I would be good If the Sunshine to Sunshine North section of track could be rebuilt (excluding the Sunbury suburban line) to be expanded to 2 dual gauge goods lines and 2 Northern Regional Rail Link lines (also dual gauge) along with the sharp curve at Albion eased out to at least 120 km/h.

Sunshine North area also needs a major clean up, the land besides the tracks looks like a rubbish tip, not a nice sight coming Into Melbourne !
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Yesterday morning, Daniel Andrews was on Triple M radio and was asked about the possible route options. He said that planning for an Airport rail link had been underway for some time (well duh), and that this was being undertaken by the Co-ordinator General (who is ovrer-seeing both the Metro and the LXRA, along with all of the other projects these bodies are responisble for).

He also went on to say that for it to work best it needs to be built along with further electrifing the West of Melbourne and also unlocking the capacity to introduce next generation fast rail to Ballarat and Geelong, 230 - 240km/h

He continued by saying that this would mean The Sunshine Route is the preffered option.

He also spoke of completely new track thorughout for the entire line.

So if those programs are to be included along with the Airport line, that would explain the high price tag.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
He continued by saying that this would mean The Sunshine Route is the preferred option.
Gman_86
The Sunshine route would easily be preferred due to the availability of surplus / underutilized railway land between West Footscray and Sunshine along with Albion and Keilor Park / Airport West.

Minimizing the amount of expensive tunneling
Developing Sunshine Station as a major passenger Interchange (Footscray probably the same)

Having a direct tunnel from say Footscray to Tullamarine may look good on a map, but there would probably be a push the add many stations along the way (to add vale to the route) but this would push out journey times, where Southern Cross - Footscray - Sunshine - Tullamarine Airport could have some sprited running between stations.

Southern Cross Station would probably need expansion with extra platform faces.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Given those forecast speeds, it sounds like at least Geelong electrification could happen within 10 years.

They would be mad to terminate airport line at Tullamarine too.  At least Bendigo Vline trains should go via airport and out to Clarkefield to free up capacity on Sunbury line.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Given those forecast speeds, it sounds like at least Geelong electrification could happen within 10 years.

They would be mad to terminate airport line at Tullamarine too.  At least Bendigo Vline trains should go via airport and out to Clarkefield to free up capacity on Sunbury line.
Carnot
If they were to build a direct high speed line between Melbourne and Geelong (35 minute journey time) with a new Regional Rail Link passing through Werribee - Laverton - Newport - Fisherman's Bend and Into (or under) Southern Cross, this could continue onto Bendigo / Seymour via Tullamarine Airport (Geelong travelers are calling for a direct service to Tullamarine Airport, this could be about a 1 hour journey)
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Given those forecast speeds, it sounds like at least Geelong electrification could happen within 10 years.

They would be mad to terminate airport line at Tullamarine too.  At least Bendigo Vline trains should go via airport and out to Clarkefield to free up capacity on Sunbury line.
If they were to build a direct high speed line between Melbourne and Geelong (35 minute journey time) with a new Regional Rail Link passing through Werribee - Laverton - Newport - Fisherman's Bend and Into (or under) Southern Cross, this could continue onto Bendigo / Seymour via Tullamarine Airport (Geelong travelers are calling for a direct service to Tullamarine Airport, this could be about a 1 hour journey)
Nightfire
To me this makes the most sense.

Geelong and Traralgon trains run through from the southern end of Southern Cross, and through-route to Ballarat/Bendigo/Airport/Seymour services to the north of Southern Cross. Probably requires 4 tracks between Southern Cross and Sunshine (terminating platforms at Southern Cross and Melbourne Airport.

If you said that a track pair has 24tph capacity in the inner core, you have

Geelong up to 6-12tph
Traralgon 1-2tph
Warragul 3-6tph

Running through to

Ballarat 3-6tph
Bendigo 3-6tph
Airport 10-12tph
Seymour 1-2tph

Would be run like the RER, drivers can change mid run between Southern and Sunshine if need be.

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