V/Line Incidents/Disruptions #2

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

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  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The cynic in me wonders whether this will provide a convenient excuse to get rid of the gates and install booms.
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6775614/one-man-injured-as-late-night-train-crashes-through-lydiard-street-gates/?cs=12
The train would of been just leaving the station..

It was pretty windy and messy last night..
  grime Locomotive Fireman
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6775614/one-man-injured-as-late-night-train-crashes-through-lydiard-street-gates/?cs=12
The train would of been just leaving the station..

It was pretty windy and messy last night..
https://www.3ba.com.au/news/local-news/98906-two-injured-after-train-hits-crossing-gates-in-ballarat
grime
The 3BA report says the train failed to stop at Ballarat.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The 3BA report says the train failed to stop at Ballarat.
"duttonbay"
Please, let's now wait patiently for the official verdict about what caused the accident.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
The 3BA report says the train failed to stop at Ballarat.
Please, let's now wait patiently for the official verdict about what caused the accident.
Valvegear
Is the ATSB looking at this one, or is V/Line doing it internally? couldn't see anything on the ATSB website for it. they are usually pretty quick at getting new incidents online
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

In a statement provided to Radio Ballarat, V/Line has confirmed trains are running on Sunday through the area with traffic management in place.

Lydiard St crossing is closed. The gates remain closed on the Up side, but water barriers have been placed across the road on the Dn side. Apparently that is V/Line's interpretation of 'traffic management'. I wonder how long the community will tolerate the closure?
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

The rumour mill at work suggests 97km/h through the station. I'm uncertain whether an issue with the equipment or operator. I expect ATSB will be given this one. Apparently not the first issue with V'locity braking lately.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The rumour mill at work suggests 97km/h through the station. I'm uncertain whether an issue with the equipment or operator. I expect ATSB will be given this one. Apparently not the first issue with V'locity braking lately.
hbedriver
Yep, V/los are slippery beasts.  And not the first time there have been braking issues (there was one at Epsom not long ago).
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

In a statement provided to Radio Ballarat, V/Line has confirmed trains are running on Sunday through the area with traffic management in place.

Lydiard St crossing is closed. The gates remain closed on the Up side, but water barriers have been placed across the road on the Dn side. Apparently that is V/Line's interpretation of 'traffic management'. I wonder how long the community will tolerate the closure?
Lockspike
Armstrong St bridge is about 150m away, so the detour is not particularly significant.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
In a statement provided to Radio Ballarat, V/Line has confirmed trains are running on Sunday through the area with traffic management in place.

Lydiard St crossing is closed. The gates remain closed on the Up side, but water barriers have been placed across the road on the Dn side. Apparently that is V/Line's interpretation of 'traffic management'. I wonder how long the community will tolerate the closure?
Lockspike
Armstrong St bridge is about 150m away, so the detour is not particularly significant.
"duttonbay"


Plenty of motorists see the gates closing and make a dash down Doveton Crescent or Ararat St to go over the Armstrong St Level Crossing, so no real difference for anyone.

I am assuming the pedestrian crossing is still open?
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

In a statement provided to Radio Ballarat, V/Line has confirmed trains are running on Sunday through the area with traffic management in place.

Lydiard St crossing is closed. The gates remain closed on the Up side, but water barriers have been placed across the road on the Dn side. Apparently that is V/Line's interpretation of 'traffic management'. I wonder how long the community will tolerate the closure?
Armstrong St bridge is about 150m away, so the detour is not particularly significant.
duttonbay
If that was sufficient, Lydiard St LXing would have closed years a go
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
In a statement provided to Radio Ballarat, V/Line has confirmed trains are running on Sunday through the area with traffic management in place.

Lydiard St crossing is closed. The gates remain closed on the Up side, but water barriers have been placed across the road on the Dn side. Apparently that is V/Line's interpretation of 'traffic management'. I wonder how long the community will tolerate the closure?
Armstrong St bridge is about 150m away, so the detour is not particularly significant.
If that was sufficient, Lydiard St LXing would have closed years a go
Lockspike
Status Quo is a lot easier to maintain than changing things up
  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere out on the track......anywhere around the country
At this point in time the cause is pointing towards brake failure but eventually we will find out the sequence of events leading up to it, a friend of mine sent me a pic of a piece of wood from the gates that had speared quite high up into a sold part of the Signal Box, if you could imagine an arrow shot into a tree you would get the picture and with the rest of the damage, 97 kmh through the station as hbedriver has mentioned would not be surprising.
But what makes me wonder is how in the hell did it manage to stay on the rails crossing over the 40 kmh turnout near the Peel St bridge ?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

An N class + N set traversed the 40 km/h turnout into the Wallan loop at exactly the same speed and stayed on, although receiving some passenger complaint about discomfort.
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Something still does not seem right.

I don't think I have ever been on a Velocity train which is doing over 30/40km once is goes past the Humfray St crossing.

They usually slow down as they have to cross over a few tracks. Also its pretty much flat ground.

So did the train lose breaking farther down near Victoria Street ?

If so doing 100 between Humfray St and the station could of been really really bad
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Something still does not seem right.

I don't think I have ever been on a Velocity train which is doing over 30/40km once is goes past the Humfray St crossing.

They usually slow down as they have to cross over a few tracks. Also its pretty much flat ground.

So did the train lose breaking farther down near Victoria Street ?

If so doing 100 between Humfray St and the station could of been really really bad
whoistheg
The investigation will show what they exact cause was, but the quoted article does mention a failed transmission and oil on the tracks. Given the V/Locity trains are diesel/hydraulic service brakes i doubt are used until the train speed gets quite slow under normal conditions, and in an emergency, a train on oiled up tracks is going to have near zero effective breaking. With it being mostly down hill from Warrenheip it's going to take a while for a train traveling at 160 to come to a stop. Yes, they are dam lucky they didn't derail. even more lucky there wasn't traffic at the road crossing.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Coaches replacing Shepparton trains for the entire journey this weekend "due to maintenance works in the metropolitan area", but Seymour trains are running normally.  This doesn't make sense to me.  If the connection to Upfield line was available it might be because Sprinters can divert via Upfield while N class locomotives can't.  This is obviously not the case.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
At the risk of sounding stupid, why can't N classes go via Upfield?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

20 years ago I sent a suggestion to DOI that Upfield line be used as an alternative route for V/Line trains and got such a response stating so.  Or perhaps it was an excuse.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Coaches replacing Shepparton trains for the entire journey this weekend "due to maintenance works in the metropolitan area", but Seymour trains are running normally.  This doesn't make sense to me.  If the connection to Upfield line was available it might be because Sprinters can divert via Upfield while N class locomotives can't.  This is obviously not the case.
route14
Upfield line would not have been an option this weekend. Level crossing removal in progress has a section of the track removed between and including bell st and moreland rd for 6 months. https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/disruptions/upfield-line-buses-replace-trains-july

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