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Yes 1 hose is used to fuel as Jack explained there is 2 but each hose services 2 roads. Yeah the 1657 last night was cancelled due to no fuel units are shuffled daily due to fuel requirments. a top up doesnt really occur if it goes in the fuel point it is filled completly vast majority you mean less than half units stabled at some locations? where the other units sit idle for 8hrs get prepped run to melb then shunt out to fuel? some weekend days have up to 20 fuels a day rostered(emergency) considering the allocated time is 90 mins per 3 car unit that can only be fuelled in 4 car things are going to get shuffled and cancelled. I believe outstation fuelling should be expanded so all units stabled there are fuelled each night with the potential to look at day fuelling between services fuel times allowing it is something they should be looking at utilising considering it can take up to 1 hr during peak times trying to shunt a vlo to the fuel point it makes perfect sense too expand outstation fuelling and returning scs fuel point to a true emergency fuel point.A couple of things here, yes I was being a bit facetious, there are two pumps but each with one hose, they way you wrote your post implied that there was only one hose in total.
In Victoria? You would have to be kidding right? I'm surprised they are allowed to be fueled at all - bloody dangerous stuff that Dee-sal!You can't obviously take passengers in there
Please don't suggest it to anyone who might listen!
I am led to believe the EPA have licensed the Car Sidings fuelling for emergency use only. The facilities are primitive and hardly likely to win permanent approval without some work.
Since when has the fuel point at the car sidings at SCS ever been referred to as an emergency fuel point? Do the vehicles stabled overnight at SCS and surrounding sidings never require fuel? Must all vehicles only ever be filled at regional locations?
Interesting way of doing it. The reason most replacement coaches run via Footscray ex Southern Cross is that V/Line are not meant to tell pax to board a Metro service without somehow having to compensate Metro (at least this is what I've heard, the idea of V/Line having to pay compensation when passengers are paying the fare anyway seems a ridiculous idea to me).In Victoria? You would have to be kidding right? I'm surprised they are allowed to be fueled at all - bloody dangerous stuff that Dee-sal!You can't obviously take passengers in there
Please don't suggest it to anyone who might listen!
But I digress.......
Today's V/Line email is interesting - "16.25 Southern Cross - Epsom train will not run. Customers are asked to board the 16.25 Ex SCS Metro service to Sunbury to meet with road coaches"
Not one that I've seen before but I'm going to take a glass half full approach here - getting the Metro service buys V/Line 30 minutes to get coaches organised, they are possibly easier to get at SBY, quicker to get to the passengers than peak hour Melbourne and quicker for Pax to get home.
Obviously the Spark service would be a bit crowded but good on V/Line for being creative.
BG
Nowadays Loco Control advises crews when to fuel up, this apparently saves a lot of money over a 12 month period,You do the kilometres; you burn the fuel. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference how often you top up the tank. The only way to save money is to watch the price cycle and go for it when it's at it's low point.
https://www.midlandexpress.com.au/tracks-death-trap/Great, another (factually incorrect) scare campaign from a bunch of whingers.
This is why we can’t have nice (time-saving, reliability-improving, service-bettering) things.
Interesting info, I would love to know, where these people are going, that they are willing to risk, their lives. Once again, we have too save people from them selves.https://www.midlandexpress.com.au/tracks-death-trap/Great, another (factually incorrect) scare campaign from a bunch of whingers.
This is why we can’t have nice (time-saving, reliability-improving, service-bettering) things.
Get to the station on time for your service, simples. There are signs EVERYWHERE at Kyneton P1 telling people about this change, it is not like they can say they don't know about it.
BG
Hello All,The only way that leaving depots with only part full tanks can save money is that there is less fuel in the tank at the end of the accounting period that has been paid for but not used. Minimal savings I should think hugely outweighed by the costs of multiple delays that occur for each 'out of fuel' incident.
once upon a time locomotives and rail motors were topped up either at the end of a shift or between runs time permitting. Nowadays Loco Control advises crews when to fuel up, this apparently saves a lot of money over a 12 month period, but the down side is that motive power occasionally runs out of fuel at some place in the middle of nowhere, so I often wonder if the no top up approach is really worth the apparent savings if services are badly delayed or cancelled due to an empty fuel tank.
Regards, Radioman.
Well lets start at Explaining how I would go about refuelling during the day as you say...Considering I said POTENTIAL to LOOK at day fuelling I did not state it should be done but looked at but for s#@ts and giggles look at bendigo there is an hour between services certainly plenty of time for a unit to shunt out fuel and redock considering there are fuellers employed it certainly speeds up the process just need to run say the 7:20? down service as a 6 car considering this train is heavily crowded on arrival and has been the subject of media reports of its overcrowding would benifit running as a 6 car train then giving you a spare 3 car set for the days fuelling activities the new works at the station will allow platform 2 too be better utilised can have a fresh dock ex fuel point waiting on 1plat and arrival ex melb into 2 plat ready to shunt out to fuel point even using it with every second service it still works out as a better use of manpower than in melbourne.Yes 1 hose is used to fuel as Jack explained there is 2 but each hose services 2 roads. Yeah the 1657 last night was cancelled due to no fuel units are shuffled daily due to fuel requirments. a top up doesnt really occur if it goes in the fuel point it is filled completly vast majority you mean less than half units stabled at some locations? where the other units sit idle for 8hrs get prepped run to melb then shunt out to fuel? some weekend days have up to 20 fuels a day rostered(emergency) considering the allocated time is 90 mins per 3 car unit that can only be fuelled in 4 car things are going to get shuffled and cancelled. I believe outstation fuelling should be expanded so all units stabled there are fuelled each night with the potential to look at day fuelling between services fuel times allowing it is something they should be looking at utilising considering it can take up to 1 hr during peak times trying to shunt a vlo to the fuel point it makes perfect sense too expand outstation fuelling and returning scs fuel point to a true emergency fuel point.A couple of things here, yes I was being a bit facetious, there are two pumps but each with one hose, they way you wrote your post implied that there was only one hose in total.
A top up to me is when you put in a couple of hundred litres into a 2100l tank. Why wouldn't you fill it up whilst its there?
What percentage of units get fueled at each location each night? I know Gippsland gets all its units filled each night.
Since when has the fuel point at the car sidings at SCS ever been referred to as an emergency fuel point? Do the vehicles stabled overnight at SCS and surrounding sidings never require fuel? Must all vehicles only ever be filled at regional locations?
You didn't actually explain how you would go about expanding refueling a regional locations during the day. Take Geelong for example. How would you get a unit to the fuel point during the day? You can't obviously take passengers in there so would you start terminating services at Geelong? Run empty cars from Sth Geelong or Waurn Ponds taking up valuable paths? Is there a spare unit or two to run the service that the unit to be fueled would have run? Are there currently enough crews available to be tied up doing refueling during the day? How would you do it?
I don't think anyone is in denial that the current setup at SCS (all areas) is far from optimal, but I doubt any infrastructure will be improved whilst rumors persist of a relocation of the yard areas.
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