Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  allan Chief Commissioner

One thing I can't help but notice hasn't been queried is the one-off payment to single parents etc. for power bills (what was it? about $250ish?).

Sure, it helps pay one, maybe two bills at a stretch, but what happens after that?
Greensleeves
That will be after the election...

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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Nuclear is stupid expensive.  We're better off with renewables and batteries/pumped hydro.

The issue with mandating EV's is market distortion and a lack of consideration for vehicles that require range and other special purposes (ie. Agriculture and remote area transport).
No. Germany proved 100% renewables can't be done, they ended up importing heaps of nice, reliable nuclear power from France before they had to admit defeat and re-start their coal plants.

You people are living a Luddite fantasy, it simply can't be done.

Even the economics of electric cars are not there because of our extremely high electricity tariffs - 47 cents an hour average here in South Australia, in the United States the average is around 8 cents. So the economics of electric cars in Australia make them much less competitive simply because everything is so bloody expensive here.
don_dunstan
Germany Power Generation
2009 vs 2017

Fossil fuel 4300kW/person/year ->  3200kW/person/year

Nuclear 1600 -> 870

RE has increased from 17% of total output in 2009 to 38% in 2017

Germany is playing the high moral ground boasting about its extensive roll out of wind and solar with very low return on nameplate capacity due to the latitude and lack of exposure to reliable wind. When it all turns to crap they just draw from the neighbors with coal, hydro and nuclear.

Like all RE, the first 15-25% roll out comes easy, however without large access to hydro or cost effective pumped hydro its starts getting hard (read expensive) from 30-35%, which Germany has discovered.

Nuclear on levelised cost would be economic to build now in Australia (namely NSW, Vic and SA) and make a profit and yes I laughed at the comment we should look at battery over nuclear based on price. Clearly someone is reading fairytales from The Greens.

What is also readily lost in the fairytale land of energy production is that no two countries are the same. What works for Costa Rica doesn't mean it will work in Australia. For example Cost Rica's recent chest beating on running near 100% RE, look what happened the last few times when state govts have tried to build large water catchments. ie Tas Franklin River, Wofeteen (spelling) Dam Qld and Qld Mary River to name a few.  In all cases stopped by ALP/Greens.

There are also other smaller dam projects in between these two projects, some of which have been built that also faced significant community and environmental hurdles that may not have been so successful today or in the future.

The Franklin River Dam would have generated a meager 180MW, to phase out coal and supply the future EV fleet Australia needs 30,000MW of new capacity which will include pumped hydro to make solar and wind more useful.

Then we have the frequent opposition to wind turbines based on environmental factors as well as noise and visual.


I'll say it again, the biggest challenge to rolling out RE on the scale required to replace coal/gas and account for EV roll out is the ALP/Greens, because they have a long proven history of blocking similar projects.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
One thing I can't help but notice hasn't been queried is the one-off payment to single parents etc. for power bills (what was it? about $250ish?).

Sure, it helps pay one, maybe two bills at a stretch, but what happens after that?
That will be after the election...
allan
The question is how much has power bills really gone up against inflation over last 10 years?

Yes its a one off fix, this is to appease the masses while we assume the problem is still being resolved.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Japan is RHD.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Japan is RHD.
kitchgp
and is much smaller than and has vastly different terrain (and thus vehicle requirements) to Australia!
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Even Donald Trump's yankee land is more environmentally aware than us and has better environmental protection legislation in place than we do. Proof is their diesel guzzling locomotives have to be built to a better environmental fuel usage standard than Australia, to the extent that I read in a USA Train magazine at the local library that the locos that are being imported into the iron ore lines in Western Australia has plates stating they can not be used in Trump's country. We are in a bad way if even Trump is more environmentally aware than us.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

BG, we could always reopen Broadmeadow,
Geelong and Elizabeth and put people to work to start making fossil fuelled cars. I don't see it happening though.

If I am in the market for a lawnmower, I will always go for the 4 stroke over the battery powered unit. We live in a big sparsely populated country and it will take much longer for us to let go of our need for fossil fuel powered anything.

EVs do not come without a cost, and to take full advantage of them, people will need solar power on their roof, and expensive battery technology. Nobody has a crystal ball. Technological advancements continue, and it does get cheaper to make things. I look forward to the day I do not have to pay $100 to fill a tank with fossil fuel. But, in the meantime, I am hot prepared to pay 20k to put solar panels up with a battery, and try and find a charging station between Cobar and Broken Hill.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
BG, we could always reopen Broadmeadow,
Geelong and Elizabeth and put people to work to start making fossil fuelled cars. I don't see it happening though.
ANR
Broadmeadow or Broadmeadows? Are we talking Newcastle heavy Rail or the Ford Factory Laughing

It would be nice but unfortunately modern cars are so expensive to engineer that unless you are building a platform for worldwide sales the cost of said car would be astronomical. When you read about the Zeta platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform used in Commodore VE and VF and the limited use it got after GM cancelled models which were to be built on it you wonder where Holden would have gone in terms of design for a next gen Aussie Dunnydore if they had been given the green light.

BTW a mate at Holden's knew and told me more than 2 years out that Holden would cease manufacturing in Aus because there was never any development done on a VF replacement and it takes 2 years or more to design and engineer a new model.

Oh, and didn't Mr Gupta try to buy the Holden factory at Elizabeth to make cars (albeit EVs) and GM told him to shove off?

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

BG, we could always reopen Broadmeadow,
Geelong and Elizabeth and put people to work to start making fossil fuelled cars. I don't see it happening though.
Broadmeadow or Broadmeadows? Are we talking Newcastle heavy Rail or the Ford Factory Laughing

It would be nice but unfortunately modern cars are so expensive to engineer that unless you are building a platform for worldwide sales the cost of said car would be astronomical. When you read about the Zeta platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform used in Commodore VE and VF and the limited use it got after GM cancelled models which were to be built on it you wonder where Holden would have gone in terms of design for a next gen Aussie Dunnydore if they had been given the green light.

BTW a mate at Holden's knew and told me more than 2 years out that Holden would cease manufacturing in Aus because there was never any development done on a VF replacement and it takes 2 years or more to design and engineer a new model.

Oh, and didn't Mr Gupta try to buy the Holden factory at Elizabeth to make cars (albeit EVs) and GM told him to shove off?

BG
BrentonGolding
There's a story and a half behind what happened at GMH 10 years ago during the GFC.  During the discussions when the US Govt was deciding whether to bail out GM in the GFC, there was serious talk of Holden being offloaded and closed.  But the engineers here were talking of developing EVs and making them here in Australia in the Holden factory.  The Rudd Govt were ready to support it.  But Holden stayed in the GM fold and kept building Commodes.

In hindsight - perhaps a missed opportunity?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
One thing I can't help but notice hasn't been queried is the one-off payment to single parents etc. for power bills (what was it? about $250ish?).

Sure, it helps pay one, maybe two bills at a stretch, but what happens after that?
Greensleeves
It's $75 per single adult (SBS). It's not even a good percentage of most power bills.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
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Oh, and didn't Mr Gupta try to buy the Holden factory at Elizabeth to make cars (albeit EVs) and GM told him to shove off?

BG
BrentonGolding
Ask Whyalla small businesses about Mr Gupta's company and how long they're taking to pay their bills. I have a theory that Mr Gupta is all about harvesting government grants and subsidies and will not actually deliver the steel plant as agreed.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
One thing I can't help but notice hasn't been queried is the one-off payment to single parents etc. for power bills (what was it? about $250ish?).

Sure, it helps pay one, maybe two bills at a stretch, but what happens after that?
It's $75 per single adult (SBS). It's not even a good percentage of most power bills.
don_dunstan

Geez and they're crowing about it like they've solved the whole problem....
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
One thing I can't help but notice hasn't been queried is the one-off payment to single parents etc. for power bills (what was it? about $250ish?).

Sure, it helps pay one, maybe two bills at a stretch, but what happens after that?
It's $75 per single adult (SBS). It's not even a good percentage of most power bills.

Geez and they're crowing about it like they've solved the whole problem....
Greensleeves
Barely a couple of cigars for the quintessential leaners.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
And just as soon as Christmas Island was announced to be being re-opened, it's closed again! $185 million later.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/02/australia-federal-budget-2019-refugees-jobactive-josh-frydenberg-christmas-island
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

BG, we could always reopen Broadmeadow,
Geelong and Elizabeth and put people to work to start making fossil fuelled cars. I don't see it happening though.
Broadmeadow or Broadmeadows? Are we talking Newcastle heavy Rail or the Ford Factory Laughing
BrentonGolding
Why not reopen the Newcastle heavy rail as well??? Sorry, dropped my S.

Just like Williamstown and Williamtown... there is always an 's' in there somewhere if it is in Victoria.

But, we seem to be acquiring all of our rolling stock from overseas because we supposedly do not have the steel or the expertise to make anything anymore.

As for why GM never sold Holden, who knows what kind of offers were put to them in the first place.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Japan is RHD.
kitchgp

and is much smaller than and has vastly different terrain (and thus vehicle requirements) to Australia!
Graham4405

A fair percentage of Australian cars are Japanese. The percentage rises the further you get from the city centre.

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