Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
DirtyBallast
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.
RTT_Rules
There is a requirement to live, day by day, also a need to plan for the future. Don’t we all do that?
Scomo works an a convenient political narrative. Power and re-election trumps everything else.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.
RTT_Rules
Ahh, so climate change hasn't begun yet, and the resultant inaction hasn't cost us yet.

Right.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.
RTT_Rules
Ahh, so climate change hasn't begun yet, and the resultant inaction hasn't cost us yet.

Right.
"DirtyBallast"

What are you talking about, every grid consumer pays 7.5% of their bill towards the development of that pseudo-scientific rubbish. That's not "inaction".
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.
Ahh, so climate change hasn't begun yet, and the resultant inaction hasn't cost us yet.

Right.
DirtyBallast
No, the cause of any change in the weather cannot be directly related to any human based activity with 100% certainty.

For example the first half of the 2nd millennia is full of the effects on humanity due to climate change, are you saying that this is an outcome of human activity?
  allan Chief Commissioner

No, the cause of any change in the weather cannot be directly related to any human based activity with 100% certainty.

For example the first half of the 2nd millennia is full of the effects on humanity due to climate change, are you saying that this is an outcome of human activity?
RTT_Rules
Change in weather is only rarely associated with human activity - a nuclear explosion is one example.

The short-term cooling events in the first half of the 2nd millennium have been related to volcanic activity, relatively recently. Ash layers in ice cores are solid indicators, among others.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.
Ahh, so climate change hasn't begun yet, and the resultant inaction hasn't cost us yet.

Right.
No, the cause of any change in the weather cannot be directly related to any human based activity with 100% certainty.

For example the first half of the 2nd millennia is full of the effects on humanity due to climate change, are you saying that this is an outcome of human activity?
RTT_Rules
What I'm saying is that a scientist is a scientist is a scientist.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What I'm saying is that a scientist is a scientist is a scientist.
DirtyBallast
Nope, as a Scientist you are using 2+2 = 5 to play your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
What I'm saying is that a scientist is a scientist is a scientist.
Nope, as a Scientist you are using 2+2 = 5 to play your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
RTT_Rules
Nope, as a scientist you are using 2+2 = 3 to play to your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


The short-term cooling events in the first half of the 2nd millennium have been related to volcanic activity, relatively recently. Ash layers in ice cores are solid indicators, among others.
allan
Yeah about that, they still don't know. They have ice cores going back thousands of years for sometime, they would have found the ash before. Also doesn't explain the Medieval Warming period which predated the cooling and encouraged the Vikings to settle large sections of Greenland and Iceland only to be killed off within a few centuries.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What I'm saying is that a scientist is a scientist is a scientist.
Nope, as a Scientist you are using 2+2 = 5 to play your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
Nope, as a scientist you are using 2+2 = 3 to play to your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
DirtyBallast
So what you are saying you overestimate problems and I under estimate them.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
What I'm saying is that a scientist is a scientist is a scientist.
Nope, as a Scientist you are using 2+2 = 5 to play your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
Nope, as a scientist you are using 2+2 = 3 to play to your political agenda which on this topic you have been doing for sometime.
So what you are saying you overestimate problems and I under estimate them.
RTT_Rules
I am of the belief that scientists are believable full stop. It is illogical to suggest that scientists in one field are somehow less able and and further down the food chain than others in a different field. It is illogical to accept everything that a medical scientist says, everything that a geologist says, everything that an astrophysicist says, everything that...you get the picture, but then when it comes to climate scientists, people like yourself compare them to a bunch of dropkicks not worth listening to.  

You said earlier that 100% certainty doesn't exist in the human cause of climate change...a key reason for your continued Nothing To See Here attitude. I put it to you that regarding COVID-19, there is also not 100% certainty of anything, whether it be its origin and development, outcomes, treatment, cure, long term effects etc. Using your logic COVID-19 is not worth worrying about because there are unknowns! Yet you are fully on board!!!

Do I overestimate problems? I don't think so; I've never made wild predictions etc. regarding climate. Do you underestimate them? Regarding climate, by not thinking that climate change is worth dealing with, the answer is obvious.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I am of the belief that scientists are believable full stop. It is illogical to suggest that scientists in one field are somehow less able and and further down the food chain than others in a different field. It is illogical to accept everything that a medical scientist says, everything that a geologist says, everything that an astrophysicist says, everything that...you get the picture, but then when it comes to climate scientists, people like yourself compare them to a bunch of dropkicks not worth listening to.
Dirty Ballast
No, you said that no me, in future please avoid guessing to know what I think or say.

You said earlier that 100% certainty doesn't exist in the human cause of climate change...a key reason for your continued Nothing To See Here attitude. I put it to you that regarding COVID-19, there is also not 100% certainty of anything, whether it be its origin and development, outcomes, treatment, cure, long term effects etc. Using your logic COVID-19 is not worth worrying about because there are unknowns! Yet you are fully on board!!!
Dirty Ballast
Again, you are guessing at what I said or may believe. Again please avoid doing so going forward and stick to what I actually said or simply ask me.

Do I overestimate problems? I don't think so; I've never made wild predictions etc. regarding climate. Do you underestimate them? Regarding climate, by not thinking that climate change is worth dealing with, the answer is obvious.
Dirty Ballast
You said, the PM believes one group/experts, but not another. Your assumption is that the PM does not believe in Climate Change, has the PM ever said that? ( I don't know). There is also an assumption that his personal beliefs are the same as his PM hat beliefs. I can tell you I know alot of people in industry that believe in climate change, but at work you would not know it because they are working towards achieving company objectives which are not always aligned with Climate Change objectives published by various groups and people like Gretta.

Again you are making assumptions and accusing me of something on that assumption. Have I ever stated that Climate Change is not worth dealing with?

If you want to get back on track with this discussion, go back to what I said about the PM responding to the Corona Virus and lets start from there.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Isn't it funny how ScoMo believes everything that is told to him by medical scientists, but not climate scientists?

Actually, it's not.
One is future on what might happen, the other is now and is happening.

Easier to believe in the now, than might happens in the future, also the cost of adapting for the future.
RTT_Rules
I'd say the implication of those couple of statements is pretty clear.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
IMHO it's not an unfair comment to call out ScoMo now as a gutless wonder.  The way he became PM, the way he handled the bushfires, and they way he's f-ing about with Coronavirus.  Criticse Rudd all you like for his hubris and many personal failings (there are plenty of them), I'd sooner him (but not before  Howard, Whitlam, Hawke, Keating, Costello or Fraser or even McMahan) as PM now.

At the very time we need a someone to show leadership and make the ballsy costly decisions that we all know need to be made, we've got this pathetic waste of space deciding *he* needs to go to the photo op at the footy instead.
djf01
I think Scott is finally starting to get the big picture, I have been fairly happy with his performance over the last 24-48 hours. no doubt he is being advised, (as they all are), but nevertheless , I think he has been pretty good.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I am of the belief that scientists are believable full stop. It is illogical to suggest that scientists in one field are somehow less able and and further down the food chain than others in a different field. It is illogical to accept everything that a medical scientist says, everything that a geologist says, everything that an astrophysicist says, everything that...you get the picture, but then when it comes to climate scientists, people like yourself compare them to a bunch of dropkicks not worth listening to.
No, you said that no me, in future please avoid guessing to know what I think or say.

You said earlier that 100% certainty doesn't exist in the human cause of climate change...a key reason for your continued Nothing To See Here attitude. I put it to you that regarding COVID-19, there is also not 100% certainty of anything, whether it be its origin and development, outcomes, treatment, cure, long term effects etc. Using your logic COVID-19 is not worth worrying about because there are unknowns! Yet you are fully on board!!!
Again, you are guessing at what I said or may believe. Again please avoid doing so going forward and stick to what I actually said or simply ask me.

Do I overestimate problems? I don't think so; I've never made wild predictions etc. regarding climate. Do you underestimate them? Regarding climate, by not thinking that climate change is worth dealing with, the answer is obvious.
You said, the PM believes one group/experts, but not another. Your assumption is that the PM does not believe in Climate Change, has the PM ever said that? ( I don't know). There is also an assumption that his personal beliefs are the same as his PM hat beliefs. I can tell you I know alot of people in industry that believe in climate change, but at work you would not know it because they are working towards achieving company objectives which are not always aligned with Climate Change objectives published by various groups and people like Gretta.

Again you are making assumptions and accusing me of something on that assumption. Have I ever stated that Climate Change is not worth dealing with?

If you want to get back on track with this discussion, go back to what I said about the PM responding to the Corona Virus and lets start from there.
RTT_Rules
I love your wordy but vacuous replies. I'm getting you to waste as much time as Don! Laughing
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I love your wordy but vacuous replies. I'm getting you to waste as much time as Don! Laughing
DirtyBallast
Ok, short version
You basically had no idea what you were talking about and to justify this you made stuff up about what I said!

Yes I've seen you waste other peoples time as well!

Maybe Mark Twain or was it Greg King was correct after all.  Wink
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
IMHO it's not an unfair comment to call out ScoMo now as a gutless wonder.  The way he became PM, the way he handled the bushfires, and they way he's f-ing about with Coronavirus.  Criticse Rudd all you like for his hubris and many personal failings (there are plenty of them), I'd sooner him (but not before  Howard, Whitlam, Hawke, Keating, Costello or Fraser or even McMahan) as PM now.

At the very time we need a someone to show leadership and make the ballsy costly decisions that we all know need to be made, we've got this pathetic waste of space deciding *he* needs to go to the photo op at the footy instead.
I think Scott is finally starting to get the big picture, I have been fairly happy with his performance over the last 24-48 hours. no doubt he is being advised, (as they all are), but nevertheless , I think he has been pretty good.
lsrailfan
No he's been pushing spin until it came back at him over the "go to the footy" big joke.
A good example of when pollies should shut the F up, introduce the expert then stand behind them and nod approvingly.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

IMHO it's not an unfair comment to call out ScoMo now as a gutless wonder.  The way he became PM, the way he handled the bushfires, and they way he's f-ing about with Coronavirus.  Criticse Rudd all you like for his hubris and many personal failings (there are plenty of them), I'd sooner him (but not before  Howard, Whitlam, Hawke, Keating, Costello or Fraser or even McMahan) as PM now.

At the very time we need a someone to show leadership and make the ballsy costly decisions that we all know need to be made, we've got this pathetic waste of space deciding *he* needs to go to the photo op at the footy instead.
I think Scott is finally starting to get the big picture, I have been fairly happy with his performance over the last 24-48 hours. no doubt he is being advised, (as they all are), but nevertheless , I think he has been pretty good.
lsrailfan
Clearly, someone is easily impressed.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Clearly, someone is easily impressed.
"michaelgm"
Very easily indeed.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Well what about the isolation of people coming to the country for 14 days, he has got that one right, banning of foreign cruise ships entering our waters for 30 days at least, he has got that one right, Yeah, he sold us a pup about the footy, but the first 2 he has done well on so far.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Well what about the isolation of people coming to the country for 14 days, he has got that one right, banning of foreign cruise ships entering our waters for 30 days at least, he has got that one right, Yeah, he sold us a pup about the footy, but the first 2 he has done well on so far.
lsrailfan
Asleep at the wheel.
In WAY over his head.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Well what about the isolation of people coming to the country for 14 days, he has got that one right, banning of foreign cruise ships entering our waters for 30 days at least, he has got that one right, Yeah, he sold us a pup about the footy, but the first 2 he has done well on so far.
Asleep at the wheel.
In WAY over his head.
michaelgm
If you are suggesting he should do way more, I agree with you, but this is a good start, he should follow the Chinese model, or the South Korean model, they locked up EVERYTHING, and it seems to be slowing the curb of COVID-19 cases rapidly! we don't want to become like Italy!!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Well what about the isolation of people coming to the country for 14 days, he has got that one right, banning of foreign cruise ships entering our waters for 30 days at least, he has got that one right, Yeah, he sold us a pup about the footy, but the first 2 he has done well on so far.
Asleep at the wheel.
In WAY over his head.
michaelgm
The LNP Coup Culture is the big problem here. Effective leaders surround themselves with people who are better than them, but he sees anyone better than him as a threat to his position who must be sidelined.

Australia would have done a far better job of handling this if it happened under superior leaders like Howard, Rudd or Gillard.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Well what about the isolation of people coming to the country for 14 days, he has got that one right, banning of foreign cruise ships entering our waters for 30 days at least, he has got that one right, Yeah, he sold us a pup about the footy, but the first 2 he has done well on so far.
Asleep at the wheel.
In WAY over his head.
michaelgm
The LNP Coup Culture is the big problem here. Effective leaders surround themselves with people who are better than them, but he sees anyone better than him as a threat to his position who must be sidelined.

Australia would have done a far better job of handling this if it happened under superior leaders like Howard, Rudd or Gillard.
"justapassenger"

Howard's stupid decision to help GW Bush remove Saddam in Iraq rules him out in my estimation; that stupid war had consequences still being felt and making the world a less safe place.

I don't have an opinion on Morrison's performance in the last few weeks, I really couldn't say if any of the recent leadership would have been any better.

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