Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hearing that Tony Abbott could be offered a new job by Scott Morrison, as a special Envoy to the indigenous community, he is yet to formally accept the offer though

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Old but still true?

'"The government, today, announced it is changing it's emblem to a CONDOM, because it more accurately reflects the governments political stance. A condom accounts for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of dicks, and gives you a sense of protection while you are being screwed....It just doesn't get any more accurate than that!"'
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hearing that Tony Abbott could be offered a new job by Scott Morrison, as a special Envoy to the indigenous community, he is yet to formally accept the offer though

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lsrailfan
Only a platform for more infighting with the Minister (whoever that might be).
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'd prefer to see Abbott given the job of Chief Tester in a factory making concrete boots.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Hearing that Tony Abbott could be offered a new job by Scott Morrison, as a special Envoy to the indigenous community, he is yet to formally accept the offer though

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lsrailfan
I don't think Tones was the wreaker that he's being portrayed as in the media - I think Malcolm made a complete hash of being Prime Minister and the criticism from Tones (and others) was actually well deserved.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I don't think Tones was the wreaker that he's being portrayed as in the media - I think Malcolm made a complete hash of being Prime Minister and the criticism from Tones (and others) was actually well deserved.
"don_dunstan"
You're entitled to your opinion, notwithstanding the fact that it's rubbish.
The evidence is clearly against you. One compelling reason Turnbull was not as successful as hoped is summed up in three words; Abbott, Abetz, Andrews;  the leaders of the loony right who deliberately undermined the PM. They were so pre-occupied with mutiny ( and revenge, in Abbott's case) that they couldn't even count the numbers properly; two challenges and they failed to get their man up in both, leaving their Party a wreck. Today's Newspolls would have Menzies doing 2000 rpm in his grave, and you want to blame Turnbull. Try taking a good dose of reality.
  allan Chief Commissioner
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Meanwhile, Australia has had it's first Asylum seeker boat in over 1400 days, I noted on the news tonight , Senator Hanson trying to put this down to the instability going on at the moment- and I'm also the tooth fairy Rolling EyesRolling Eyes  - https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/passengers-flee-after-illegal-boat-runs-aground-in-daintree/news-story/3956640c0cc556894eee56ab9c3a8d5f

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  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

i agree with Don Dunstan that the any proposal to proceed with CSG / Coal Seam Gas over the Great Artesian Basin is a truly dumb idea. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Artesian_Basin ) As this covers about 2/3rds of Queensland, about 1/2 of South Australia, the northern top of NSW and parts of NT, any "accidental" poisoning of this aquifer would PERMANENTLY make this water source ( which is millions of years old ) unusable., and make the affected area uninhabitable.

I do not agree with Don Dunstan in relation to Wrecker Abbott. He has spent the bulk of his time as an xPM ( which was a direct result of being a disastrous failure as a PM ) undermining the Coalition Government, instead of being supportive as he promised to be.

He has also had outside support by those well known empty vessels Bolt, Hadley and Jones. The L-NP should have run a PR campaign against those blokes years ago, because letting them bang on regardless has helped to undermine the public support for the L-NP Coalition , and they have gone unchallenged for far too long . Those of us young enough to remember RG ( Bob ) Menzies ( Ming the Merciless ) made a point of neutralizing Bob Santamaria's criticisms of the L-CP Coalition, whilst endorsing his anti ALP rhetoric. Clearly, the current crop of L-NP Coalition politicians have no idea of the danger the reactionary right represents to them.

The proposition of Abbott being a Special Envoy for the Aborigines is clearly Morrison's idea of a joke. Both Barnaby ( Special Envoy for Drought ) and Abbott have made plain their opposition to having a formal consultation body for Aborigines , and one would not expect Dutton to be in favour of this either.
( Dutton made a point of being absent for the apology to the stolen Generations. )
So what exactly do they expect Abbott to do ? And what have the aborigines done this time to deserve this fate ?

Barnaby as an Envoy for Drought is also a bit rich considering that Barnaby supported the northern NSW irrigators against the farmers in Southern NSW, Victoria and South Australia.

And finally, Don Dunstan's prediction of Morrison spruicking for the Real Estate agencies came to fruition within 48 hours , nice one Don.

Regards, Radioman.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

today ( "The Age" Monday 27 August 2018 ) page 18 "Angry ? You're dead right" Amanda Vanstone quote "... It takes a special kind of stupidity to organize a coup that you don't win..."

Says it all really.

Regards, Radioman.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't think Tones was the wreaker that he's being portrayed as in the media - I think Malcolm made a complete hash of being Prime Minister and the criticism from Tones (and others) was actually well deserved.
You're entitled to your opinion, notwithstanding the fact that it's rubbish.
The evidence is clearly against you. One compelling reason Turnbull was not as successful as hoped is summed up in three words; Abbott, Abetz, Andrews;  the leaders of the loony right who deliberately undermined the PM. They were so pre-occupied with mutiny ( and revenge, in Abbott's case) that they couldn't even count the numbers properly; two challenges and they failed to get their man up in both, leaving their Party a wreck. Today's Newspolls would have Menzies doing 2000 rpm in his grave, and you want to blame Turnbull. Try taking a good dose of reality.
Valvegear
If its any consolation I believe your opinion is rubbish too, Valvie - so right back at 'ya!

Malcolm was held to a lower standard than Tones was, he was allowed an extra six months of losing Newspolls just because he was Malcolm and his approval rating with the public was high. Malcolm struggled to get anything through the Senate just like his predecessor and then decided to stake his reputation on both the company tax cuts and the NEG (terrible idea - someone should have talked him out of it). Having done that he than completely failed to get either of those things through.

In my book, sufficient enough evidence for his own party to sack him... that and the fact that he had not turned the LNP's position around in the polls which was yet another broken promise.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Once again, the inimitable Don ignores the undoubted evidence of deliberate destabilsation by Abbott and Co ( as also quoted quite correctly above by Radioman), and blames the victim. With the opposition within his own party, Turnbull was on a hiding to nothing.
Don't let the facts get in the way, Don; it spoils your fun of selecting bits, and ignoring the rest. How many politicians, ex-pollies and commentators are you ignoring? Try doing a little research instead of writing tripe.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Once again, the inimitable Don ignores the undoubted evidence of deliberate destabilsation by Abbott and Co ( as also quoted quite correctly above by Radioman), and blames the victim. With the opposition within his own party, Turnbull was on a hiding to nothing.
Don't let the facts get in the way, Don; it spoils your fun of selecting bits, and ignoring the rest. How many politicians, ex-pollies and commentators are you ignoring? Try doing a little research instead of writing tripe.
Valvegear
I'm not ignoring it, I'm saying that it was a side issue and the main event was Malcolm's incompetence and inability to get anything done. Turnbull had lusted after that job since the nineties and when he finally got it he botched it just as badly and the man that he impatiently replaced and consistently campaigned against behind the scenes for the two preceding years. What, you think Turnbull didn't deserve to be knifed in exactly the same manner that he knifed Tones? Please.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm not ignoring it, I'm saying that it was a side issue and the main event was Malcolm's incompetence and inability to get anything done.
"don_dunstan"
And that's where you're wrong. You can't tell the difference between cause and effect.

What, you think Turnbull didn't deserve to be knifed in exactly the same manner that he knifed Tones? Please.
"don_dunstan"
And just where did I say that?  I've given reasons why he was knifed.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And that's where you're wrong. You can't tell the difference between cause and effect.
Valvegear
Seriously? You really think that Tones was the sole cause of Turnbull's demise? You should tell him, I'm sure he'd be flatted. That's not what happened though. It was a contributory factor but there were lots of them.
And just where did I say that? I've given reasons why he was knifed.
Valvegear
Well you keep prattling on about it like it was completely undeserved... all I'm saying is that I don't agree with that view.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Seriously? You really think that Tones was the sole cause of Turnbull's demise?
"don_dunstan"
Read what I wrote and stop talking nonsense.

Well you keep prattling on about it like it was completely undeserved..
"don_dunstan"
Again, just read, and leave your fevered imagination aside.  I listed reasons why Turnbull was knifed. At no stage have I said it was undeserved.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Seriously? You really think that Tones was the sole cause of Turnbull's demise? You should tell him, I'm sure he'd be flatted. That's not what happened though. It was a contributory factor but there were lots of them.
don_dunstan
You're pulling back from your original assertion.

Every political commentator with any credibly has laid this at the feet of Abbott and supporting agitators in two media organisations.

It’s now clear most Liberal MP’s didn’t want a bar of this. It looks like this was a big miscalculation.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-27/turnbull-dutton-challenge-could-have-been-saved-by-cormann/10168406

If Turnbull stared it down and called it out for what it was, he’d still be PM.

Speaking of Abbott supporters, I did a double take when I saw Gloria saying "Shorten is a formidable opponent."
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Speaking of Abbott supporters, I did a double take when I saw Gloria saying "Shorten is a formidable opponent."
"Groundrelay"
I guess it's pretty easy for the opposition to appear formidable when your own party is self-destructing.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Read what I wrote and stop talking nonsense.
Valvegear
Well that's exactly what you're implying.
Every political commentator with any credibly has laid this at the feet of Abbott and supporting agitators in two media organisations.
Groundrelay
No they didn't - I did watch Media Watch and Four Corners last night too you know. It was certainly a contributing factor and they had history that went back to 2009 when Abbott bumped Turnbull off the first time - but by far not the main event.

Both of you seem to let Malcolm off lightly - he wasn't competent. As they said in Four Corners story, Malcolm backed himself into a corner and alienated even those who supported him. Every time he backed down on something it proved that he stood for nothing - so he wasn't even working for his own faction.

I understand if you liked Malcolm as a PM but the fact was that he was no better than Tones and to blame the conservative rump entirely is patently wrong.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Groundrelay - are you going to tell him or am I?
Or should we just let him stumble around in his own little insular world?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Mark Latham on why Turnbull lost the Liberal leadership (via his website at Outsiders):

Yet when the Liberal Party dumped Turnbull, whom did the Left media blame?

It wasn’t Malcolm himself. His failures on personal income tax reform, Big Australia immigration policy, housing affordability, sluggish wages growth, rising electricity prices and divisive identity politics were conveniently ignored.

Led by Channel Nine’s Chris Uhlmann (an ex-ABC presenter married to a Labor MP), they blamed Sky, Jones and Hadley...

...The ABC’s Laura Tingle said the conservative base “remains a small thing”.

Fairfax’s Jacqueline Maley declared the Right-wing “rump or lump within the Coalition” to be “very unrepresentative of mainstream Australian values.”

The ubiquitous Malcolm Cate McGregor depicted “the Liberal Party base as shrill broadcasters and unrepresentative ideologues (who) are all out-of-touch with voters.”

Malcolm had alienated most of his party by pursuing the Paris Agreement and ignored the pain of rising electricity prices, non-existent wages growth and domestic gas prices almost the highest in the world. Let me repeat: He was ignoring the most pressing issues that the electorate had and instead pressed ahead with trying to honour the Paris Agreement which almost no other signatory country was abiding to. He was completely ignorant of what the electorate wanted.

If you seriously believe that poor Malcolm was the victim of a LNP right-wing conspiracy then you're just plain ignorant.
  Clarke Hudswell Junior Train Controller

Essential Poll as reported today:  

The new survey, which follows a fortnight of catastrophic civil war in the Liberal party, has Labor ahead of the Coalition on the two-party-preferred measure 55% to 45%. A fortnight ago, before the government shelved its energy policy and dumped Malcolm Turnbull, [color=#ab0613]Labor was ahead 52% to 48%.[/color]

Only 32% of the sample thought the government should withdraw from the Paris agreement – which is a position some in the government advocate.

Fewer than half, 41%, supported the idea of funding more coal-fired power plants, which is a position championed by some in the National party.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

I was listening to an interview with Warren Mundine ( the former NSW ALP State President , not the boxer ) on ABC RN today ( Tuesday 28 August 2018 ) who said that Tony Abbott was actually very supportive of aboriginal communities , and Abbott volunteers about once a month in isolated aboriginal communities , so my previous post re Abbott and the aborigines was incorrect , and therefore the choice of Abbott as a Special Envoy may actually be a positive move.

Warren also said that the Turnbull was far less supportive than Abbott.

Regards, Radioman.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Hello All,

I was listening to an interview with Warren Mundine ( the former NSW ALP State President , not the boxer ) on ABC RN today ( Tuesday 28 August 2018 ) who said that Tony Abbott was actually very supportive of aboriginal communities , and Abbott volunteers about once a month in isolated aboriginal communities , so my previous post re Abbott and the aborigines was incorrect , and therefore the choice of Abbott as a Special Envoy may actually be a positive move.

Warren also said that the Turnbull was far less supportive than Abbott.

Regards, Radioman.
Radioman
Regardless of what people think of TA, he has a very long history dating before politics of volunteer working in Aboriginal communities including during his time as PM.

The role offered to TA by SM is a fairly smart move, its something TA has a personal passion for and starts to bring him back into the fold.

MT and AT hated each others guts, TA got the leadership role over MT by 1 vote and MT never forgot and was the king of party leaks. AT should have had him kicked out of the party when he was PM. Unlike MT, TA as PM gave MT senior roles. MT's biggest mistake was always kicking TA to the back bench. He was heavily critised internally and externally for doing this.

Despite what some may think that TA brought down MT, it wasn't him and I think you are giving too much credit to AT in trying to lay blame. MT did most of it himself, he was on the brink of having his own MP's in crossing the floor. Yes TA also did what he could to destablise MT.

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