Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
We have this shambles federally with Morrison now leading an even-more minority government. His and Frydenburg's walkout on Dr Phelps' maiden speech shows how stupid the current leadership is - they need her more than she needs them but they're too dumb to see it. "Let's show no respect, and insult her instead."

Concurrently, we have seen the Libs crash and burn in Victoria, thanks in large measure to Matthew Guy and his "politics of fear" campaign. A large policy plank was to build another big prison and lock up just about every minor offender.

When I was younger, I saw the ALP/DLP split, and that was a spectacle in itself.

What it is about Party leaders who head down a path of self-destruction is something I will never understand. It has to be ego-driven, because logic certainly doesn't enter into it.

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

VG! Hollywood has Me to, Canberra has Me only.
Nothing else to understand.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

As for Scmo's imploding act, thought it possible for him to return to advertising, when it all goes tits up but Joe Average ain't buying what he's flogging, at present.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Valvegear: We are at one of those rare junctures where I fully agree. The fact that they couldn't be bothered with Kerryn Phelps is rank stupidity in the extreme, what's the matter with these people that they couldn't be fagged showing that woman any respect - even though they'll need her vote to stay in office. It's indicative of their entire approach, ignore everyone else, focus on ourselves.

I see that Trump (or his advisers) have decided that Morrison isn't worth meeting at the G20 summit in Argentina this weekend... probably they realise that he won't be there for long so why bother. Morrison has no authority because of his temporary nature and nobody is respecting what he says because he's irrelevant; it's telling that Alan Jones informed him that Julia Banks had resigned from the Liberal Party because Morrison himself had no clue as to what was going on. Now there's a rumour that more LNP members are going to defect to the cross-benches... it's the death of a thousand cuts isn't it.

Dreadful, the whole nation is like a rudderless ship being pushed towards the rocks on account of the LNP. I'm not looking forward to a Shorten government for reasons that I've already explained but I'm getting to the point where I just want these clowns out of office for no other reason than they can't govern to save themselves and the whole country is suffering.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Our federal parliament must be in an exceptional sorry state when Don Dunstan and Valvegear agree, god help us.Very Happy
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Valvegear: We are at one of those rare junctures where I fully agree. The fact that they couldn't be bothered with Kerryn Phelps is rank stupidity in the extreme, what's the matter with these people that they couldn't be fagged showing that woman any respect - even though they'll need her vote to stay in office. It's indicative of their entire approach, ignore everyone else, focus on ourselves.

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Dreadful, the whole nation is like a rudderless ship being pushed towards the rocks on account of the LNP. I'm not looking forward to a Shorten government for reasons that I've already explained but I'm getting to the point where I just want these clowns out of office for no other reason than they can't govern to save themselves and the whole country is suffering.
don_dunstan
Don, bit of advice; don't let your past grievances with various parties dictate future actions. After-all, you were not happy with a childish action dictated by a past grievances (Morrison and Frydenburg's walkout on Dr Phelps' maiden speech) which after all was because of their grievances against her for winning her seat after Turnball left Parliament. It was not Phelps' fault Malcolm Turnbull left parliament so they have no reason to hate her.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Get ready for an early federal election guys.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I doubt there'll be an early election.
The NSW State election is in the way and its timing is virtually locked in stone. The Federal Budget has been brought forward into April, allowing for an election in mid May; near enough to the time it's due.
Morrison is in a cleft stick here - does he go early with the Libs in disarray, or does he wait and hope that things get better? My bet is on the latter course.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Let me just say that that walkout of Morrison, and Frydenberg during Kerryn Phelp's maiden speech, really showed a lack of class, and that goes a long way to showing what you are really like, even if you really despise the person, you should at least stick around and hear what they have to say, that itself could be a votechanger, as the public really hate pollies that just snub their noses at others!

Kind Regards
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, bit of advice; don't let your past grievances with various parties dictate future actions. After-all, you were not happy with a childish action dictated by a past grievances (Morrison and Frydenburg's walkout on Dr Phelps' maiden speech) which after all was because of their grievances against her for winning her seat after Turnball left Parliament. It was not Phelps' fault Malcolm Turnbull left parliament so they have no reason to hate her.
petan
Petan - I'm not necessarily concluding that they 'hate' her, just that they couldn't be bothered showing her the respect of listening to what she had to say. If I was Morrison (or Frydenburg) I'd be trying to at least pretend that I'm prepared to show her the courtesy of listening to her speak about her reasons for running and what she was hoping to achieve.

But no.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
ScoMo jets off to Argentina on his vitally important mission to save global 'free trade'. (Nine News);

Mr Morrison will touch down in South America in a few hours' time, and is determined to see China and the US back down from their trade war.

"It is about the two biggest economies addressing their differences to provide certainty and stability to the global economy," Mr Morrison said.

"We need them to agree a constructive way forward on global trade. As Prime Minister I have set out Australia's position on the need for these issues to be reconciled, as a friend and partner of both countries."

Trump isn't even going to meet with you, how do you think you're going to save global 'free-trade' if you're irrelevant?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Labor combines with the LNP to vote in changes to the welfare system so that skilled migrants can't access any benefits for a very long time. But Greens Senator Mehreen Farqui says that the changes are unfair. From SBS:

Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi said she and her partner had migrated to Australia with plans to work as engineers but had needed the support of social security payments "for the first few months" they spent in the country.

"We were told that there was an acute shortage of engineers in Australia and there were lots of jobs available for us. But when we got here, things were quite different," Senator Faruqi told the chamber.

"While no one would give us a job, the support system in Australia at that time did recognise that migrants do need financial assistance to survive and we were provided this assistance. That was the only way we could survive for the first few months in a new country where we hardly knew anyone," she said.

"It’s pretty rich of Labor to stand here and tell us we don’t understand the complexities. Well you know what, mate, I’ve lived the complexity. So don’t dare come in here and preach to me."

Hmm, I have to ask, what was a "skilled migrant" doing in Australia unemployed and accessing welfare as soon as they arrive in the country? And engineering is about the most over-supplied graduate field out (along with accounting), so why did this lady even get a visa to come here and look for work competing with the thousands of graduates pouring out of our universities?

Why were Australian taxpayers supporting someone to come here from another country and browse for a job? Newly arrived migrants (outside of refugees) shouldn't have any Centrelink or Family Tax Benefit entitlement whatsoever, these changes were long overdue.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
ScoMo jets off to Argentina on his vitally important mission to save global 'free trade'. (Nine News);

Trump isn't even going to meet with you, how do you think you're going to save global 'free-trade' if you're irrelevant?
don_dunstan
I read Trump said he was not going to meet Russian president Putin because of the latest problems over that way, so Trump now has a free spot in his timetable. Someone please Morrison's staff to try for that spot!!!!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
ScoMo jets off to Argentina on his vitally important mission to save global 'free trade'. (Nine News);

Mr Morrison will touch down in South America in a few hours' time, and is determined to see China and the US back down from their trade war.

"It is about the two biggest economies addressing their differences to provide certainty and stability to the global economy," Mr Morrison said.

"We need them to agree a constructive way forward on global trade. As Prime Minister I have set out Australia's position on the need for these issues to be reconciled, as a friend and partner of both countries."

Trump isn't even going to meet with you, how do you think you're going to save global 'free-trade' if you're irrelevant?
don_dunstan
The White House has confirmed the meeting, due to Trump cancelling the meeting with Putin

Kind Regards
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The White House has confirmed the meeting, due to Trump cancelling the meeting with Putin

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Israilfan - then it comes back to the problem of legitimacy, Trump's advisers will say "he's just a temp from the agency".
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Did anyone else see the completely arrogant responses from Morrison and Canavan regarding the student protests on climate change inactivity yesterday?

From Morrison: "We don't support the idea of kids not going to school to participate in things that can be dealt with outside of school," and "We don't support our schools being turned into parliaments. What we want is more learning in schools and less activism in schools."

Canavan: "Walking off school and protesting, you don't learn anything from that," "The best thing you learn about going to a protest is how to join the dole queue." "I want kids to be at school to learn about how you build a mine, how you do geology, how you drill for oil and gas, which is one of the most remarkable scientific exploits of anywhere in the world that we do," "These are the type of things excite young children."

The ones protesting may only be kids now, but give them a couple more years and a lot will be there in the voting booths and I doubt they'd forget this. It's like the student protests against the Vietnam war back in the 70's, and the responses from the pollies then was just the same.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-30/australian-students-climate-change-protest-scott-morrison/10571168?smid=Page:%20ABC%20News-Facebook_Organic&WT.tsrc=Facebook_Organic&sf203262298=1
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Sco-Mo will rue the day he held up a lump of coal in Parliament.  

I'm not fan of students going on strike but it wouldn't have got to this stage if he and others actually deal with the issue instead of compounding it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
"Renewable" energy isn't compatible with trying to run a modern industrial nation - but then maybe we won't have that problem for much longer. From 2GB;

The nation’s largest electricity user is questioning how it’ll keep its Tomago aluminium smelter running under Labor’s 50 per cent renewables target.

A federal Labor government has declared it would spend $15 billion on “fixing” the national energy network and subsidise 100,000 household batteries.

But Tomago Aluminium CEO Matt Howell says “batteries are not a solution”.

“Eight minutes, that’s all it will power us for,” he tells Ray Hadley.

“It’ll be like trying to tow an oil tanker with a canoe.”

Mr Howell says Labor proposing the scheme is “quite frankly, a distraction”.

“If we had a secure and stable grid, you wouldn’t need them in the first place.”

I must say there's a lot in Bill Shorten's scheme that doesn't make any sense - he wants to help the Marshall government here in SA build a multi-billion dollar high voltage transmission line across the Hay Plains to connect SA with the NSW power grid - but at the same time NSW is closing reliable coal-fired power stations so ultimately we're connecting one unreliable system to another. More billions down the drain.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I noted that President Trump said he's looking forward to a "long lasting relationship" with Scott Morrison, ah yer Donald, try 6 months, tops!!

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
but at the same time NSW is closing reliable coal-fired power stations
don_dunstan

The Libs are in power in NSW, so is it they closing down 'reliable' power stations OR is it private industry closing down 'reliable' power stations? Could you clarify please?

If it is either of the above you can't blame Bill or the Greenies for it.

If Mr Tomagao is genuinely worried about a reliable power source for the future, why is he targeting Bill then and not the NSW Libs or the private sector for these closures, which would seem to be a lot more imminent than Bill achieving his 50% target?

Or is he just parroting something he heard over dinner with his Liberal Party mates the other day, or maybe something he was force fed by the journalist from 2GB?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
but at the same time NSW is closing reliable coal-fired power stations

The Libs are in power in NSW, so is it they closing down 'reliable' power stations OR is it private industry closing down 'reliable' power stations? Could you clarify please?

If it is either of the above you can't blame Bill or the Greenies for it.

If Mr Tomagao is genuinely worried about a reliable power source for the future, why is he targeting Bill then and not the NSW Libs or the private sector for these closures, which would seem to be a lot more imminent than Bill achieving his 50% target?

Or is he just parroting something he heard over dinner with his Liberal Party mates the other day, or maybe something he was force fed by the journalist from 2GB?
bingley hall
I knew someone would pick up on the fact that it was on 2GB... it was also in the Australian.

We have resident aluminum people on this forum who should be able to tell us if Matt Howell is correct or not.

I don't know why you're so against us having reliable, cheap base-load power in this country - for some reason it's become equated to destroying the planet when the coal we mine gets burnt anyway. It's the same planet you know; we're just depriving ourselves of the economic and social benefits of reliable electricity because of the magic, invisible carbon fairy.

Our decision not to burn coal here is not resulting in one ounce less of carbon dioxide emissions, it's just making our population suffer needlessly under the highest electricity rates in the world.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
but at the same time NSW is closing reliable coal-fired power stations

The Libs are in power in NSW, so is it they closing down 'reliable' power stations OR is it private industry closing down 'reliable' power stations? Could you clarify please?

If it is either of the above you can't blame Bill or the Greenies for it.

If Mr Tomagao is genuinely worried about a reliable power source for the future, why is he targeting Bill then and not the NSW Libs or the private sector for these closures, which would seem to be a lot more imminent than Bill achieving his 50% target?

Or is he just parroting something he heard over dinner with his Liberal Party mates the other day, or maybe something he was force fed by the journalist from 2GB?
I knew someone would pick up on the fact that it was on 2GB... it was also in the Australian.

We have resident aluminum people on this forum who should be able to tell us if Matt Howell is correct or not.

I don't know why you're so against us having reliable, cheap base-load power in this country - for some reason it's become equated to destroying the planet when the coal we mine gets burnt anyway. It's the same planet you know; we're just depriving ourselves of the economic and social benefits of reliable electricity because of the magic, invisible carbon fairy.

Our decision not to burn coal here is not resulting in one ounce less of carbon dioxide emissions, it's just making our population suffer needlessly under the highest electricity rates in the world.
don_dunstan
Which, as the son of an ex Hazelwood employee, have nothing to do with the power plants... it's the retailers charging through the nose.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
but at the same time NSW is closing reliable coal-fired power stations

The Libs are in power in NSW, so is it they closing down 'reliable' power stations OR is it private industry closing down 'reliable' power stations? Could you clarify please?

If it is either of the above you can't blame Bill or the Greenies for it.

If Mr Tomagao is genuinely worried about a reliable power source for the future, why is he targeting Bill then and not the NSW Libs or the private sector for these closures, which would seem to be a lot more imminent than Bill achieving his 50% target?

Or is he just parroting something he heard over dinner with his Liberal Party mates the other day, or maybe something he was force fed by the journalist from 2GB?
I knew someone would pick up on the fact that it was on 2GB... it was also in the Australian.

We have resident aluminum people on this forum who should be able to tell us if Matt Howell is correct or not.

I don't know why you're so against us having reliable, cheap base-load power in this country - for some reason it's become equated to destroying the planet when the coal we mine gets burnt anyway. It's the same planet you know; we're just depriving ourselves of the economic and social benefits of reliable electricity because of the magic, invisible carbon fairy.

Our decision not to burn coal here is not resulting in one ounce less of carbon dioxide emissions, it's just making our population suffer needlessly under the highest electricity rates in the world.
don_dunstan
For the umpteenth time, but not always directed to the same naysayer, coal is NOT as reliable as imagined. Renewables are NOT entirely reliable either, but they are entirely PREDICTABLE; coal is NOT. Units trip out all the time, usually upsetting the grid when they do.  As I speak Yallourn Unit 3 is still unable to be put back online due to continuing investigations into the death of a Unit Controller there last fortnight - something went wrong with an old 6.6kV breaker after it was racked in. Admittedly this is not specifically a coal issue but it goes to show that losing a single coal unit has a much larger impact than losing a wind turbine or a solar inverter.

Victoria's youngest coal fired generating unit is approaching 30 years of age.

Hazelwood was nameplated at 1600MW but barely ran over 1300MW in its final years. It was knackered. So is Liddell.

"Build a new one" you say. If it was worthwhile to do so, it would happen, but existing generators like AGL and Engie just want to get the hell out of it. Why? Click on the link for a clue:

https://reneweconomy.com.au/the-stunning-wind-solar-and-battery-costs-the-coalition-refuses-to-accept-31985/

As for the weak "Other countries burn it anyway" argument, how about Australians create the right to bear arms so that we can shoot each other, or deny girls the right to go to school or women from driving or voting, or carry out female circumcision, or invade other countries and wipe out the indigenous population (oh wait...)...as stated, the argument is weak. If we send a lump of coal overseas to be burnt to provide electricity for a region in a developing country that doesn't already have it, the benefit will be far greater to the people over there than if it was burnt here. Far greater. On the other hand we are decades ahead and are at the other end of the coal fired generation spectrum. So, if they are going to burn it, we have to make bloody sure that we don't so as well. We're smarter than that.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Something which I found rather amusing tonight, apparently on ABC News, when the Cameras were switched off between Morrison and Trump, Trump wanted to know what happened to Malcom Turnbull.

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  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Something which I found rather amusing tonight, apparently on ABC News, when the Cameras were switched off between Morrison and Trump, Trump wanted to know what happened to Malcom Turnbull.

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lsrailfan
Incorrect.

He actually asked what happened to Malcolm Trumble.

Wink

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