Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Thank goodness we only have another week of the Scomo Government in power, I know Billy Boy won't be much better sadly Sad , but anything's worth a shot at this stage... Rolling Eyes

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lsrailfan
Labor are holding their smeg together. Ironic given it’s the born to rule lot who reckon they’re the better breed.

Shorten did OK this week, very measured in his response to the government’s shambolic performance. He’s still as wooden as ever and will never be Mr 75% yet Labor remains ahead in the polls. Most people realise we don’t actually vote for the PM.

The NEG is the only game in town. A lot of work went into it and it is widely supported. The extremely wrought in the Liberal Party and their mates in the media oppose it, so what!

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I may as well raise this here, I actually think that next year could be a very big year in politics in Oz, you have the NSW State election, + the Federal election, both of which could produce upset wins, could be a very interesting 2019 ahead I think

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aren’t we spending billions out there stopping the boats. Surely that is the effective deterrent, not making examples of children.

At what point do you stop feeding this paranoia?
Groundrelay
So you're calling a death toll of more than a thousand people "paranoia"? There's no public information on the arrival of boats any longer so we're not really sure if the policy has worked or not.

Also remember that there were dozens of babies born in detention in Manus and Nairu despite access to contraception - surely if Nairu/Manus were hell on earth as described you'd think twice about bringing a baby into that environment. But then a baby sure makes a good bargaining chip for getting to the mainland doesn't it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I may as well raise this here, I actually think that next year could be a very big year in politics in Oz, you have the NSW State election, + the Federal election, both of which could produce upset wins, could be a very interesting 2019 ahead I think

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Labor will crash and burn even faster than they did last time, mark my words.

It's not necessarily the Labor Party itself that will be the problem, it'll be the fact that there are un-fixable things in our economy that will continue to deteriorate and there's not a damn thing they can do except open the spending taps even further. Like I said earlier, expect money to be raining from the sky by this time next year - Shorten will be hitting the panic button by then.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I may as well raise this here, I actually think that next year could be a very big year in politics in Oz, you have the NSW State election, + the Federal election, both of which could produce upset wins, could be a very interesting 2019 ahead I think

Kind Regards
Labor will crash and burn even faster than they did last time, mark my words.
don_dunstan
Don, you are a fascinating subject.

Just to let you know, I am literally marking your words. I'm writing down all your predictions for future reference.

Now let's analyse this one.

Last time, Labor was in power for five years nine months and 14 days, from 24th Nov 2007 to 7th Sep 2013.

If they get elected in 2019 and last for two full three year terms (i.e. closer to, or just exceeding six years) then your prediction is wrong. For your prediction to be right, they will have to be defeated after one term. For your description of 'crash and burn' to be right, they will have to be very heavily defeated after one term. Roll on 2022!

What will hurt the libs for the next few years is that to regain the masses, they will need to move back to the centre, but Labor already has a grip on it. And that's not a prediction.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, you are a fascinating subject.
Thank-you DirtyBallast, I do consider that to be a high compliment.
Just to let you know, I am literally marking your words. I'm writing down all your predictions for future reference. Now let's analyse this one. Last time, Labor was in power for five years nine months and 14 days, from 24th Nov 2007 to 7th Sep 2013. If they get elected in 2019 and last for two full three year terms (i.e. closer to, or just exceeding six years) then your prediction is wrong. For your prediction to be right, they will have to be defeated after one term. For your description of 'crash and burn' to be right, they will have to be very heavily defeated after one term. Roll on 2022! What will hurt the libs for the next few years is that to regain the masses, they will need to move back to the centre, but Labor already has a grip on it. And that's not a prediction.
My considered opinion is that we're in a paradigm-shift and that anything wild and whacky is possible; okay Shorten will probably win with a 20-25 seat majority the next time they hold an election but the endemic problems in the Aussie economy are becoming really pronounced and very difficult to ignore - and they're going to reach critical mass just as Shorten gets into office.

Firstly, we have the property crash which has been defying all predictions to pick up speed. Domain is reporting today that Sydney auctions have sunk to their lowest clearance rate in decades and in addition the values achieved for approximately the same number of properties this time last year was 47% down. Anyone who watches the key indicators of residential property would know that this is a total disaster and it's pointing to the fact that the money is draining right out of Sydney residential property (in particular). IN turn housing and construction employs more than 10% of Australians in the workforce so it doesn't take much imagination to think about what this will do to the construction industry in the coming year.

The second massive problem is that Aussie consumers are tapped out, they are tightening considerably on discretionary spending and can't possibly afford to take on any more debt as they're almost the most indebted households in the world as it is (second only to Switzerland). There's no consumption and/or stimulation fairy that will come to our rescue this time, nor will there be a China consumption/stimulation binge to save us this time either. So the only thing left is the Keynesian lever which Labor will be pushing with vigour; think Kevin Rudd funny money times a thousand. Shorten has already announced tens of billions for home solar power plants - don't think it will stop there, they'll be looking for any and all means necessary to put money into the hands of householders because they're Labor and the only thing they know in an emergency is SPEND SPEND SPEND. Only this time the Aussie dollar will collapse to reflect our terrible balance sheet... so we'll finally get the inflation that the RBA has been looking for.

I really think in another three years time we'll all be baying for Labor to be sacked - if they can make it that far. And it won't be necessarily their fault, it'll just be the fact that the neoliberal Thatcherite reforms set into train by Hawke and Keating will finally cannibalise the entire economy. Argentina here we come!

Interesting times.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The NEG is the only game in town. A lot of work went into it and it is widely supported. The extremely wrought in the Liberal Party and their mates in the media oppose it, so what!
Groundrelay
Burn coal here - burn it in modern high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) plant, sell it into the grid at cost. Aussies will have lots more money in their pockets to stave off the coming recession instead of being asked to shell out more and more billions for unreliables.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The NEG is the only game in town. A lot of work went into it and it is widely supported. The extremely wrought in the Liberal Party and their mates in the media oppose it, so what!
Burn coal here - burn it in modern high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) plant, sell it into the grid at cost. Aussies will have lots more money in their pockets to stave off the coming recession instead of being asked to shell out more and more billions for unreliables.
don_dunstan
And that's how you get thousands of high school kids taking a day off school to protest.

No one will give a damn about "the coming recession" if the effects of climate change do it anyway.

The Liberal Party is going to have to learn pretty soon that it needs to stop appealing to a base that'll be dead long before the worst impacts of its decisions come to fruition.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The NEG is the only game in town. A lot of work went into it and it is widely supported. The extremely wrought in the Liberal Party and their mates in the media oppose it, so what!
Burn coal here - burn it in modern high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) plant, sell it into the grid at cost. Aussies will have lots more money in their pockets to stave off the coming recession instead of being asked to shell out more and more billions for unreliables.
don_dunstan

How many days have we had where there has been no light for solar (ie. pitch black), no breeze and the hydro plants haven't done a thing? I bet you'll find it hard to find one when absolutely none of the renewable sources have been able to generate a thing.

We've got solar on our rooftop, a 12 panel setup and right now the weather is overcast with no shadows being cast outside from the light. It's currently kicking out 601.6 watts per second. Wind turbines don't take much of a breeze before they generate, and there's plenty of wind farms around too. Add to that the increasing prevalence of LED lightbulbs and energy efficient computers, TV's, fridges, washing machines etc. and we're using less than we used to anyway.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
How many days have we had where there has been no light for solar (ie. pitch black), no breeze and the hydro plants haven't done a thing? I bet you'll find it hard to find one when absolutely none of the renewable sources have been able to generate a thing.
Greensleeves
Britian went for nine days with no wind power earlier this year and if they hadn't imported nuclear generated electricity via an inter-connector from France they would have had blackouts.

Your little 'solar plant' is heavily subsidised by grid consumers like me. Say "thank-you" because if I wasn't being stung to pay for it you wouldn't be getting that boondoggle.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The NEG is the only game in town. A lot of work went into it and it is widely supported. The extremely wrought in the Liberal Party and their mates in the media oppose it, so what!
Burn coal here - burn it in modern high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) plant, sell it into the grid at cost. Aussies will have lots more money in their pockets to stave off the coming recession instead of being asked to shell out more and more billions for unreliables.
And that's how you get thousands of high school kids taking a day off school to protest.

No one will give a damn about "the coming recession" if the effects of climate change do it anyway.

The Liberal Party is going to have to learn pretty soon that it needs to stop appealing to a base that'll be dead long before the worst impacts of its decisions come to fruition.
potatoinmymouth
Google "sea levels 2020" and you'll find all sorts of wild predictions from the early 2000's about the sea levels being metres above where they are now. I went to the beach recently and I couldn't see any signs that the ocean is about to rise. The catastrophic affects of climate change are imaginary, they simply don't exist.

I would strongly suggest that we take any conversations about this to another thread - the one about energy - as discussed earlier this should really be kept for politics.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
How many days have we had where there has been no light for solar (ie. pitch black), no breeze and the hydro plants haven't done a thing? I bet you'll find it hard to find one when absolutely none of the renewable sources have been able to generate a thing.
Britian went for nine days with no wind power earlier this year and if they hadn't imported nuclear generated electricity via an inter-connector from France they would have had blackouts.

Your little 'solar plant' is heavily subsidised by grid consumers like me. Say "thank-you" because if I wasn't being stung to pay for it you wouldn't be getting that boondoggle.
don_dunstan

And what of the other options? I note you didn't even touch them.

Alright, thank you.

Thank you for the pittance we get in feed-back tariffs, which we then repay when it isn't kicking out as much over winter. Thank you for never mentioning that the most part of a power bill is the administration costs involved and not the usage itself. Thanks for not mentioning that it costs simply being connected to the grid and finally, thank you for continually whinging about people like me who have the thought of reducing our own bills when we can.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Thank you for the pittance we get in feed-back tariffs, which we then repay when it isn't kicking out as much over winter. Thank you for never mentioning that the most part of a power bill is the administration costs involved and not the usage itself. Thanks for not mentioning that it costs simply being connected to the grid and finally, thank you for continually whinging about people like me who have the thought of reducing our own bills when we can.
Greensleeves
Poor you.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

The NEG is the only game in town. A lot of work went into it and it is widely supported. The extremely wrought in the Liberal Party and their mates in the media oppose it, so what!
Burn coal here - burn it in modern high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) plant, sell it into the grid at cost. Aussies will have lots more money in their pockets to stave off the coming recession instead of being asked to shell out more and more billions for unreliables.
And that's how you get thousands of high school kids taking a day off school to protest.

No one will give a damn about "the coming recession" if the effects of climate change do it anyway.

The Liberal Party is going to have to learn pretty soon that it needs to stop appealing to a base that'll be dead long before the worst impacts of its decisions come to fruition.
Google "sea levels 2020" and you'll find all sorts of wild predictions from the early 2000's about the sea levels being metres above where they are now. I went to the beach recently and I couldn't see any signs that the ocean is about to rise. The catastrophic affects of climate change are imaginary, they simply don't exist.

I would strongly suggest that we take any conversations about this to another thread - the one about energy - as discussed earlier this should really be kept for politics.
don_dunstan
Wow Don, you can tell us for certain that there will not be any catastrophic effects of climate change by simply going to a beach and looking out. Seriously you are a true genius.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Wow Don, you can tell us for certain that there will not be any catastrophic effects of climate change by simply going to a beach and looking out. Seriously you are a true genius.

Michael
mejhammers1
Have a look at some of the predictions from 2003/4 about ocean levels in 2020; some projections were that we'd have at least a metre by now. People like Al Gore (whose film is now mandatory viewing for school students) and Tim Flannery were saying we'd be inundated by now or at least showing evidence of what they were talking about. So for example Flannery said maybe eight stories of water by the end of the century - which is still a long way off; Al Gore said that 20 foot rises were possible by now but qualified it by saying that the Greenland ice sheet would have to break off (which it didn't).

And that's right - I'm not a scientist but I don't see any evidence of that climate change and we have 12 months to go till 2020 - I looked out at the St Vincent Gulf and the Adelaide metro beach shoreline and it appears to have not changed one iota in twenty years. Perhaps it'll all happen at once as Gore was trying to claim? Or perhaps all the modelling about the hazard that carbon dioxide will create is BULLSH*T and they really don't know and they're just trying to sell their books and speaking tours.

In the meantime here's some anti-carbon fairy insurance that will cost the poorest Australians an arm and a leg.

NB: I have no intention of derailing this thread with this stuff again, if you want to talk about pretend fake science then please move over to any one of the dozens of threads we already have about energy.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...And that's right - I'm not a scientist but I don't see any evidence of that climate change
don_dunstan
Yes you’re not a scientist and your method is hardly scientific. BOM has very smart people, data, modelling and supercomputers yet they still get tomorrow’s weather wrong let alone next weeks. Why bother with having a weather bureau at all. Just ask Don!

The extremely wrought stopped the NEG because of that bloody minded anti climate change ideology that you share. As a result the country has an ongoing policy vacuum and nothing to guide long term investment in energy. Morrison is wasting time treading water so no surprise the polling numbers aren’t going anywhere either, even with the BS of last week.
  allan Chief Commissioner

NB: I have no intention of derailing this thread with this stuff again, if you want to talk about pretend fake science then please move over to any one of the dozens of threads we already have about energy.
don_dunstan
No! Keep the science fantasy here, where it belongs. Put the hard science into the other threads, and, perhaps move the science fantasy that is in those other threads to this one. The science fantasy is actually quite at home among the political fantasy.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Yes you’re not a scientist and your method is hardly scientific. BOM has very smart people, data, modelling and supercomputers yet they still get tomorrow’s weather wrong let alone next weeks. Why bother with having a weather bureau at all. Just ask Don!
Groundrelay
Well 'ya know I went there and I read the books and bought the tee-shirts. And then as time went by I changed my mind and decided that people like Al and Tim were barely qualified to comment let alone make predictions - and clearly the predictions associated with 2020 have left some with egg all over their faces.

As time goes by the models they're using are obviously flawed... but anyway. Maybe we should have a thread especially devoted to the climate science thing seeing as the other one on electricity prices has now turned into a rather interesting chat about home heating...

Incidentally did ScoMo do anything of note today other than fly to Whyalla to take credit for that steel plant announcement?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Johnny Howard said today that ScoMo can win the next election. I really want what he's smoking... News.com.au;

The former long-serving Liberal leader — who won federal elections in 1996, 1998, 2001 and 2004 before losing the prime ministership to Labor’s Kevin Rudd in 2007 — said Mr Morrison had a few things going for him.

“I believe Scott Morrison can win the next election,” Mr Howard said on Tuesday.

“I believe there are a number of things working in his favour.

“To start with there’s no ‘it’s time’ factor. The economy is running well and we still have a huge equity in economic management.

“And the Labor Party once again is starting to wobble on border protection. They wobbled after Mr Rudd was elected, they haven’t changed. They will wobble again if they get elected.” Labor has led the coalition 55 per cent to 45 per cent in the two-party preferred vote in the past three Newspolls, while Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has closed the gap as preferred prime minister.

I know that he's only trying to help but honestly he should be put out to pasture, nothing he says is helping I'm sure.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Johnny Howard said today that ScoMo can win the next election. I really want what he's smoking... News.com.au;

The former long-serving Liberal leader — who won federal elections in 1996, 1998, 2001 and 2004 before losing the prime ministership to Labor’s Kevin Rudd in 2007 — said Mr Morrison had a few things going for him.

“I believe Scott Morrison can win the next election,” Mr Howard said on Tuesday.

“I believe there are a number of things working in his favour.

“To start with there’s no ‘it’s time’ factor. The economy is running well and we still have a huge equity in economic management.

“And the Labor Party once again is starting to wobble on border protection. They wobbled after Mr Rudd was elected, they haven’t changed. They will wobble again if they get elected.” Labor has led the coalition 55 per cent to 45 per cent in the two-party preferred vote in the past three Newspolls, while Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has closed the gap as preferred prime minister.

I know that he's only trying to help but honestly he should be put out to pasture, nothing he says is helping I'm sure.
don_dunstan
Like Reds under the bed spooky people at the border no longer works and Sco Mo doesn't have a bloody great container ship to scare people with.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Like Reds under the bed spooky people at the border no longer works and Sco Mo doesn't have a bloody great container ship to scare people with.
nswtrains
Howard was really lucky, he had Tampa and 9/11 in quick succession, completely caught Labor flat footed. Prior to that he was on track to lose the election.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

So Howard still believes the LNP can win, as above. He said the same thing in 2007. How did that work out Johnny?
Without a 9/11 Tampa or equivalent, the following will must likely occurr. And it will be all Shortens fault.
They won't comment on, on water activities, RE sovereign borders but, sometime in April, prior to the election, suspect it will be necessary to do exactly that.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Exactly. The Libs can be relied upon to pull something out of the hat. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter ( see, "children overboard" for example.)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
So Howard still believes the LNP can win, as above. He said the same thing in 2007. How did that work out Johnny?
Without a 9/11 Tampa or equivalent, the following will must likely occurr. And it will be all Shortens fault.
They won't comment on, on water activities, RE sovereign borders but, sometime in April, prior to the election, suspect it will be necessary to do exactly that.
michaelgm
Howard says the economy is booming but there's a lot of evidence to the contrary - Michael West;

Gross debt last Friday was $537.5 billion. That is up $267.6 billion or 99.1 per cent since the 2013 election.

Since 2013, gross debt has expanded from 30.7 per cent of GDP to 41.9 per cent — up 11.2 per cent. This is the worst blow-out of all 36 OECD countries. The majority has taken advantage of the global boom and reduced debt over that period... [not us!]

...Underemployment: Workers who need to work more hours – in many cases desperately – breached one million in July 2014. It is now at a staggering 1,105,457 workers. That’s up from 7.6 per cent of the labour force when the Coalition took office to 8.3 per cent now.

...Real wage declines: Over the twelve months to September this year, wages – public and private sectors – rose just 2.29 per cent. This is only the fourth time on record the year-to-September result has been below 2.30 per cent. The other three were in 2015, 2016 and 2017. With inflation between 1.9 and 2.1 per cent this year, this is barely an increase in real terms [this in particular stops people spending]. Plus there has been deterioration in the long term jobless, productivity, household net savings, building approvals, economic freedom, national income, the nation’s net worth and the value of the Aussie dollar.

Our economy has been spinning around the toilet bowl for ages but it's the slumping housing market that will likely sink it.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Exactly. The Libs can be relied upon to pull something out of the hat. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter ( see, "children overboard" for example.)
Valvegear
Well Morrison did pull out the immigration rabbit.

Trumpeted (no pun intended) leading into COAG and the wrought wing media 'identities' were all over it. What actually transpired, no cuts at all! This wasn't about congestion, it was Morrison shoring up the Fuhrer chaser vote. Didn’t help in Victoria but there is a NSW election coming up.

In another case of the Government pandering to the extremely wrought, they wasted money on yet another ABC witch-hunt.
http://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/12/16/36/abc-sbs-meeting-competition-obligations
These gutless wonders simply can't handle serious questioning.

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