Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Does anyone actually think Bob Hawke was "working class"? The guy has multiple degrees, one of which is Law and a Rhodes Scholar. He made his millions as an outcome of being respected long standing PM and then capitalising on this in the private sector after leaving office.
He certainly sold himself as 'just a working class bloke' if you look at the promos while he was PM in the eighties; he was also really good a picking up the zeitgeist ie; jumping on board with the Australia II victory.
Note: anyone kid dreaming of being the PM, you must have either a Law Degree AND/OR be a Rhodes Scholar to have half a chance. Fraser, Rudd and Morrison being the only ones who got the job since mid 70's without.
Ben Chifley was a train driver; it's almost impossible to imagine someone without a law degree or connections rising to the top now-days. I guess the other lawyers keep them out!
don_dunstan
Who gives a sh#t. I'm supposedly aspirational but I'll never forget what is was like living on the wrong side of the ledger. Doesn't stop me from enjoying the fruits on my success and I don't get worked-up because I can now pay more tax.

Most of my circle are like RTT. It's all about how they work really hard and get taxed like b-ggery by socialist Labor governments. However they don't mind taking all that middle class welfare, and pocketing FBT benefits. Absolutely no empathy for anyone worse off. Of course they vote Liberal.

Labor will always put the broader welfare (i.e. health, education) of people ahead. For the LNP it's something they do begrudgingly ensuring enough is syphoned off for their benefactors in the private sector.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Who gives a sh#t. I'm supposedly aspirational but I'll never forget what is was like living on the wrong side of the ledger. Doesn't stop me from enjoying the fruits on my success and I don't get worked-up because I can now pay more tax.

Most of my circle are like RTT. It's all about how they work really hard and get taxed like b-ggery by socialist Labor governments. However they don't mind taking all that middle class welfare, and pocketing FBT benefits. Absolutely no empathy for anyone worse off. Of course they vote Liberal.

Labor will always put the broader welfare (i.e. health, education) of people ahead. For the LNP it's something they do begrudgingly ensuring enough is syphoned off for their benefactors in the private sector.
Groundrelay
I have a pretty diverse range of friends ranging from wealthy and extremely successful in their respective field(s) to retirees and people unable to obtain work in middle age and forced onto the dole/DSP or scraping by with dreadful casual/part-time service industry jobs. As an aside, someone I used to know who was highly successful in big-commission retail for years has now drank himself into the gutter and I've seen him in the city a few times living on the streets. His dad has been trying to help him but he's lost the plot completely, what can you do even with a caring, loving family.

It's extremely difficult to be working class now-days, if not impossible. Even in Adelaide the rents and buying is beyond the scope of people working in rubbish very low pay service industry type jobs, that's if you can get one. It's nothing like it was in the nineties when good quality semi-skilled or unskilled jobs were seemingly everywhere, the sort of jobs that paid relatively well in comparison to the cost of living. I'm lucky enough to not be in that situation of hand-to-mouth crappy service industry work but I know a lot of people who are.

My point is: The paradigm never, ever changes. Doesn't matter if the LNP or the Labor Party are in office, economic participation that we used to have is seemingly shrinking and it won't get better regardless of which side of the duopoly is in power. Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen was saying recently that anyone who expected a government that would undo any of the wonderful work done by "Free Trade" agreements would be totally wrong... and it was the Labor Party that unleashed the Thatcherite beast on our country don't forget.

You know me well enough to know where I stand on these things...
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Morrison has now added another feather to his cap - champion handballer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-20/scott-morrison-population-plan-migration-program/10921258?section=politics

Aspects of this news isn't new at all. Cutting the intake from 190,000 to 160,000, which very close to the actual intake anyway, is pure deception, but his gullible loyalists will lap it up.

The handball issue is sure to win him some votes in the capital cities which are bursting at the seams (Let's just bring in the same amount to prop up the economy, but let's hide them in the bush, eh what?) and it will also keep those regional areas in coalition hands. How? Because the growing legion of whinnying country bumpkin pensioners will never be able to see an Aussie doctor again, and that'll scare 'em senseless further towards the right.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Relax, its just the death throes of a corpse in waiting.  
How ironic that things seem to have a certain inevitability now the election is around the corner..........

Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well it's all setting a new trend. Traditionally it was the ALP which self-destructed, and now the Libs are doing it.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Morrison has now added another feather to his cap - champion handballer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-20/scott-morrison-population-plan-migration-program/10921258?section=politics

Aspects of this news isn't new at all. Cutting the intake from 190,000 to 160,000, which very close to the actual intake anyway, is pure deception, but his gullible loyalists will lap it up.
DirtyBallast
True, as it plays well to the mob and the usual suspects in the media.

Unless governments create career jobs in regions it isn't going to work. The obvious areas are health i.e. doctors!!!, and aged care. It's unlikely you'll see mass relocation of industry without huge carrots and even that would take years to make a difference.

The vast majority of jobs will remain in our major cities. We really need 21st Century infrastructure where 250+km commutes are practical.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
True, as it plays well to the mob and the usual suspects in the media.

Unless governments create career jobs in regions it isn't going to work. The obvious areas are health i.e. doctors!!!, and aged care. It's unlikely you'll see mass relocation of industry without huge carrots and even that would take years to make a difference.

The vast majority of jobs will remain in our major cities. We really need 21st Century infrastructure where 250+km commutes are practical.
Groundrelay
They're trying to apply Johnny Howard's 2003 solution to the economy - tripling the long term migrant intake. In the last few months they've created special visas for the Northern Territory and Warrnambool district for very low skill migrants such as baristas and sales managers. In the last week they've announced the same program for regional South Australia.

All that will happen is that the people who obtain these visas will hang around for a while before moving to Sydney and Melbourne. As you say there's no actual long term careers for these people there and the "skills shortages" are really a shortage of people prepared to work for below-award rates. So all these programs will do is put further downward pressure on wages and more population pressure on Sydney and Melbourne, which is where 85% of all migrants end up.

They need to come up with solutions to our present predicament that don't exacerbate the existing problems.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Interesting article in the Sydney Morning Herald today noting Morrison as scheming for the Prime Minister’s job from several years ago. I wonder why it appeared today after the NSW state election and before the federal election? Also curious why they are damaging Morrison and who will benefit from this article; Dutton or Abbott or the ALP?

I was alerted to this by a friend as I don't normally read the Sydney Morning Herald, as I am not from NSW.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/he-was-in-it-right-up-to-his-neck-how-scott-morrison-deposed-a-prime-minister-20190312-p513jl.html
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Interesting article in the Sydney Morning Herald today noting Morrison as scheming for the Prime Minister’s job from several years ago. I wonder why it appeared today after the NSW state election and before the federal election? Also curious why they are damaging Morrison and who will benefit from this article; Dutton or Abbott or the ALP?

I was alerted to this by a friend as I don't normally read the Sydney Morning Herald, as I am not from NSW.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/he-was-in-it-right-up-to-his-neck-how-scott-morrison-deposed-a-prime-minister-20190312-p513jl.html
petan
Thanks, Petan for the Link.
Timing is everything. smh displaying their political preferences? Not to damage Gladys at a state level. Likely not a bad thing.
And encouraging a federal change. So who benefits? ALP. And as the LNP are looking at a canning anyway, Abbott as opposition leader, most effective one of recent times.
Scomo's goose is cooked. And media organisations will either,

Continue to flog the dead horse or
Back the winner.
My 2 bob anyway.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
This article is a fascinating one - and one that will do damage.

There is at least one more from Hartcher on its way according to the endline in the version that appeared in The Age.  Could be more too....

Knives are out for Morrison from a range of fronts it seems....
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
One of the most telling parts for me was the varies sources of "Morrison is a schemer" claims.

From Tony Abbott, when he said Morrison wanted Hockey's treasurer job;

From Barnaby Joyce, warning Turnbull of his suspicion of Morrison's character;

And from Turnbull's backers.


Certainly gives a lot of weight to these claims, Abbott and Joyce's backers wouldn't side with Turnbull's backers on a matter like this if there wasn't a heavy element of truth to it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
How weird are the people that we've elected to govern this country... Member for Goldstein Tim Wilson submits a large number of 'public' complaints to the House of Reps. policy inquiry about franking dividend changes... (via Guardian):

The inquiry into Labor’s franking credits policy is struggling to cope with an inundation of submissions, one in five of which contain text written by its own chair, the Liberal MP Tim Wilson.

The controversial inquiry is due to finalise its report on Monday, and Wilson, as head of the House of Representatives economics committee, is currently preparing the chair’s draft.

But Wilson finds himself in an unusual position. At least 249 of the 1,300 submissions he considers will contain text that he wrote himself attacking Labor’s policy, according to a Guardian analysis.

So he wrote 249 of the complaints himself? Where did the Liberal Party find this fruit loop - !
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I saw a similar story in the USA, but with verbal submissions before a committee being made by members of the public who had been paid to do so by a lobbyist and provided with a script.

One of them then saw the Ten Commandments in the foyer of the building and then came back to the committee to admit the scam!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Who gives a sh#t. I'm supposedly aspirational but I'll never forget what is was like living on the wrong side of the ledger. Doesn't stop me from enjoying the fruits on my success and I don't get worked-up because I can now pay more tax.

Most of my circle are like RTT. It's all about how they work really hard and get taxed like b-ggery by socialist Labor governments. However they don't mind taking all that middle class welfare, and pocketing FBT benefits. Absolutely no empathy for anyone worse off. Of course they vote Liberal.

Labor will always put the broader welfare (i.e. health, education) of people ahead. For the LNP it's something they do begrudgingly ensuring enough is syphoned off for their benefactors in the private sector.
Groundrelay
Groundrelay, Misquoting me again!

Show me where I've ever stated about complaining about paying too much tax or benefits from Middle Class Welfare?

And you have no idea what I've said done or reacted to those worse off.

If those people are in your circle, don't bring me into it as they are not in mine! Suggest you find yourself a better circle to hang around with as I certainly will not associate with them.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It's interesting to see Bill Shorten making a big announcement yesterday on Electric Vehicles:
https://www.billshorten.com.au/a_strategy_for_a_cleaner_transport_future_monday_1_april_2019

The Greens are going further with plans to ban the sale of ICE vehicles and coal power stations and exports after 2030:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/greens-aim-to-end-coal-and-petrol-cars-by-2030-in-rush-to-100-renewables-79995/

I suspect this might be a gift to Morrison among much of the working class voter base.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It's interesting to see Bill Shorten making a big announcement yesterday on Electric Vehicles:
https://www.billshorten.com.au/a_strategy_for_a_cleaner_transport_future_monday_1_april_2019

The Greens are going further with plans to ban the sale of ICE vehicles and coal power stations and exports after 2030:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/greens-aim-to-end-coal-and-petrol-cars-by-2030-in-rush-to-100-renewables-79995/

I suspect this might be a gift to Morrison among much of the working class voter base.
Carnot
Shorten's announcement is reminiscent of "cash for clunkers" - Labor really don't care about where the money is coming from, do they.

Did anyone watch Four Corners last night - didn't even consider the fact that carbon is not a pollutant and there's nothing we can do that will affect the outcome anyway. Even then if we really do have to close the coal-fired capacity then why not build nuclear plants in places like Port Pirie, Portland etc?

100% renewables is impossible, you can't drive a modern nation on that - Germany found that out. We really should look at nuclear as an option if this stupid madness is to continue.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It's interesting to see Bill Shorten making a big announcement yesterday on Electric Vehicles:
https://www.billshorten.com.au/a_strategy_for_a_cleaner_transport_future_monday_1_april_2019

The Greens are going further with plans to ban the sale of ICE vehicles and coal power stations and exports after 2030:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/greens-aim-to-end-coal-and-petrol-cars-by-2030-in-rush-to-100-renewables-79995/

I suspect this might be a gift to Morrison among much of the working class voter base.
Shorten's announcement is reminiscent of "cash for clunkers" - Labor really don't care about where the money is coming from, do they.

Did anyone watch Four Corners last night - didn't even consider the fact that carbon is not a pollutant and there's nothing we can do that will affect the outcome anyway. Even then if we really do have to close the coal-fired capacity then why not build nuclear plants in places like Port Pirie, Portland etc?

100% renewables is impossible, you can't drive a modern nation on that - Germany found that out. We really should look at nuclear as an option if this stupid madness is to continue.
don_dunstan
Nuclear is stupid expensive.  We're better off with renewables and batteries/pumped hydro.

The issue with mandating EV's is market distortion and a lack of consideration for vehicles that require range and other special purposes (ie. Agriculture and remote area transport).
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

With respect to EVs, it is great that the pollies are looking to introduce policies to make our air much cleaner however, setting target dates and with the NRMA pushing this as well is not the right approach. Business will decide when it will no longer be economical for them to make motors powered by fossil fuels. This will be because there is a business case and consumers are no longer buying petrol or diesel powered cars.

Right now, consumers are dictating that more efficient engined cars be manufactured. Not sure if there is anything further to read into it.

A lot of the ALP mantra is being directed towards the green voters.

Despite what appears to be rats leaving a sinking ship, and the problems that the Nats pose for our current PM, he is managing it quite well. On his own, he has shown that he can run large portfolios as minister.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Nuclear is stupid expensive.  We're better off with renewables and batteries/pumped hydro.

The issue with mandating EV's is market distortion and a lack of consideration for vehicles that require range and other special purposes (ie. Agriculture and remote area transport).
Carnot
No. Germany proved 100% renewables can't be done, they ended up importing heaps of nice, reliable nuclear power from France before they had to admit defeat and re-start their coal plants.

You people are living a Luddite fantasy, it simply can't be done.

Even the economics of electric cars are not there because of our extremely high electricity tariffs - 47 cents an hour average here in South Australia, in the United States the average is around 8 cents. So the economics of electric cars in Australia make them much less competitive simply because everything is so bloody expensive here.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
With respect to EVs, it is great that the pollies are looking to introduce policies to make our air much cleaner however, setting target dates and with the NRMA pushing this as well is not the right approach. Business will decide when it will no longer be economical for them to make motors powered by fossil fuels. This will be because there is a business case and consumers are no longer buying petrol or diesel powered cars.

Right now, consumers are dictating that more efficient engined cars be manufactured. Not sure if there is anything further to read into it.

A lot of the ALP mantra is being directed towards the green voters.

ANR
Its pretty pointless Australia getting on the "phase out by X" train because currently there are less than half a dozen models of EV made for RHD Australia and most of these are actually classified as luxury cars. So until things change, its completely pointless discussion and just chest beating anyway.

At the end of the day Australia will follow the global trend whether mandated or by lack of choice. As most of the luxury car makers have announced an end of of ICE development and predicted production, its now a case of time.

The govt should however focus on support of the EV technology, ie
- charging stations
- standards for charging
- infrastructure
- converting road revenue from fuel tax to other so EV's pay their way

and most importantly power availability and power price. If 50% of Australian cars were converted to EV our grid's would collapse. We don't have the power to charge more than 10% 'ish of the car fleet at night and we certainly don't have it during the day all too often. The Australian power grid needs to add 50% more generation capacity and this at a time when the old reliable coal that currently supplies 65-70% of the grid is being phased out over the next 25 years. So not only do we need to find an economic solution to replace this, we need to find it all again to run EV's.

I don't think the average person actually understands that the Tesla or equivalent they plan to buy one day in the future uses on average more power than their house uses a day. IF you were a three car family, ie mum, dad, older child all running EV's the average house grid connection may simply not have enough capacity to charge all three cars every day.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Josh Frydenburg's first (and probably last) budget as Australian Treasurer - with a touted surplus that will probably never emerge.

Odds-on there will be an early May election called tomorrow.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Josh Frydenburg's first (and probably last) budget as Australian Treasurer - with a touted surplus that will probably never emerge.

Odds-on there will be an early May election called tomorrow.
don_dunstan
I am hearing it may be called on Sunday
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
One thing I can't help but notice hasn't been queried is the one-off payment to single parents etc. for power bills (what was it? about $250ish?).

Sure, it helps pay one, maybe two bills at a stretch, but what happens after that?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
With respect to EVs, it is great that the pollies are looking to introduce policies to make our air much cleaner however, setting target dates and with the NRMA pushing this as well is not the right approach. Business will decide when it will no longer be economical for them to make motors powered by fossil fuels. This will be because there is a business case and consumers are no longer buying petrol or diesel powered cars.

Right now, consumers are dictating that more efficient engined cars be manufactured. Not sure if there is anything further to read into it.
ANR
From the interview that I heard with the NRMA bloke on the radio their advocacy is more to do with the fact that Australia which now imports all of it's cars will not be able to source enough fossil fuel powered cars in X years to meet demand.

With many countries OS mandating EVs companies like VW are no longer investing in non EV engine technology.

So if we continue down the current path we may end up in the position where we have consumers wanting to buy cars that do not exist.

It was a very interesting interview indeed, I had never thought about it from that perspective before.

BG

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