Suburban Rail Loop (Election promise)

 
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Have to agree with John on this one.

Car Parks are prime real-estate. The fact that there is no direct connection to Southland Station is a massive problem.

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Ditto for Deakin as well, a 250m walk to be dumped in the carpark. Burwood should have been pushed as close as possible to Benettswood Reserve as possible to allow an underground connection.

Lets see what else is shaved off this project in the years ahead.

Lockie
Lockie91
Can only repeat.

SRL Cheltenham being north of Bay Rd is not ideal, but there is not any realistic alternative. The proposed station entrance is not very distant from Bay Rd footpath.
Moving the Southland platforms north to meet that SRL entrance is an option to minimise the problem.

SRL Burwood station box is not able to go near Bennetswood Reserve. It's buried crap.
The closest you might get is trenching thru Burwood Hwy . That disruption will not happen.

cheers
the other John

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  Upven Train Controller

The station locations as they're planned now, may not reflect the size and location of Southland SC or Deakin University in the future. Food for thought, but malls and university campuses are generally ever-expanding.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Here's where you'll be able to get your pics and foam over the stock.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looks like a large parcel of land by those roads surrounding.  I wonder how many cars they will be looking to store or will this be maintenance only?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Looks like a large parcel of land by those roads surrounding.  I wonder how many cars they will be looking to store or will this be maintenance only?
bevans
I think they're storing the whole Stage 1 fleet? Would be pretty difficult/expensive to build sites anywhere else.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
  Tii Train Controller

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
chomper
It's a hole in every state and federal finances. It will be a slow haul out of it but they could just get those dodging tax to actually pay and reserve some royalties from from everything we dig up. Plenty of cash gone elsewhere and not used for infrastructure. Timelines might slow/pause briefly but will pick up again soon after.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come.
chomper
What happened, did the ghost of Henry Bolte come back?
  Yappo Locomotive Fireman

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
chomper
Your "news" on your so called grapevine is clearly a complete "poopshow" perhaps fed by crazy anti-vaxers and QAnon type loonies? To suggest that, "there will be no SRL......nor anything else for PT for decades to come" is an absolutely farcical and nonsensical assertion.

You obviously know little about Vic ALP econimic policy. Even the Fed & NSW Libs have signed up to Kenysian economic polices during the Covid downturn - they threw their previous fiscal ideology out the window, no more 'debt and deficit' issues. They are most happy to spend and invest their way out of a downturn as most govts around the world are indeed also doing.

The "massive hole" may not be so massive by May given the previous post lockdown bounce back (loads of pent up spending) and with the booming housing market this year those state coffers are raking in greater than forecast stamp duties. You perhaps also forget that debt servicing costs are much cheaper than they have been for decades highlighted by Fed debt being twice what is was a few years ago but repayments being much cheaper now. It really is the best time to build major infastructure projects.

MM2 was unlikely to get a go ahead before the end of the decade once SRL became the main big spend project. SRL is literally about to start next year 6 months before the Nov election. It is a big part of the ALPs reelection platform and the govts post-Covid recovery program. Also, starting works next year will be MARL as funding is already committed. Aslo, funding from the Feds for Geelong HSR which should start work in 2023/4. LXR program will continue. Thereafter, electrification to Melton and Wydnham Vale by the end of the decade. Perhaps the ext to Clyde too?

So that's 3 major PT projects starting in the next 2 years. Melbourne has grown by nearly 2m since the Kennett cuts and it on the way to 8m by 2050. It would be electoral suicide for any party to even canvass the idea of imposing cuts of the scope that you absurdly suggest.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
Your "news" on your so called grapevine is clearly a complete "poopshow" perhaps fed by crazy anti-vaxers and QAnon type loonies? To suggest that, "there will be no SRL......nor anything else for PT for decades to come" is an absolutely farcical and nonsensical assertion.

You obviously know little about Vic ALP econimic policy. Even the Fed & NSW Libs have signed up to Kenysian economic polices during the Covid downturn - they threw their previous fiscal ideology out the window, no more 'debt and deficit' issues. They are most happy to spend and invest their way out of a downturn as most govts around the world are indeed also doing.

The "massive hole" may not be so massive by May given the previous post lockdown bounce back (loads of pent up spending) and with the booming housing market this year those state coffers are raking in greater than forecast stamp duties. You perhaps also forget that debt servicing costs are much cheaper than they have been for decades highlighted by Fed debt being twice what is was a few years ago but repayments being much cheaper now. It really is the best time to build major infastructure projects.

MM2 was unlikely to get a go ahead before the end of the decade once SRL became the main big spend project. SRL is literally about to start next year 6 months before the Nov election. It is a big part of the ALPs reelection platform and the govts post-Covid recovery program. Also, starting works next year will be MARL as funding is already committed. Aslo, funding from the Feds for Geelong HSR which should start work in 2023/4. LXR program will continue. Thereafter, electrification to Melton and Wydnham Vale by the end of the decade. Perhaps the ext to Clyde too?

So that's 3 major PT projects starting in the next 2 years. Melbourne has grown by nearly 2m since the Kennett cuts and it on the way to 8m by 2050. It would be electoral suicide for any party to even canvass the idea of imposing cuts of the scope that you absurdly suggest.
Yappo

Your delusion is comical.

I have no idea how and why you would bring up anything to do with vaccination and the "Q" crap from the US. The fiscal bomb transcends party politics like never before in the history of Federation. It doesn't matter which team is at the helm, no amount of Keynesian insanity will be able to sort out the finances of the nation and specifically Victoria and NSW. Any new bonds issued by the states and the federal government will be worth less than belly lint. The RBA won't be as stupid as the US Fed and become the literal lender of last resort.

And you conveniently left out the fact that people are leaving Victoria en masse:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victorian-population-shrinks-by-size-of-wodonga-as-pandemic-exodus-hits-20210916-p58s6w.html

This exodus is only accelerating, so this population growth Ponzi scheme has run its course.
  Tii Train Controller

Can we return to the suburban rail loop topic please now
  Yappo Locomotive Fireman

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
Your "news" on your so called grapevine is clearly a complete "poopshow" perhaps fed by crazy anti-vaxers and QAnon type loonies? To suggest that, "there will be no SRL......nor anything else for PT for decades to come" is an absolutely farcical and nonsensical assertion.

You obviously know little about Vic ALP econimic policy. Even the Fed & NSW Libs have signed up to Kenysian economic polices during the Covid downturn - they threw their previous fiscal ideology out the window, no more 'debt and deficit' issues. They are most happy to spend and invest their way out of a downturn as most govts around the world are indeed also doing.

The "massive hole" may not be so massive by May given the previous post lockdown bounce back (loads of pent up spending) and with the booming housing market this year those state coffers are raking in greater than forecast stamp duties. You perhaps also forget that debt servicing costs are much cheaper than they have been for decades highlighted by Fed debt being twice what is was a few years ago but repayments being much cheaper now. It really is the best time to build major infastructure projects.

MM2 was unlikely to get a go ahead before the end of the decade once SRL became the main big spend project. SRL is literally about to start next year 6 months before the Nov election. It is a big part of the ALPs reelection platform and the govts post-Covid recovery program. Also, starting works next year will be MARL as funding is already committed. Aslo, funding from the Feds for Geelong HSR which should start work in 2023/4. LXR program will continue. Thereafter, electrification to Melton and Wydnham Vale by the end of the decade. Perhaps the ext to Clyde too?

So that's 3 major PT projects starting in the next 2 years. Melbourne has grown by nearly 2m since the Kennett cuts and it on the way to 8m by 2050. It would be electoral suicide for any party to even canvass the idea of imposing cuts of the scope that you absurdly suggest.

Your delusion is comical.

I have no idea how and why you would bring up anything to do with vaccination and the "Q" crap from the US. The fiscal bomb transcends party politics like never before in the history of Federation. It doesn't matter which team is at the helm, no amount of Keynesian insanity will be able to sort out the finances of the nation and specifically Victoria and NSW. Any new bonds issued by the states and the federal government will be worth less than belly lint. The RBA won't be as stupid as the US Fed and become the literal lender of last resort.

And you conveniently left out the fact that people are leaving Victoria en masse:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victorian-population-shrinks-by-size-of-wodonga-as-pandemic-exodus-hits-20210916-p58s6w.html

This exodus is only accelerating, so this population growth Ponzi scheme has run its course.
chomper
Seriously, first you absurdly state " there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. " I literally pointed out 3 major PT projects that are due to start in the next 2 years, 2 of them before next years election.

Your statement is so patently farcial that the rumours can only have come from the crazy anti-vaxer types. You offered no stats, details or financial discourse to back up your assertion, just an all encompasing, absolute "nor anything else for PT for decades to come". You didn't even try to qualify such an patently absurd statement.

Now, you want to state that the sky is falling, everyone is leaving en masse (which you never mentioned, but which is statiscally insignificant given the numbers) and that we have a fiscal bomb like no other in history! Ever heard of the Great recession and perhaps the post war period?  That immigration Ponzi scheme as you call it has been run by the Feds for the last 15 years so you might want to discuss it with them. International migration will ramp up again in the next 2 years and 75% of migrants come to both Sydney and Melbourne.

There is an easy proof if you are right and we don't even need to wait until  works start later next year on both the MARL and the SRL. If you are correct, then the state budget in May will announce "such a massive hole in the state finances" that the govt will be left with no option but to cancel all 3 major projects (plus a bunch of other tram and bus programs) at that point;
1) SRL,
2) MARL (unless the Feds provide another 5 billion)
3) Geelong HSR

And according to you, they will start implementing "The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic." Thus, we'll see loads of bus, tram and train service schedules cut and some lines closed.

So when these projects are cancelled and service cutbucks are announcced in the May state budget, you are most welcome to return to this thread and tell everyone - especially me - how the rumour and your prediction were completely correct. Also, that we will have no new PT projects for "decades to come". You only have to wait until May to be proven correct.....
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
Your "news" on your so called grapevine is clearly a complete "poopshow" perhaps fed by crazy anti-vaxers and QAnon type loonies? To suggest that, "there will be no SRL......nor anything else for PT for decades to come" is an absolutely farcical and nonsensical assertion.

This exodus is only accelerating, so this population growth Ponzi scheme has run its course.
chomper

The population Ponzi hasn't even started.  There is a push to have the permanent migration cap increased to 180k per annum and to have the temporary worker visa program to bring 2 million people in 5 years.

All of these projects will be just as needed as they were in 2019.
  BaysideManny Train Controller

If my "news" is accurate, there will be no SRL, no Metro 2 nor anything else for PT for decades to come. The news on my grapevine is that the beer virus poopshow has created such a massive hole in the state finances, there'll be no money for anything. The cutbacks that will be required to make up these deficits will be so severe, they would make the efforts of the Kennett government look like a Sunday picnic.
Your "news" on your so called grapevine is clearly a complete "poopshow" perhaps fed by crazy anti-vaxers and QAnon type loonies? To suggest that, "there will be no SRL......nor anything else for PT for decades to come" is an absolutely farcical and nonsensical assertion.

You obviously know little about Vic ALP econimic policy. Even the Fed & NSW Libs have signed up to Kenysian economic polices during the Covid downturn - they threw their previous fiscal ideology out the window, no more 'debt and deficit' issues. They are most happy to spend and invest their way out of a downturn as most govts around the world are indeed also doing.

The "massive hole" may not be so massive by May given the previous post lockdown bounce back (loads of pent up spending) and with the booming housing market this year those state coffers are raking in greater than forecast stamp duties. You perhaps also forget that debt servicing costs are much cheaper than they have been for decades highlighted by Fed debt being twice what is was a few years ago but repayments being much cheaper now. It really is the best time to build major infastructure projects.

MM2 was unlikely to get a go ahead before the end of the decade once SRL became the main big spend project. SRL is literally about to start next year 6 months before the Nov election. It is a big part of the ALPs reelection platform and the govts post-Covid recovery program. Also, starting works next year will be MARL as funding is already committed. Aslo, funding from the Feds for Geelong HSR which should start work in 2023/4. LXR program will continue. Thereafter, electrification to Melton and Wydnham Vale by the end of the decade. Perhaps the ext to Clyde too?

So that's 3 major PT projects starting in the next 2 years. Melbourne has grown by nearly 2m since the Kennett cuts and it on the way to 8m by 2050. It would be electoral suicide for any party to even canvass the idea of imposing cuts of the scope that you absurdly suggest.

Your delusion is comical.

I have no idea how and why you would bring up anything to do with vaccination and the "Q" crap from the US. The fiscal bomb transcends party politics like never before in the history of Federation. It doesn't matter which team is at the helm, no amount of Keynesian insanity will be able to sort out the finances of the nation and specifically Victoria and NSW. Any new bonds issued by the states and the federal government will be worth less than belly lint. The RBA won't be as stupid as the US Fed and become the literal lender of last resort.

And you conveniently left out the fact that people are leaving Victoria en masse:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victorian-population-shrinks-by-size-of-wodonga-as-pandemic-exodus-hits-20210916-p58s6w.html

This exodus is only accelerating, so this population growth Ponzi scheme has run its course.
chomper
And you conveniently left out the fact that people are leaving Victoria en masse:

Yeah after years of having population growth. Between 2019 and 2020 Vic pop grew by 210,000, the pop of Wodonga is 35,000.

Yeah en masse.


Mannie
  Tony M. Junior Train Controller

Recent economic thinking is moving away from the old "balanced budget" idea and more towards the concept that the role of government taxation is to keep money circulating. If you let people (mostly the well off in the community) keep their money, they just hoard it or invest it in high return schemes that do little for the economy, ie buying up established housing stock. Whereas the money taken off them in the form of taxes is then spent by the government, putting it back into circulation for the benefit of all.

Even so-called "wasteful" projects do good - people are employed, wages are paid, companies make profits, and so on, keeping the economy going. A decade or more of austerity overseas has provided plenty of evidence that cutting government spending in a quest for a balanced budget only strangles the economy, making the chances of repaying loans even more unlikely.

So yeah, in the medium term at least big spending projects are here to stay. The only difference in Victoria is that whenever the Liberals ever get back in they'll be spending up big on roads instead of rail.
  Upven Train Controller

And you conveniently left out the fact that people are leaving Victoria en masse:

Yeah after years of having population growth. Between 2019 and 2020 Vic pop grew by 210,000, the pop of Wodonga is 35,000.

Yeah en masse.


Mannie
BaysideManny
You don't have to like what he says, but he's not wrong about population growth. We're down 43,000+ (or more depending on how you count it)

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victorian-population-shrinks-by-size-of-wodonga-as-pandemic-exodus-hits-20210916-p58s6w.html
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
And you conveniently left out the fact that people are leaving Victoria en masse:

Yeah after years of having population growth. Between 2019 and 2020 Vic pop grew by 210,000, the pop of Wodonga is 35,000.

Yeah en masse.


Mannie
You don't have to like what he says, but he's not wrong about population growth. We're down 43,000+ (or more depending on how you count it)

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victorian-population-shrinks-by-size-of-wodonga-as-pandemic-exodus-hits-20210916-p58s6w.html
Upven
True, but that is clearly tied to the pandemic. I would not be surprised if the trend reverses to pre-pandemic behaviour over the next couple of years.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Any discussion about Melbourne's Covid-related population drop needs to bear in mind that we receive about 200,000+ international students every year, who currently aren't here.  

That population stream will start up again end of this year and into next.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

The government has released the EES on the 8th November, with no fanfare.

Fully digital ESS with interactive maps, much easier to scrutinise than 400 pages and static maps.

Skimming the top, the size and impact of the project is going to be massive. Each of the station sites is to be bulldozed and cut and covered, then redeveloped into new activity zones (with the hope that the will stimulate further Devlopment in the surrounding area). Its going to have substantial impact on places like Clayton where half the shopping strip around the station will become a construction site for 5 of so years.

Will post some further thoughts.

ESS Baby!

Lockie
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Invitation for feedback

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/suburban-rail-loop-feedback-invited
  Tii Train Controller

Looking over the EES, there are 3 TBM launch sites- so can we assume 3 pairs of TBM's working simultaneously then to get through all the tunnelling over 5-6 years ? and 25kV power I read.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/scott-morrison-rejects-daniel-andrews-funding-request-for-suburban-rail-loop
No money from Scomo for that project. What has become of the funding for Geelong fast rail ?
  BaysideManny Train Controller

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/scott-morrison-rejects-daniel-andrews-funding-request-for-suburban-rail-loop
No money from Scomo for that project. What has become of the funding for Geelong fast rail ?
freightgate
Hopefully Geelong Fast Rail will be dumped. Ill thought through project.

Mannie
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/scott-morrison-rejects-daniel-andrews-funding-request-for-suburban-rail-loop
No money from Scomo for that project. What has become of the funding for Geelong fast rail ?
freightgate
I would never expect a single cent from any Liberal government when it comes to rail transport.
  Tony M. Junior Train Controller

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/scott-morrison-rejects-daniel-andrews-funding-request-for-suburban-rail-loop
No money from Scomo for that project. What has become of the funding for Geelong fast rail ?
I would never expect a single cent from any Liberal government when it comes to rail transport.
Heihachi_73
Anything with "public" in the name - hospitals, schools, transport, broadcasting - is on the chopping block when the Liberals are in power. It's their basic point of difference from Labor: if you think money is better spent by individuals than governments (unless it's defense, or supporting fossil fuels, or handouts to corporate Australia, and so on), vote Liberal.

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