Suburban Rail Loop (Election promise)

 
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
?.......... Otherwise, all people would still be able to get to their destination with only one change of trains from the airport. Expecting people to change trains to get into the CBD isn't unreasonable either. I'm pretty sure you have to do this in Singapore to get from the little East/West line branch to the airport onto the mainline.
reubstar6
Yeh, thought that was the nonsense @True Believers was on about.

On what planet do youz think that an Airport train that doesn't go to the CBD is a good idea?
The passenger catchment of visitors would be ZERO.

Singapore, sure you must change trains and  about 12 stops.  It's terrible, and visitors don't use it. Taxi is easier and cheap.

A plan by gunzels that don't consider the market. You may as well forget about doing Airport completely.

cheers
John

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
?.......... Otherwise, all people would still be able to get to their destination with only one change of trains from the airport. Expecting people to change trains to get into the CBD isn't unreasonable either. I'm pretty sure you have to do this in Singapore to get from the little East/West line branch to the airport onto the mainline.
Yeh, thought that was the nonsense @True Believers was on about.

On what planet do youz think that an Airport train that doesn't go to the CBD is a good idea?
The passenger catchment of visitors would be ZERO.

Singapore, sure you must change trains and  about 12 stops.  It's terrible, and visitors don't use it. Taxi is easier and cheap.

A plan by gunzels that don't consider the market. You may as well forget about doing Airport completely.

cheers
John
justarider
The one in Singapore wasn't well used even when trains did run into the city.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Stabling locations announced

Suburban Rail Loop’s fleet of new trains will be stored, cleaned and maintained in a new stabling facility, with a preferred site identified on Old Dandenong Road in Heatherton.
Somebody

interesting.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Stabling locations announced

Suburban Rail Loop’s fleet of new trains will be stored, cleaned and maintained in a new stabling facility, with a preferred site identified on Old Dandenong Road in Heatherton.

interesting.
bevans
A brave decision minister. Building on sand, what could go wrong?


https://suburbanrailloop.vic.gov.au/Have-Your-Say/Stage-One-train-stabling

On the bright side, the facilty needs to be open air, and hence normally tunels need to come up for breath.
In this case the open air has already dug down to be near enough the tunnel.

Cheers
John
  John E Locomotive Fireman

Looks like some small lake in the middle of the land which will need to be drained. Maybe this is artificial. Hopefully this and clearing the rest of the land won't be too difficult a job.

A good place to launch and retrieve TBM's as well?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Looks like some small lake in the middle of the land which will need to be drained. Maybe this is artificial. Hopefully this and clearing the rest of the land won't be too difficult a job.

A good place to launch and retrieve TBM's as well?
John E
Hire Mr Trump. He's looking for another opportunity to "drain the swamp".

Seriously yes,  good launching place.
Might even get creative and use the rock/dirt/whatever dug out to stabilise the site.

cheers
John
  Upven Junior Train Controller
  Carnot Minister for Railways

SRL will be AC power. Lots of great stuff in EES:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-ees-process-outlined
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

SRL will be AC power. Lots of great stuff in EES:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-ees-process-outlined
Carnot
Which almost instantly preclude it from eventually being the MARL. Great news.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
SRL will be AC power. Lots of great stuff in EES:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-ees-process-outlined
Which almost instantly preclude it from eventually being the MARL. Great news.
John.Z
It's not news, just @Carnot speculating again.

The EES announcement, and associated links, says nothing about the power system.
Of course you could speculate that the train environment will require Air Conditioning.

cheers
John
  Carnot Minister for Railways

SRL will be AC power. Lots of great stuff in EES:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-ees-process-outlined
Which almost instantly preclude it from eventually being the MARL. Great news.
It's not news, just @Carnot speculating again.

The EES announcement, and associated links, says nothing about the power system.
Of course you could speculate that the train environment will require Air Conditioning.

cheers
John
justarider
Not really speculation.  See here for more revelations:
https://suburbanrailloop.vic.gov.au/-/media/Project/VicRoads/SuburbanRailLoop/Planning-page/Suburban-Rail-Loop-Stage-One-Project-Outline.pdf

Pg 22: "The potential impacts associated with EMI have been substantially mitigated through the adoption of an AC Power supply. The magnetic field induced by AC current is substantially less than that of Direct Current, which has been used by Metro Tunnel."
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Interesting to see that the actual SRL line itself will emerge from the tunnels at the site of the stabling yard for access to it before going back underground. For some reason I expected it to stay underground with a couple of portals used exclusively for the yard.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
SRL will be AC power. Lots of great stuff in EES:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-ees-process-outlined
Which almost instantly preclude it from eventually being the MARL. Great news.
It's not news, just @Carnot speculating again.

The EES announcement, and associated links, says nothing about the power system.
Of course you could speculate that the train environment will require Air Conditioning.

cheers
John
Not really speculation.  See here for more revelations:
https://suburbanrailloop.vic.gov.au/-/media/Project/VicRoads/SuburbanRailLoop/Planning-page/Suburban-Rail-Loop-Stage-One-Project-Outline.pdf

Pg 22: "The potential impacts associated with EMI have been substantially mitigated through the adoption of an AC Power supply. The magnetic field induced by AC current is substantially less than that of Direct Current, which has been used by Metro Tunnel."
Carnot
Thanks for the relevant document. Clears that up. Page 14  
"Trains would operate on Alternating Current (AC) power supply serviced by the zone substations outlined in Section 3.1.5"
doesn't mince any words about it. Only 2 sub stations makes certain.

As far as the issues arrising from EMI, can only conclude that tunneling next  to Peter Mac Hospital caused a lot more problems that hitherto revealed.

cheers
John
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Interesting to see that the actual SRL line itself will emerge from the tunnels at the site of the stabling yard for access to it before going back underground. For some reason I expected it to stay underground with a couple of portals used exclusively for the yard.
reubstar6
Starting to make sense, in light of the doc that @Carnot revealed.

The nasties underground at the landfill are uncertain.
Tunelling through it and having to dispose of spoil, could be problematic and expensive. Avoiding that for little, if any, inconvenience is a smart move.

cheers
John
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
SRL will be AC power. Lots of great stuff in EES:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/suburban-rail-loop-ees-process-outlined
Which almost instantly preclude it from eventually being the MARL. Great news.
It's not news, just @Carnot speculating again.

The EES announcement, and associated links, says nothing about the power system.
Of course you could speculate that the train environment will require Air Conditioning.

cheers
John
Not really speculation.  See here for more revelations:
https://suburbanrailloop.vic.gov.au/-/media/Project/VicRoads/SuburbanRailLoop/Planning-page/Suburban-Rail-Loop-Stage-One-Project-Outline.pdf

Pg 22: "The potential impacts associated with EMI have been substantially mitigated through the adoption of an AC Power supply. The magnetic field induced by AC current is substantially less than that of Direct Current, which has been used by Metro Tunnel."
Carnot
Thanks for the link Carnot, very interesting to see more detail in writing, especially about station and substation locations.

Neil
  John E Locomotive Fireman

Something interesting in Operations Overview on Page 14

"The service would be a modern, metro style service operating at speeds at up to 100 km/h."

I though SRL was going to operate up to 130-140km/h. Surely they can operate up to 120km/h no problems, particularly with the distance between some of the stations.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Still beats the Lilydale/Belgrave line which is lucky to hit 60 while running express.
  Upven Junior Train Controller

I wondered how long it would take before the NIMBYs arrived.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/suburban-rail-loop-set-to-thwart-decades-old-parks-plan-20210114-p56u4y.html


Never mind the fact that there already are soccer fields and multiple parks within ~2km (Karkarook Park, Kingston Heath Soccer Complex, etc).
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
I wondered how long it would take before the NIMBYs arrived.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/suburban-rail-loop-set-to-thwart-decades-old-parks-plan-20210114-p56u4y.html


Never mind the fact that there already are soccer fields and multiple parks within ~2km (Karkarook Park, Kingston Heath Soccer Complex, etc).
Upven
and not to forget the 8ha (that's 20 acres to us oldies) horse paddock to the north of those complaining houses,
and the humongous ring of green golfbelt.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

I wondered how long it would take before the NIMBYs arrived.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/suburban-rail-loop-set-to-thwart-decades-old-parks-plan-20210114-p56u4y.html


Never mind the fact that there already are soccer fields and multiple parks within ~2km (Karkarook Park, Kingston Heath Soccer Complex, etc).
Upven

Astroturfing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Residents and councils not happy with proposed stabling location

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/train-stabling-decision-devastated-community
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yep. Incompatible electrical system and possibly a different gauge.

  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
This is not a shock announcement, from day dot the gov have said they'll have two parts U/C and open before 2030 - the Cheltenham (southland) to Box Hill and Airport line segments.  Logic dictated then as it does now that the SRL will be a patchwork.
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

Just today Jacinta Allan (SRL Minister)’s Facebook posted another promotional video. Main highlights are that Cheltenham - Box Hill is > 1 hour with current PT, but 22 minutes with SRL. PT trips between CBD and Monash Uni (Clayton) will be shortened 17 minutes by SRL. Average of 3-4 minutes between each station.

My concern is the western sections. We have the longer South-eastern and North-eastern sections terminating at Airport and Cheltenham, meaning a Broadmeadows - Werribee trip is a transfer at Airport and Sunshine. My proposal is to continue SRL past the Airport to Watergardens, Caroline Springs, Truganina, then Werribee. Some more billions.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
My expectation is that Cheltenham - Airport will take at least 15 years to complete and they haven't even started construction yet. That will mean probably 2036 - 2038 before you can catch an SRL train from Cheltenham all of the way to the airport.

After that section is complete, maybe then a proper Airport - Watergardens - Caroline Springs - Tarneit - Werribee section may happen.

Remember, the original announcement did not have it complete until 2050.

I am not saying that it is a great thing that we may have to wait another 30 years, just that it is at the very least consistent.

meaning a Broadmeadows - Werribee trip is a transfer at Airport and Sunshine
Jordy33

I would have thought to get from Broadmeadows to Werribee you would just continue to change trains at North Melbourne.

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