South Brisbane Yard the boundary for NSW Goods

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Discovered this today which shows the extent of South Brisbane Yard in 1958 where NSW Gauge and Queensland Gauge met for passenger and freight.


Does any of this yard still exist today?

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Discovered this today which shows the extent of South Brisbane Yard in 1958 where NSW Gauge and Queensland Gauge met for passenger and freight.
Does any of this yard still exist today?
bevans
I posted that 1950s plan from my Google Drive onto a Railpage thread yonks ago and glad you have noticed. Those who attended EXPO88 thirty years ago may have noticed the standard gauge yard was replaced by a sideshow linked to EXPO88, thus the yard has been gone for at least that long. Passenger operations went across the river to Roma St in 1986 and the freight side shifted accordingly. EDIT; freight moved to Clapham / Acacia Ridge as appropriate

Modern Sth Brisbane with both gauges shown http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/Brisbane/QR391.pdf

Late edit; present day use of the 1930 opened South Brisbane standard gauge passenger and freight yard site is the Brisbane Convention Centre https://www.bcec.com.au/
  raymond Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gladstone, Queensland
On the plan top left on platform 1/2 there is a box show n on the track and under the platforms



Any idea  what it is?




RAYMOND
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
On the plan top left on platform 1/2 there is a box show n on the track and under the platforms
 Any idea  what it is?
RAYMOND
raymond
If the city end of those platforms, isn't that the proposed but not built traverser? Something tells me that has been discussed on Railpage before but I can't find the reference. The Weston Langford image is  http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/113775/

On of the Facebooks groups notes that it was built as a traverser pit although yet to see a photo showing an actual traverser.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
If the city end of those platforms, isn't that the proposed but not built traverser? Something tells me that has been discussed on Railpage before but I can't find the reference.
petan

I remember some discussion of this some years back, not sure if it was here, the QRIG Yahoo! Group or perhaps the QRIG IRC chat. At any rate I don't remember any solid conclusion being formed! There were a few theories.
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

If the city end of those platforms, isn't that the proposed but not built traverser? Something tells me that has been discussed on Railpage before but I can't find the reference.

I remember some discussion of this some years back, not sure if it was here, the QRIG Yahoo! Group or perhaps the QRIG IRC chat. At any rate I don't remember any solid conclusion being formed! There were a few theories.
Graham4405
There was a discussion on this on facebook group QLDRAILDAYSGONEBY in December 2005.

After some investigation I commented:
It was intended to install a traverser and the gaps under the platforms were to allow for it. But it was never installed.

In reply to a question about the crossover I said:
The crossover that was installed allowed for an engine to be released without the use of a second engine. This was common practice throughout the world. A traverser would only take up the space on one engine length and thus allow for a longer length of "usable" platform space.

Link for members of that group https://www.facebook.com/groups/QLDRAILDAYSGONEBY/permalink/416518001873441/
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Were the Clapham SG & NG goods sidings opened at the same time as South Brisbane, or at a later date?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Were the Clapham SG & NG goods sidings opened at the same time as South Brisbane, or at a later date?
awsgc24
Clapham and South Brisbane same day with the 1930 route opening data available from my Google drive as per last time I posted this  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sUIiT7SHK5_MZWtUanRolyRS7NWwzZSc

From https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCnx3cACRdCeM2yc9UbIcCK7i4UHh6Io
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
For those who came in late (*) Clapham 1930 and other changes (many have seen this before)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwZG4wdlhxRFZaOTA/view

* For those who came in late… courtesy The Phantom comic

EDIT; The reason I keep on reminding readers that I have posted this material onto Railpage in the past is so folks know it is not new material from me. In recent times I received an amount of NSWGR and QR sourced material pertaining to the NSWGR North Coast line and so I am analysing this with snippits posted as I go.  Examples are these threads
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398406.htm
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11396831.htm
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

Were the Clapham SG & NG goods sidings opened at the same time as South Brisbane, or at a later date?
Clapham and South Brisbane same day with the 1930 route opening data available from my Google drive as per last time I posted this  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sUIiT7SHK5_MZWtUanRolyRS7NWwzZSc

From https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCnx3cACRdCeM2yc9UbIcCK7i4UHh6Io
petan
Clapham was no a "Goods Yard" is was used for transhipping of goods between the two gauges
South Brisbane was the Goods Yard.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Clapham was not a "Goods Yard", it was used for transhipping of goods between the two gauges
South Brisbane was the Goods Yard.
br30453
When did Acacia Ridge open, and did it replace South Brisbane and/or Clapham?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Clapham was not a "Goods Yard", it was used for transhipping of goods between the two gauges
South Brisbane was the Goods Yard.
When did Acacia Ridge open, and did it replace South Brisbane and/or Clapham?
awsgc24
That was all covered in my newsagent article in the January and March 2018 Australian Railway History (ARHS -NSW) on the Brisbane standard gauge history, including an analysis of the Salisbury TNT yard and that was about 10,000 words. Thus, to do it justice and fully answer you question, a very complex response would be required here now. In short, Acacia Ridge opened in stages from 1965, depending on what you mean by opening, and Clapham started closing in the 1970-80s, again depending on what you mean by closing as well. My ARHS article is available for purchase as a back copy and I understand as a PDF as well, from the ARHS- NSW although you would need to work through their new website. Since the ARH article was done as a volunteer, I was not paid and all proceeds go to the ARHS. As I stated earlier, the bulldozers demolished the South Brisbane Standard Gauge yard and a fair portion of the western side of the suburban 1067mm gauge lines as well, around the time EXPO88 was being developed.

The ARH editor has received my addendum for my ARH article. That includes things like the date for the GMH Acacia Ridge car manufacturing plant’s sidings, mentioned in my ARH article, was revealed by NSWGR Weekly Notice 50 of 1965 as Tuesday 21st December 1965, between 8.0 am and 4.0 pm, as stated on the WN.
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Were the Clapham SG & NG goods sidings opened at the same time as South Brisbane, or at a later date?
Clapham and South Brisbane same day with the 1930 route opening data available from my Google drive as per last time I posted this  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sUIiT7SHK5_MZWtUanRolyRS7NWwzZSc

From https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCnx3cACRdCeM2yc9UbIcCK7i4UHh6Io
Clapham was no a "Goods Yard" is was used for transhipping of goods between the two gauges
South Brisbane was the Goods Yard.
br30453
Park Road was also a goods yard, there were three freight forwarders operated from there and there was also a ng transd=hip siding that ran parallel to the back road which saw little use, then there was the commonwealth sidings at Rocklea which served Evans Deakin and Commonwealth Engineering and English Electric and further towards Acacia Ridge there was the Cargo Rudders sidings followed by the CSR siding which was a loop reached from the Sailsbury end of the Acacia Ridge loop and GMH which was at the Greenbank end of the Acacia Ridge loop, the Acacia Ridge loop was worked as an intermediate loop with staff instruments at both ends of the loop.
The Cargo Rudders siding also had an intermediate staff instrument which made a total of three intermediate staff instruments for the section Beaudesert Road  Greenbank, when the Acacia Ridge yard opened a signal box was opened and the sections then became Beaudesert Road Acacia Ridge and Acacia Ridge Greenbank with an intermediate staff instrument at the Greenbank end of Acacia Ridge loop on the SG to allow southbound trains to exit Acacia Ridge.
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Were the Clapham SG & NG goods sidings opened at the same time as South Brisbane, or at a later date?
Clapham and South Brisbane same day with the 1930 route opening data available from my Google drive as per last time I posted this  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sUIiT7SHK5_MZWtUanRolyRS7NWwzZSc

From https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCnx3cACRdCeM2yc9UbIcCK7i4UHh6Io
Clapham was no a "Goods Yard" is was used for transhipping of goods between the two gauges
South Brisbane was the Goods Yard.
Park Road was also a goods yard, there were three freight forwarders operated from there and there was also a ng transd=hip siding that ran parallel to the back road which saw little use, then there was the commonwealth sidings at Rocklea which served Evans Deakin and Commonwealth Engineering and English Electric and further towards Acacia Ridge there was the Cargo Rudders sidings followed by the CSR siding which was a loop reached from the Sailsbury end of the Acacia Ridge loop and GMH which was at the Greenbank end of the Acacia Ridge loop, the Acacia Ridge loop was worked as an intermediate loop with staff instruments at both ends of the loop.
The Cargo Rudders siding also had an intermediate staff instrument which made a total of three intermediate staff instruments for the section Beaudesert Road  Greenbank, when the Acacia Ridge yard opened a signal box was opened and the sections then became Beaudesert Road Acacia Ridge and Acacia Ridge Greenbank with an intermediate staff instrument at the Greenbank end of Acacia Ridge loop on the SG to allow southbound trains to exit Acacia Ridge.
When the Flexi Vans started operating into Brisbane they were operated from Clapham and the BHP steel train was unloaded there as were the car transporters.
Mufreight
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Mufreight mentioned several yards so I'll repost a NSWGR track plan showing these yards, just in case some readers are not sure of the Brisbane suburban geography.The track plan does not show the 21st December 1965 GMH sidings but it does show the original Coopers Plains CSR  Gyprock building products siding layout which NSWGR Weekly Notice 49 of 1963 dates from Thursday, 12 December 1963 and the 1st June, 1964 Salisbury yard, so the plan dates from between June 1964 and December 1965. I acquired the paper version of this plan from the ARHS-NSW in the mid 1970s

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwVWI4blAxNk5HSmM/view  


The company which established the  private transhipment terminal in Salisbury with access to both the interstate 1435mm and local 1067mm (3ft 6 in) gauge lines, Rudders Ltd, was a long-established customs, forwarding agent and shipping company which underwent ownership changes in the 1960s. In 1962 Rudders Ltd merged into Cargo Distributors Ltd, which sold Rudders Ltd to Thomas Nationwide Transport (TNT) in August 1966, thus giving TNT control of the rail yard. The terminal therefore opened in 1964 under Cargo Distributors Ltd ownership. Early QR documents for the terminal were variously labelled ‘Rudders Transport Depot’ or ‘Cargo Distributors Ltd (Rudders)’.  Cargo Distributors Ltd was formed by the 1962 merger of Rudders Ltd with Green-McCandlish Ltd, according to Sydney Morning Herald, 20 August 1962, p19. The sale of Rudders from Cargo Distributors Ltd to TNT was reported in The Canberra Times 30 August 1966 P.16. By that time Cargo Distributors Ltd had absorbed many other companies in different countries. The Rudders, later TNT,  Salisbury sidings dates from Monday, 1st June, 1964, between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m according to NSWGR Weekly Notice 22 of 1964. The TNT yard was at Salisbury just past the Riawena Road overpass, south of Salisbury station. As well as Alltrans, other TNT brands seen at the Salisbury yard included Railfast and Contrans.

Park Rd dates from 12th November 1942, as per NSWGR WN 47 of 1942. The WW2 Rocklea Industrial sidings, later for Comeng etc after WW2, date from Wednesday, 28th May, 1941 as per NSWGR WN 20 of 1941.

As I wrote earlier, this is just a very brief extract from my Australian Railway History article and the fuller explanation is in that article available as a back copy from the ARHS.

Cheers Peter Cokley
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Were the Clapham SG & NG goods sidings opened at the same time as South Brisbane, or at a later date?
Clapham and South Brisbane same day with the 1930 route opening data available from my Google drive as per last time I posted this  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sUIiT7SHK5_MZWtUanRolyRS7NWwzZSc

From https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCnx3cACRdCeM2yc9UbIcCK7i4UHh6Io
Clapham was no a "Goods Yard" is was used for transhipping of goods between the two gauges
South Brisbane was the Goods Yard.
br30453
As Arthur BR30453 noted, South Brisbane was the only standard gauge Brisbane **public** Goods Yard and passenger terminal till events such as the passenger move to Roma St in 1986 and EXPO88 etc caused it closure. Clapham was the interstate transhipment yard, with every other yard, such as Park Rd, for freight forwarding companies only or Rocklea Industrial Estate's military work in WW2 and later Evans Deakin (both gauges), The English Electric Company (both gauges), Commonwealth Engineering (both gauges) and Bradford Insulation (1435mm gauge).The Rocklea industrial sidings list is from QR's Weekly Notice 22 of 1954, dated 3 June 1954.


To be pedantic, NSWGR's WN 10 of 1947 states interstate freight between Brisbane and stations in Southern states will be dealt with at South Brisbane. That NSWGR WN declares Clapham as a Transhipment station for goods to and from Queensland stations (other than Brisbane) and stations in Southern States. It notes Clapham not a passenger station.

(late edit as I hope I have it right this time re Southern States instead of Southern QLD, damn typo!) Anyway, see next post as it shows the actual WN
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
The 1947 QLD standard gauge locations as per NSWGR Weekly Notice 10 of 1947. Beaudesert Rd was outside the Rocklea Industrial Estate and operated both the QR South Coast Line and the NSWGR safeworking.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10esmfEYgjzenGa8-LVdbMFkbqV_GCC4l/view

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