Rail projects are not election tools

 

News article: Rail projects are not election tools

In The Age on Saturday it was written that “it’s nearly 35 years since the Very Fast Train bulleted into the national agenda”.

  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
If Canberra's population greatly increases in the future will the chance of a high speed  line increase?

Rail projects are not election tools

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  Bethungra Train Controller

Many would already say the population of Canberra and link to Sydney could support a high speed service.   As for Canberra to Melbourne I think personally it is due now as it will benefit greatly the populations in between Melbourne and Canberra namely Wodonga and major centres between there and Canberra depending on the actual route chosen,

The government is currently funding the purchase of land for the project.

I also think Sydney Western Airport could have been avoided by using Canberra as a secondary airport with high speed rail.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Should have been posted here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398697.htm

Now can the Mods please Lock this thread.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I also think Sydney Western Airport could have been avoided by using Canberra as a secondary airport with high speed rail.
Bethungra
That's just extremely wasteful, that someone from Sydney would travel to Canberra to catch a plane flight !

High Speed trains are very costly to run (that reflects In train fares prices, If Europe Is anything to go by)
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If you had a Sydney-Melbourne LGV, a huge amount of capacity at Kingsford-Smith would be released by the drop in Sydney-Melbourne flights, and you wouldn't need major airports at either Western Sydney (Badgery Creek) or South-Western Sydney (Canberra).
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The government is currently funding the purchase of land for the project.
Bethungra
What Land and what Government?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
SYD airport moves just under 40mpa. Growth is a 1-2 million pa.

Syd - Mel flying is about 8m, even wirh HSR 4mpa would likely remain due to marginal time benefit, likely no cost bebefit and through flyers.

Syd - Can flying is currently around 1mpa and woyld likely see a large hit by HSR. Say 0.5m converts to rail.

So likely Mascot drops to 35mpa due to HSR and continues to grow at 1mpa. End results Badgers Creek still needed, but maybe delayed but unlikely as airport could be built faster and needed sooner.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
SYD airport moves just under 40mpa. Growth is a 1-2 million pa.

Syd - Mel flying is about 8mpa, even wirh HSR 4mpa would likely remain due to marginal time benefit, likely no cost benefit and through flyers.

Syd - Can flying is currently around 1mpa and woild likely see a large hit by HSR. Say 1mpa converts to rail.

So likely Mascot drops to 35mpa due to HSR and continues to grow at 1mpa. End results Badgers Creek still needed, but maybe delayed but unlikely as airport could be built faster and needed sooner.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Should have been posted here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398697.htm

Now can the Mods please Lock this thread.
Dangersdan707
While the post does come from the RRA, it does though make considerable sense. I am not sure about Labor but the Liberals and Nationals have rail project trophy disease, ie see rail projects ONLY as a way of winning an election.

I believe Labor in Victoria really do see that improving rail will benefit Victoria greatly in the future, the Liberals and Nationals apparently have yet to even glimpse this idea, they are still stuck with the creed road transport will solve everything.

woodford
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Should have been posted here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398697.htm

Now can the Mods please Lock this thread.
While the post does come from the RRA, it does though make considerable sense. I am not sure about Labor but the Liberals and Nationals have rail project trophy disease, ie see rail projects ONLY as a way of winning an election.

I believe Labor in Victoria really do see that improving rail will benefit Victoria greatly in the future, the Liberals and Nationals apparently have yet to even glimpse this idea, they are still stuck with the creed road transport will solve everything.

woodford
woodford
Yes, dare I say it, Abbott and Hockey and their budgets spending money on roads.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Should have been posted here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398697.htm

Now can the Mods please Lock this thread.
While the post does come from the RRA, it does though make considerable sense. I am not sure about Labor but the Liberals and Nationals have rail project trophy disease, ie see rail projects ONLY as a way of winning an election.

I believe Labor in Victoria really do see that improving rail will benefit Victoria greatly in the future, the Liberals and Nationals apparently have yet to even glimpse this idea, they are still stuck with the creed road transport will solve everything.

woodford
Yes, dare I say it, Abbott and Hockey and their budgets spending money on roads.
574M
Liberals and Nationals have rail project trophy disease, ie see rail projects ONLY as a way of winning an election.

That is so true. They trot out rail projects with absolutely no analysis whatsoever. Makes them look like utter fools and when you have David Davis as a spokesman, you know you are in real trouble. The $19 Billion price tag for transforming a huge chunk of the Rail system to 200 km/h, where did they pull that figure from? Its like the maths segment of Countdown. You know, take a few numbers from the top and some from the bottom and see if you can make them add up to $19 Billion! Thank god the ALP won!

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
If Canberra's population greatly increases in the future will the chance of a high speed  line increase?

Rail projects are not election tools
GeoffreyHansen
No
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Should have been posted here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398697.htm

Now can the Mods please Lock this thread.
While the post does come from the RRA, it does though make considerable sense. I am not sure about Labor but the Liberals and Nationals have rail project trophy disease, ie see rail projects ONLY as a way of winning an election.

I believe Labor in Victoria really do see that improving rail will benefit Victoria greatly in the future, the Liberals and Nationals apparently have yet to even glimpse this idea, they are still stuck with the creed road transport will solve everything.

woodford
woodford

in NSW it is the opposite. Labor is promising to stop building everything the libs are building.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Should have been posted here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398697.htm

Now can the Mods please Lock this thread.
While the post does come from the RRA, it does though make considerable sense. I am not sure about Labor but the Liberals and Nationals have rail project trophy disease, ie see rail projects ONLY as a way of winning an election.

I believe Labor in Victoria really do see that improving rail will benefit Victoria greatly in the future, the Liberals and Nationals apparently have yet to even glimpse this idea, they are still stuck with the creed road transport will solve everything.

woodford

in NSW it is the opposite. Labor is promising to stop building everything the libs are building.
simstrain
Yes, Because NSW and Victoria are still in a rivalry with each other over literally everything. In Victoria labor builds, Libs sell-off assets.

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