Bye Bye to George Pell

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
He will most likely go to protective which will mean solitary. He won’t be allowed to be Chaplain if that is the case.

Even if he is in a position to become Chaplain I feel that would be a ‘privilege’ he does deserve and should not be given.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Listened briefly to a shock jock earlier, curiosity and enlightenment. Was not disappointed.
Inferred was a stitch up and/or unfair, due to pells converstive views on marriage and the kicker, climate change. Shazam.
michaelgm
I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack, for those that don't know, an Alb is a white garment which is worn by the priests at church, now according to those that know, an Alb can only be fitted through the neck, and it goes all the way down to the ankles so I have read, very hard to sexually penetrate someone when you have an Alb on, there's something about this case that doesn't stack up!

Kind Regards
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack,
"lsrailfan"
Was he there? How does he know? Short answer - he doesn't know. With a record like his, why anybody would take Jones' word on anything baffles me.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack,
Was he there? How does he know? Short answer - he doesn't know. With a record like his, why anybody would take Jones' word on anything baffles me.
Valvegear
Because he read it in the papers, it was in the Australian from an article from a Frank Brenan, who is also a priest, and yes, I believe HE would know

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The lack of a reference from Tony Abbott is interesting - maybe a sign of the seriousness of the electoral fight he's facing in a couple of months?

Richter is Pell’s defender, his comment is not an admission of guilt, guilt was already declared by the jury.

This will have no bearing on any subsequent appeals.
Aaron
Yes, Richter was very clear in stating he was only arguing the sentence and that he still maintained Pell was innocent.

An appeal against the verdict has already been lodged.

Richter’s statement was purely an attempt to mitigate penalty - assholeish? Yes, but entirely legitimate in the circumstance, he is effectively obligated to make statements to cast the offences in a better light.
Fortunately, in this particular case, the learned trial judge saw the comments exactly as he should have.
Aaron
An attempt to avoid a custodial sentence completely was only ever going to be laughed at, so conceding that custody is warranted and pushing for a shorter one is the only 'win' that Richter has left to fight for.

Based on the reports of the sentencing hearing, I'd guess that a mid range sentence is on the cards for Pell. It doesn't look like the judge will be interested in a light sentence, but it also appears he is handling things by the book and will make a relatively conservative decision to avoid a major change being granted on appeal.

One thing is for sure - if the appeal against the verdict is rejected, the sentence will be appealed separately.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Because he read it in the papers, it was in the Australian from an article from a Frank Brenan, who is also a priest, and yes, I believe HE would know.
lsrailfan
If he wasn't there, he doesn't know. It may well be the custom, but whatever Brennan said is not evidence that it was actually done unless he saw it himself. That's the law. Then, it follows that what Jones says is hearsay and also not admissible as evidence ( not that Jones would care - safe in the legend of his own infallibility).
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I note that Robert Richter QC has officially apologized for his stupid remarks he made yesterday, as he should of
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

He will most likely go to protective which will mean solitary. He won’t be allowed to be Chaplain if that is the case.

Even if he is in a position to become Chaplain I feel that would be a ‘privilege’ he does deserve and should not be given.
Aaron
Will not happen. Will be prisoner number whatever. Sharkey whilst in prison had Father Sharkey on his wheel chair and was made to remove it.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack,
Was he there? How does he know? Short answer - he doesn't know. With a record like his, why anybody would take Jones' word on anything baffles me.
Because he read it in the papers, it was in the Australian from an article from a Frank Brenan, who is also a priest, and yes, I believe HE would know

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Once a Tyke.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack, for those that don't know, an Alb is a white garment which is worn by the priests at church, now according to those that know, an Alb can only be fitted through the neck, and it goes all the way down to the ankles so I have read, very hard to sexually penetrate someone when you have an Alb on, there's something about this case that doesn't stack up!

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Israilfan
Typical obfuscation by the Catholic Church; its modus operandi. It was oral penetration and supposedly he simply lifted up his robe.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

…………………,very hard to sexually penetrate someone when you have an Alb on, ……………………..
Israilfan
The obvious, if rather unkind, question is ‘How would they know?’.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Typical obfuscation by the Catholic Church; its modus operandi. It was oral penetration and supposedly he simply lifted up his robe.
"kitchgp"
Agreed. I can't believe that he couldn't go for a wee wee when he was wearing full fancy dress. Same applies if he wanted to reach for his tackle for other purposes.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I for one believe that he is innocent, and did not commit oral penetration as alleged, I don't believe that a man in his high ranking position, as he was at the supposed time would do such a thing, fortunately there is an appeal's process, and if he losses that, well yes, I will gladly hold my hand up and admit I was wrong.

Kind Regards
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I for one believe that he is innocent, and did not commit oral penetration as alleged, I don't believe that a man in his high ranking position, as he was at the supposed time would do such a thing, fortunately there is an appeal's process, and if he losses that, well yes, I will gladly hold my hand up and admit I was wrong.
"lsrailfan"
You are a man of great faith and trust but unfortunately history proves it unfounded. High rank stands for nothing. A bishop in USA has just been de-frocked for child sexual abuse. The late Bishop Mulkearns aided and abetted paedophile priests in his diocese for years, and so on and on.

One is expected to believe, as you do, that high ranking position means less likelihood of offending. In fact, high office seems to mean less chance of getting caught simply because some people believe this.

I was not in court; I did not hear the evidence; I am in no position to decide whether he is guilty or innocent. I suggest that you are in exactly the same position. Meanwhile a court of competent jurisdiction has heard and deliberated and reached a verdict of guilty. The deliberation was not rushed - it went for 3 days if I recall correctly.

I can understand people wanting to believe in virtue, but I don't think the belief is founded on fact.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I for one believe that he is innocent, and did not commit oral penetration as alleged, I don't believe that a man in his high ranking position, as he was at the supposed time would do such a thing, fortunately there is an appeal's process, and if he losses that, well yes, I will gladly hold my hand up and admit I was wrong.
You are a man of great faith and trust but unfortunately history proves it unfounded. High rank stands for nothing. A bishop in USA has just been de-frocked for child sexual abuse. The late Bishop Mulkearns aided and abetted paedophile priests in his diocese for years, and so on and on.

One is expected to believe, as you do, that high ranking position means less likelihood of offending. In fact, high office seems to mean less chance of getting caught simply because some people believe this.

I was not in court; I did not hear the evidence; I am in no position to decide whether he is guilty or innocent. I suggest that you are in exactly the same position. Meanwhile a court of competent jurisdiction has heard and deliberated and reached a verdict of guilty. The deliberation was not rushed - it went for 3 days if I recall correctly.

I can understand people wanting to believe in virtue, but I don't think the belief is founded on fact.
Valvegear
I just wanted to note in passing that I am not a catholic, just in case anyone had any misgivings, it's just based on my own personal opinion, and what I have heard of the matter

Kind Regards
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I for one believe that he is innocent, and did not commit oral penetration as alleged, I don't believe that a man in his high ranking position, as he was at the supposed time would do such a thing, fortunately there is an appeal's process, and if he losses that, well yes, I will gladly hold my hand up and admit I was wrong.

Kind Regards
lsrailfan

Why would a high-ranking position make it less likely for him to do something like this? It wouldn't. It just means it's generally tougher to be found out.

People in power often find ways to misuse it, whatever form that misuse takes.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahr4KFl79WI
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack,
Was he there? How does he know? Short answer - he doesn't know. With a record like his, why anybody would take Jones' word on anything baffles me.
Because he read it in the papers, it was in the Australian from an article from a Frank Brenan, who is also a priest, and yes, I believe HE would know

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Was Frank Brenan there? No? Then, no he doesn't know, and a rational person would not believe he does know.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I for one believe that he is innocent, and did not commit oral penetration as alleged, I don't believe that a man in his high ranking position, as he was at the supposed time would do such a thing, fortunately there is an appeal's process, and if he losses that, well yes, I will gladly hold my hand up and admit I was wrong.

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Peter Liddy sends you his regards.

It is precisely the perceived power that allows abuse (in many forms) to exist where there is a perceived power imbalance.

The person without power believes they will not be believed or listened to. The powerful feed on this.

Thankyou for demonstrating this disparity and how it works, so clearly, for the rest of us.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack,
Was he there? How does he know? Short answer - he doesn't know. With a record like his, why anybody would take Jones' word on anything baffles me.
Because he read it in the papers, it was in the Australian from an article from a Frank Brenan, who is also a priest, and yes, I believe HE would know

Kind Regards
Was Frank Brenan there? No? Then, no he doesn't know, and a rational person would not believe he does know.
Aaron
Mate, Frank Brenan doesn't have to be there, the fact of the matter is, that he would know about what goes on in the inner sanctum, and what garments the priests would wear during the service, he was just spelling it out in the paper, as is his right to do so.

Kind Regards
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I for one believe that he is innocent, and did not commit oral penetration as alleged, I don't believe that a man in his high ranking position, as he was at the supposed time would do such a thing, fortunately there is an appeal's process, and if he losses that, well yes, I will gladly hold my hand up and admit I was wrong.
You are a man of great faith and trust but unfortunately history proves it unfounded. High rank stands for nothing. A bishop in USA has just been de-frocked for child sexual abuse. The late Bishop Mulkearns aided and abetted paedophile priests in his diocese for years, and so on and on.

One is expected to believe, as you do, that high ranking position means less likelihood of offending. In fact, high office seems to mean less chance of getting caught simply because some people believe this.

I was not in court; I did not hear the evidence; I am in no position to decide whether he is guilty or innocent. I suggest that you are in exactly the same position. Meanwhile a court of competent jurisdiction has heard and deliberated and reached a verdict of guilty. The deliberation was not rushed - it went for 3 days if I recall correctly.

I can understand people wanting to believe in virtue, but I don't think the belief is founded on fact.
I just wanted to note in passing that I am not a catholic, just in case anyone had any misgivings, it's just based on my own personal opinion, and what I have heard of the matter

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Oh? Well to which flavour of the sui generis do you subscribe? You seem pretty assured that a fellow subscriber couldn't do wrong... LDS I guess?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I listened to AJ this morning as well, and he stated as well that Pell was wearing an Alb at the time of the alleged attack,
Was he there? How does he know? Short answer - he doesn't know. With a record like his, why anybody would take Jones' word on anything baffles me.
Because he read it in the papers, it was in the Australian from an article from a Frank Brenan, who is also a priest, and yes, I believe HE would know

Kind Regards
Was Frank Brenan there? No? Then, no he doesn't know, and a rational person would not believe he does know.
Mate, Frank Brenan doesn't have to be there, the fact of the matter is, that he would know about what goes on in the inner sanctum, and what garments the priests would wear during the service, he was just spelling it out in the paper, as is his right to do so.

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Ever had a girlfriend/wife? Ever seen her or some other female wear a one piece dress and use a loo? Ask them how they do that... Even Cardinals need to piss and smeg, whether or not it smells we'll have you interpret.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
^^ If you mean religion, then I am a Christian by faith
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I have every sympathy for the victims of Paedophiles, I think the paedophiles are absolutely disgusting! I just happen to have a different view on his guilt, that's all,

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