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      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    It is going to be interesting to see if the Govt takes a closer look at these sort of sites and regulates them appropriately.
    Carnot
    A couple of senators on the crossbench were making noises about this not too long ago, including Nick Xenophon and his replacement Rex Patrick.

    This could be a good card to trade for passing a piece of government legislation.

    The irony is that GoFundMe closing down Izzy's fundraiser just raises the profile of his campaign even more, and he'll probably get his money quicker.
    Carnot
    And without a cut of every donation being skimmed off by GoFundMe.
    Posted: 24 Jun 2019 18:27

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      Valvegear Dr Beeching

    Location: Norda Fittazroy
    And people still insist it's about freedom of religion or freedom of speech. I'ts about neither. It's about a breach of contract; simple as that.
    Posted: 24 Jun 2019 19:14
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    And people still insist it's about freedom of religion or freedom of speech. I'ts about neither. It's about a breach of contract; simple as that.
    Valvegear
    So far as the dispute between Rugby Australia and Israel Folau goes, certainly. They say he breached his contract, he says he did not, if they can't reach a settlement then it will have to ruled upon by the courts at massive expense to both sides.

    The GoFundMe issue is a very different matter. It will be interesting to see whether they refund in full or keep their cut of the transactions - if the latter, it could end with them setting up a potentially very important test case.
    Posted: 24 Jun 2019 23:38
      Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

    Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
    Abetz preaching about freedom of religion. Ironic!

    Go Fund Me is caught in the same web as Facebook etc. At what point to they intervene.

    Of course traditional media never allows all viewpoints to be expressed and censors content.
    Posted: 25 Jun 2019 08:40
      Carnot Minister for Railways
    Posted: 25 Jun 2019 12:52
      billybaxter Chief Commissioner

    Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
    I presume GoFundMe made a commercial decision, they decided the business lost by having Mr Folau's campaign on board was greater than the business it brought. Same with the criticism of them bowing to Wokeness. It's a market, a profitable and growing market too. Why do we hear this bleating about bowing to pressure every time a company meets this commercial demand? Just because you personally don't agree with an idea doesn't mean commercial enterprises shouldn't be able to cater to the market it represents.
    Posted: 25 Jun 2019 16:54
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    Refund the GoFundMe and other donated dollars, the Folau’s High Court challenge is effectively dead in the water - if it could indeed swim in the first place.

    https://apple.news/AnxMFdRCHTWWBlfVCqke4HQ
    Posted: 07 Aug 2019 15:27
      Carnot Minister for Railways

    A good article in today's ABC website: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-07/israel-folau-should-be-able-to-go-back-to-work/11386826
    And as for the case above, along with Folau's:

    "But those cheering on the loss of Folau's livelihood and career have undermined the cause of countless other employees who espouse controversial progressive views and suffer the same fate.

    Employment contracts and the dark arts of brand management are being selectively deployed to suppress participation in the democratic process. There should be no exception to the universality of human rights discourse for Folau."
    Posted: 07 Aug 2019 16:58
      mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

    @Carnot Sorry but Josh Bernstein is talking smeg. Folau ia employed by Rugby Australia. He has been warned b4 and chode to ignore it. This isnt freedom of religion it is Folau moaning that he can state discriminating crud about communities he does not like without consequence in the name of religion.

    He  broke the contract he had with Rugby Australia. They terminated his contract. Good, screw him.

    Michael
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 10:39
      Carnot Minister for Railways

    @Carnot Sorry but Josh Bernstein is talking smeg. Folau ia employed by Rugby Australia. He has been warned b4 and chode to ignore it. This isnt freedom of religion it is Folau moaning that he can state discriminating crud about communities he does not like without consequence in the name of religion.

    He  broke the contract he had with Rugby Australia. They terminated his contract. Good, screw him.

    Michael
    mejhammers1
    So how is Rugby Australia any different from say the Social Capital program that the Chinese Govt has?

    And besides, other Rugby players did drugs and abused women and they get off with a light tap on the wrist?
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 11:00
      mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

    @Carnot That a rampant whataboutery. Really? You are comparing Rugby Australia who just sacked some bigoted twit (GOOD) to a totalitarian regime who oppresses its people. Really. Folau does not have to like the LGBTI community. What he should not do is preach discrimination against them. Rugby Australia agrees. Folau's gone. GOOD.

    Yes I agree wife abusers and drug takers should be sacked too. I am not aware it is a big problem in Union moreso League. Regardless though that still does not excuse Folau.


    Michael
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 11:21
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    Correct mehjammers1 with the whataboutisms.

    Most of the players I can think of picked up under the illicit drug code are league players likely without a contract that Rugby Australia has any influence in.

    Folau had a contract with Rugby Australia he transgressed more than once, he was warned and counselled, like the fool he is he went and did it again and his contract was terminated. That was the due process and there is nothing more to see here - yesterday’s unanimous High Court ruling all but makes Folau’s case dead.

    It’s too long ago to recall and I wasn’t all that interested at the time to pay enough attention but one of the last sportspeople I can think to have their contract terminated was Ben Cousins. He too undertook multiple opportunities to breech his contract, after several warnings and much, much counselling was both terminated by his club and deregistered by the league.
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 13:14
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    Carnot, please you’re educated. At least I want to think you are.

    How is Rugby Australia any different to the Chinese Government’s Social Capital program? Seriously? The list of how they’re the same would be shorter.
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 13:19
      don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Adelaide proud
    The fact is that when you sign a contract as comprehensive as Rugby Australia's (and that pays as much as they do) you have some really strict criteria that you need to adhere to not the least of which covers social media posts.
    As that Commonwealth public servant found out today, you don't need to be a significant cog in the works to be picked on for stepping out of line. Folau thought he could have his cake and eat it too.

    Wrong.
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 21:25
      don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Adelaide proud
    Carnot, please you’re educated. At least I want to think you are.

    How is Rugby Australia any different to the Chinese Government’s Social Capital program? Seriously? The list of how they’re the same would be shorter.
    Aaron
    I dare you to tweet out a social media post criticising the University of Adelaide as a money-grubbing degree mill.

    Go on. Do it.
    Posted: 08 Aug 2019 21:26
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    I can’t do that Don, for two reasons, primarily because I only have a small idea of what Twitter is, and I don’t have a Twitter, secondarily, because I don’t believe that is entirely true.

    The true degree factory in this state is Super TAFE (aka UniSA), where I know of an academic in the business school who teaches in their MBA program. He was openly pressured into passing foreign candidates having initially failed them for a range of work quality/grade issues. He was basically told after the students requested a review of their grade to pass them, despite in some cases their essays in particular being effectively unreadable, or displaying blatant cases of plagiarism.

    It does not seem to be isolated, I also met a tutor in the mathematics dept there who was told to pass a student’s vector calculus assignment which contained pretty much not a single correct calculation.
    Posted: 10 Aug 2019 00:10
      don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Adelaide proud
    Aaron, thanks for that extremely informative reply - I've heard about some of the problems in academia-world but had no idea that it was that bad.
    Posted: 10 Aug 2019 12:09
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    I can’t do that Don, for two reasons, primarily because I only have a small idea of what Twitter is, and I don’t have a Twitter, secondarily, because I don’t believe that is entirely true.

    The true degree factory in this state is Super TAFE (aka UniSA), where I know of an academic in the business school who teaches in their MBA program. He was openly pressured into passing foreign candidates having initially failed them for a range of work quality/grade issues. He was basically told after the students requested a review of their grade to pass them, despite in some cases their essays in particular being effectively unreadable, or displaying blatant cases of plagiarism.

    It does not seem to be isolated, I also met a tutor in the mathematics dept there who was told to pass a student’s vector calculus assignment which contained pretty much not a single correct calculation.
    Aaron
    All three of the universities in SA have areas they do well, and areas where they churn out degrees and skimp on funding to cross-subsidise the areas they focus on.

    Adelaide and Flinders are no different, I've heard of foreign engineering students getting an easy ride at Adelaide.

    The real problem is the funding model. Find a way to fix this so good degrees are funded well without needing to be cross-subsidised and all three unis will drop their crap programs like hot potatoes.
    Posted: 10 Aug 2019 12:40
      michaelgm Chief Commissioner

    Here's a novel idea.
    Just punish  and hold accountable an organisation/education centre and personal for handing out dodgey degrees.
    Posted: 10 Aug 2019 14:28
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    JAP, I don’t think that is true of Adelaide. From personal experience I can tell you I have happily and cheerfully failed many students likely local and international. I can honestly say I remember only once was my grading overturned - that was for a compassionate reason that I was not aware of at the time, had I been aware I likely would have unclassified the student or worked out some grade based on prior average.
    Posted: 10 Aug 2019 17:53
      Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

    Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
    From personal experience I can tell you I have happily and cheerfully failed many students.
    Aaron
    And that should come as no surprise Razz
    Posted: 16 Aug 2019 22:07
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    On the back of the World Cup performance maybe it might be best if RA just pay out Folau and wind up the organisation - maybe that will be less embarrassing than ‘competing’ again...
    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 19:09
      Carnot Minister for Railways

    Maybe they should.

    Incidentally, I can't understand why Raelene Castle wasn't sacked instead of the coach this week given how toxic things were between the two of them...
    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 20:07
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    She reminds me of Dawn French.
    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 00:12
      Valvegear Dr Beeching

    Location: Norda Fittazroy
    She reminds me of Dawn French.
    Aaron
    Nah. Dawn French has a few brains and sticks to things she's good at.
    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:51

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