Fremantle Freight Line Observations

 
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Hi,  I live next to the freight line through Fremantle and quite often see things going on, I thought I would start a thread so I and others here had somewhere to post any info or events that happen.

The latest is that there seems to be some signalling mods going on, there is a new signal being installed next to the crossing into south beach.  It is on the signal track section just after the standard and narrow gauge become one.  Alongside where the South Beach station was before removal.  Anyone know why there is a need for extra signalling?  I can't see how this will allow extra capacity unless that are other things happening along the line.

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  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Witzendoz, is this the narrow-gauge line along the foreshore running south to Kwinana?
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
looking forward to reading your posts.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Witzendoz, is this the narrow-gauge line along the foreshore running south to Kwinana?
RedEyeExpress
It is the duel gauge line that runs south from Fremantle to both Kwinana and Forrestfield through South Beach then via the Spearwood triangle.  I actually live just after the duel gauge splits into a separate standard gauge and narrow gauge.  You can see this at the crossing of Rollinson Road North Coogee.  Actually this part of the line is where Robb Jetty freight yard once was, I actually live in the estate that was the old site.

Most of the time it's just container trains back and forth, but sometimes ballast trains and even a while back a track recording train.  I have also seen a narrow gauge maintenance train going towards Fremantle for night works on the Fremantle to Perth line, but there is very little narrow gauge traffic.
  hannnahranga Beginner

They're part of a program of adding/moving controlled signals to match up with the network boundaries between PTA and Arc infrastructure. Currently on the freo line the last controlled signal on that end of line is near Cicerellos while the PTA maintains everything to that signal next to the south beach crossing. That means to use a signal to protect yourself in that area you've got to organise your protection through the Arc controllers. The new signal takes that issue away.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Thanks for the info,  I was wondering if it was due to the long distance between the signals at Spearwood triangle and the signal between south beach and Cicerellos (the one that is almost always showing caution, this may change when the new signal is operating), meaning that if they for some reason had a caution showing at Spearwood they would have to travel all the way to the way to there under caution?  There is the passing loop at Coogee but I am not sure how they signal that as it looks like direction signals only?  Do you know if there is a signal for leaving PTA for Arc going in anywhere?

By the way I think the passing loop at Coogee was used the other night as a train left Fremantle and a Fremantle train passed only about 15 Mins or so later.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hi,  I live next to the freight line through Fremantle and quite often see things going on, I thought I would start a thread so I and others here had somewhere to post any info or events that happen.
witzendoz
I have often thought that WA is underrepresented on these boards (which cater in outsized quantities to Vic and NSW readers) so contributions from WA will be gladly received!
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Just FYI the signal between South Beach and Cicerellos (U228) is a distant signal, so will always either show caution or clear depending on the condition of the track ahead. The triangular target plate on that signal is the give away, it's one of only two on the PTA network, the other being just outside Armadale Station, coming in from Mundijong.

If you've ever had a chance to see the PTA train control panel, when a train leaves North Quay on its way to Kewdale, and the route is cleared, the signal appears to be at stop on the panel, however, what happens in the field, I don't know.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I have seen it, It does show Stop when a train is cleared from Fremantle,  and it does clear to green as soon as the signal at Cicerellos clears to green or caution. I am wondering if this signal will be changed so it shows Red most of the time when the signal at South Beach is commissioned?
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
I haven't seen the scope of works, so anything I say here is pure speculation.

If a new controlled absolute is installed near south beach, it will also need a distant signal before it, as the section from Cockburn Junction to Fremantle is train order territory.

Chances are, once that project is complete, the current U228 will be decommissioned and removed, as its purpose to warn of the controlled absolute signals ahead will be redundant.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
There are signals at Spearwood Triangle,  but these are quite a way from South Beach.  There are directional signals at Coogee to do with the passing loop so maybe some kind of upgrade in signalling could happen there.  Strangely I think there directional signals have a Red and White working (I could be wrong) where most directional signals are white in both directions.

The whole section between Spearwood and South Beach is a strange setup due to there being 2 tracks 1 Standard Gauge and One narrow gauge, but due to the nature off the passing loop setup and the crossover at the old South Fremantle power station (a remnant of the Robb Jetty yard) the whole thing must be run as a single track working?
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Just an update, the new signal at South Beach was commissioned on Sunday, the crew were working on electrics and hand cranking the points (standard gauge / narrow gauge merge) when I walked past Sunday morning, and the signal was in operation Sunday afternoon.  Not sure if this is going to show a stop or caution as there was an approaching train from Fremantle when I walked past so it was showing Red.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
395 has been installed as a "controlled absolute" so it would normally show red, unless it had been cleared for the passage of a train.

This signal can apparently be used by track workers to block the section if they are required to work in the danger zone.

As I speculated above, U228 has disappeared from the panel, weather it has actually been physically removed yet, or just "white crossed" out of use I don't know.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
At least U228 is immortalised on this album cover https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland_(Aim_album)#/media/File%3AAim_Hinterland_albumcover.jpg

I saw this album on a shelf many years ago and thought the scene looked familiar.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
EDIT:

U228 Has been removed
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I was walking past the new 395 on Saturday and it cleared while I was looking at it, lucky I thought.  As I had to wait at the CAT bus stop a little further down the line I kept note of how long it would take for a train to pass, it was under 10 mins, so I assume that 395 is cleared around the time that an inbound train passes the passing loop at Coogee, this would make sense as if there was an outbound train in the section it could pass the inbound train at the loop?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I was there in December of last year, the only freights I saw were From Watco on SG with pair of GL's or G/GL. The Narrow Gauge rail looked pretty rusty. What other Freights that go to the port?
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I was there in December of last year, the only freights I saw were From Watco on SG with pair of GL's or G/GL. The Narrow Gauge rail looked pretty rusty. What other Freights that go to the port?
Dangersdan707
All frights are containers it would be very rare to see anything else,  even open top freight is on open container bases.  I have seen a SG track testing train pulled by a Bull Noise loco of some kind run down to the port, and one night late a NG maintenance train run down to Fremantle for what I imagine was to carry out night work on the Fremantle to Perth line.  Nothing Narrow gauge usually runs these days.   Years ago we used to get Hothem Vally steam excursions on this line but that has now gone too.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I was travelling along Russel Rd this morning and was stopped by a ARG Container train.  I always thought that the trains that run along the freight line to the Fremantle port were container trains from Forrestfield / Kewdale, but now I am thinking that maybe the ARG container trains are travelling from Kwinana.  Why would container trains be in use in Kwinana?
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

I was travelling along Russel Rd this morning and was stopped by a ARG Container train.  I always thought that the trains that run along the freight line to the Fremantle port were container trains from Forrestfield / Kewdale, but now I am thinking that maybe the ARG container trains are travelling from Kwinana.  Why would container trains be in use in Kwinana?
witzendoz


The Kalgoorlie freighter runs out of the Kwinana yards now, rather than Forrestfield.

Cheers,

Matt
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
That seems a long way round, so the containers are taken to Kwinana then brought to Fremantle?  The Kalgoorlie freighter must travel to Perth as a single stack?  Is the Kwinana thing due to Forestfield being at capacity?
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Today a national pacific loco pulling some carriages went past South Fremantle going south. I think it was a track inspection train.
  brett80 Station Staff

Keen to hear people’s thoughts on this one - Indian pacific to terminate in Fremantle, rather than East Perth. I think it’s a fantastic idea that I’m glad the govt is looking at

https://cofremantle.wordpress.com/2020/02/25/indian-pacific-could-be-coming-to-freo/
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
If the Indian Pacific was to terminate in Fremantle, I would see a lot more carriages behind a national pacific loco in the future lol.  It’s a great idea but of course it would mean the ip would bypass perth city to get to freo as it’s only narrow gauge between the city and freo.  The ip would have to come to freo via Forrestfield, Spearwood, south freo.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
A few minutes ago a yellow maintenance truck on rail wheels headed south through south fremantle, from where I am I could not see if it was on standard gauge or narrow gauge.

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