Boris Johnson - New British PM

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And you're yet to prove that Brexit will be positive besides from conjecture.

Christ if the UK wants to do trade with its nearest neighbours it's gonna have to follow EU regs anyway....
speedemon08
So you've made the perfect case for them not being in the EU because they can still trade as before with the Continent, they're just not paying to be in the trade bloc.

I don't have an opinion on Boris other than to say he will have a much shorter time-frame than Theresa May to try and deliver something tangible to the UK public, it's been three years and counting...

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Many wouldn't lament the loss of some high-end finance industry jobs Wink
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God knows something actually productive might spring up in its place -
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Many wouldn't lament the loss of some high-end finance industry jobs Wink
God knows something actually productive might spring up in its place -
don_dunstan
Like a Solar Farm or some nice winder turbines Razz
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
A solar farm? Pretty sure England doesn’t get any sun.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
A solar farm? Pretty sure England doesn’t get any sun.
Aaron
incorrect, they do. Its just hard to see through all that rain they have there



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_Kingdom
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
And you're yet to prove that Brexit will be positive besides from conjecture.

Christ if the UK wants to do trade with its nearest neighbours it's gonna have to follow EU regs anyway....
So you've made the perfect case for them not being in the EU because they can still trade as before with the Continent, they're just not paying to be in the trade bloc.

I don't have an opinion on Boris other than to say he will have a much shorter time-frame than Theresa May to try and deliver something tangible to the UK public, it's been three years and counting...
don_dunstan
As far as I am aware, they will still have to pay....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And you're yet to prove that Brexit will be positive besides from conjecture.

Christ if the UK wants to do trade with its nearest neighbours it's gonna have to follow EU regs anyway....
So you've made the perfect case for them not being in the EU because they can still trade as before with the Continent, they're just not paying to be in the trade bloc.

I don't have an opinion on Boris other than to say he will have a much shorter time-frame than Theresa May to try and deliver something tangible to the UK public, it's been three years and counting...
As far as I am aware, they will still have to pay....
speedemon08
So either way they might as well still pull out of the EU. You can stop selling it to me, I'm already sold as you can tell.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Trump, Johnson and Morrison.  Hardly inspiring leaders at all.
And the extreme "wokeism" of the Left will keep these guys in charge for a while....
I put it down to the self interest of large corporates (and media like Murdoch) more than anything the left does.  I see the left as a reaction to the dominance of the right, not the other way around.
The dominance of the Right at the present time is a reaction to the lunatic leftism and fanatic identity politics of the elite...

Johnson - educated at Eton and Oxford and you say the elites are part of the problem Laughing
And Bob Hawke?
Aaron
Bob went to Eton Shocked
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@speedemon08 The UK jas to pay £42 billion that was negotiated with the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement.

As regards to trading with the rest of the EU to say that the arrangments will stay the same is simply not true. The Uk will have to renegotiate those deals and secondly any goods imported will be subject to border controls because under wto rules they would have to build a hard border.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And Bob Hawke?
Bob went to Eton Shocked
bingley hall
I see Blanche and Bob's daughter are off to court over his $200,000,000 fortune. He was our richest ex-PM by far, even wealthier than Malcolm Turnbull, most of the money made by lobbying.

He was paid a substantial amount of money by the nascent nuclear waste disposal industry to lobby on their behalf but it didn't always go down well... he gave a speech a few years ago at Woodford Folk Festival in QLD on how wonderful it would be if we had a nuclear waste disposal industry in this country and was heckled by the crowd.

Those bloody proletariat don't know what's good for them...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@speedemon08 The UK jas to pay £42 billion that was negotiated with the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement.

As regards to trading with the rest of the EU to say that the arrangments will stay the same is simply not true. The Uk will have to renegotiate those deals and secondly any goods imported will be subject to border controls because under wto rules they would have to build a hard border.

Michael
mejhammers1
So really this confirms that the UK would be far better off being outside of a restrictive and punitive trading bloc like the EU because they don't actually support free trade, they support restrictive trade.

You people are doing an excellent job at building the case for a hard Brexit - you have convinced me that the people of the UK would be far better off without that monopolistic and authoritarian Brussells elite dictating their every move.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@speedemon08 The UK jas to pay £42 billion that was negotiated with the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement.

As regards to trading with the rest of the EU to say that the arrangments will stay the same is simply not true. The Uk will have to renegotiate those deals and secondly any goods imported will be subject to border controls because under wto rules they would have to build a hard border.

Michael
So really this confirms that the UK would be far better off being outside of a restrictive and punitive trading bloc like the EU because they don't actually support free trade, they support restrictive trade.

You people are doing an excellent job at building the case for a hard Brexit - you have convinced me that the people of the UK would be far better off without that monopolistic and authoritarian Brussells elite dictating their every move.
don_dunstan
Don, really it does not. You have not given a single concrete fact based reason. All you have offered is your opinion.

What confirms that the UK would be far better off?
The Chamber of Commerce, The Farmers Federation, the governments own Office of Budgetary Responsibility & the Confederation of British Industry have all said that conservatively that the UK economy will contract by 9%. Even the most ardent Brexiters are saying that there will be job losses. Now I do concede that these are forecasts but am I going to believe the experts with years of experience in Industry and Commerce or Don Dunstan?

The Brussels elite is dictating every move. Evidence?

And what is restrictive in their trade?

The 42 Billion pound is a one off settlement in respect to the withdrawal agreement. If the UK leaves without a deal then it will have no trade deals with anyone. Because they are not in the single market they will be operating under different rules and that means they will have to build physical custom borders. These are WTO rules.

The UK has the best arrangements of any country in the EU. It is not part of Schengen and it is not part of the Euro Despite not being in the Euro, the Euro Bonds Government Stock handling was given to London. 500 Billion Pounds worth of trade.

Every country has the power of veto
Every country has the right to place conditions on migration within member countries as part of the Citizens Charter. That is they are given 90 days and if they have not got a job or have enough money to sustain themselves without accessing welfare that country has the right to remove them. Germany does it, Denmark does it, Belgium does it. The UK chose not to do it.

The EU has many flaws, granted, but remaining in the EU based on what the UK is about to lose, there is no evidence that the UK will be better off out.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, really it does not. You have not given a single concrete fact based reason. All you have offered is your opinion.
mejhammers1
So have you Michael; the UK being out of a restrictive trade bloc that dictated regulation at every level of life is bound to be better for them. It's like us having three layers of government here, probably not necessary and almost certainly creating duplications that are not efficient as the Commonwealth and the states do often. Paying for bureaucracy that we simply don't need.

Leaving that behind is bound to be more efficient for the people of the UK.
What confirms that the UK would be far better off? The Chamber of Commerce, The Farmers Federation, the governments own Office of Budgetary Responsibility & the Confederation of British Industry have all said that conservatively that the UK economy will contract by 9%. Even the most ardent Brexiters are saying that there will be job losses. Now I do concede that these are forecasts but am I going to believe the experts with years of experience in Industry and Commerce or Don Dunstan?
mejhammers1
Well I'd rather look at the actual figures that say employment growth is massive, unemployment is right down and wages growth is ticking up. All in anticipation of Brexit actually happening... so who do I believe, all these 'experts' or the actual figures?
The EU has many flaws, granted, but remaining in the EU based on what the UK is about to lose, there is no evidence that the UK will be better off out. Michael
mejhammers1
I'll just revert to my original position earlier up this post which is that the people are not going to miss the extra layer of government... really, they won't. And if Boris is going to deliver quickly like he says he will then we'll soon find out.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And Bob Hawke?
Bob went to Eton Shocked
I see Blanche and Bob's daughter are off to court over his $200,000,000 fortune. He was our richest ex-PM by far, even wealthier than Malcolm Turnbull, most of the money made by lobbying.

He was paid a substantial amount of money by the nascent nuclear waste disposal industry to lobby on their behalf but it didn't always go down well... he gave a speech a few years ago at Woodford Folk Festival in QLD on how wonderful it would be if we had a nuclear waste disposal industry in this country and was heckled by the crowd.

Those bloody proletariat don't know what's good for them...
don_dunstan

He lost my respect when he went into bat lobbying for companies that wanted to do business with the military junta in Myanmar Sad
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Don, really it does not. You have not given a single concrete fact based reason. All you have offered is your opinion.
So have you Michael; the UK being out of a restrictive trade bloc that dictated regulation at every level of life is bound to be better for them. It's like us having three layers of government here, probably not necessary and almost certainly creating duplications that are not efficient as the Commonwealth and the states do often. Paying for bureaucracy that we simply don't need.

Leaving that behind is bound to be more efficient for the people of the UK.
What confirms that the UK would be far better off? The Chamber of Commerce, The Farmers Federation, the governments own Office of Budgetary Responsibility & the Confederation of British Industry have all said that conservatively that the UK economy will contract by 9%. Even the most ardent Brexiters are saying that there will be job losses. Now I do concede that these are forecasts but am I going to believe the experts with years of experience in Industry and Commerce or Don Dunstan?
Well I'd rather look at the actual figures that say employment growth is massive, unemployment is right down and wages growth is ticking up. All in anticipation of Brexit actually happening... so who do I believe, all these 'experts' or the actual figures?
The EU has many flaws, granted, but remaining in the EU based on what the UK is about to lose, there is no evidence that the UK will be better off out. Michael
I'll just revert to my original position earlier up this post which is that the people are not going to miss the extra layer of government... really, they won't. And if Boris is going to deliver quickly like he says he will then we'll soon find out.
don_dunstan
Dictated at every level? You just saying that does not make it true. Evidence?

Massive amounts of low skilled low wage jobs being created and many of those are on no hour contracts. With retirees competing for those jobs which has pushed wages growth to 3.1%. And to say even that which is not much is due to the anticipation of Brexit is just the biggest furphy Don. I ll stick with the experts thanks.

Regulations, like banning cadmium from engine components because they have been found to be carcinogenic. Strict food hygene laws that are the envy of the world.

So far getting rid of an extra level of Government as you put it and not being part of a Trading Bloc that commands 30% of the World GDP, has 81 separate  full trade agreements and 700 odd other sundry trade agreements with nations outside of the EU and with the Car, and Farming industries about to be decimated in the event of a no deal brexit, having one less tier of government will make it all good?

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Dictated at every level? You just saying that does not make it true. Evidence?

Massive amounts of low skilled low wage jobs being created and many of those are on no hour contracts. With retirees competing for those jobs which has pushed wages growth to 3.1%. And to say even that which is not much is due to the anticipation of Brexit is just the biggest furphy Don. I ll stick with the experts thanks.
mejhammers1
So sometimes positive economic indicators are good but when they're connected to a slowing of cheap labour from eastern Europe then it's bad? Got it.
Regulations, like banning cadmium from engine components because they have been found to be carcinogenic. Strict food hygene laws that are the envy of the world. So far getting rid of an extra level of Government as you put it and not being part of a Trading Bloc that commands 30% of the World GDP, has 81 separate full trade agreements and 700 odd other sundry trade agreements with nations outside of the EU and with the Car, and Farming industries about to be decimated in the event of a no deal brexit, having one less tier of government will make it all good? Michael
mejhammers1
The EU were not necessary to any of those developments - and in some areas they lag. For example EU olive oil is allowed to have artificial flavours in it for example where as it isn't permitted in Aussie olive oil.

You're still making the assumption that somehow being in a central government too far away from the needs of the average Briton was good for them because it made up for its deficiencies with some other kinds of intangible benefits not possible if they leave. I call 'rubbish' on that notion, if that was true then everyone would be in these large trading blocs with central governments.

You can keep catasrophising, all these disasters will not happen.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
He lost my respect when he went into bat lobbying for companies that wanted to do business with the military junta in Myanmar Sad
bingley hall
Didn't know about that one but it doesn't surprise me. It's incredible the amounts of money these people make in life for themselves after politics - Gillard makes over a million dollars a year from her 'speaking engagements'. I read an article about her recently and she still thinks of herself as some kind of hard-done-by Suffering Saint Jane just because she was the first woman. It still doesn't occur to her that the manner in which Rudd was rolled was detested by the public.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
He lost my respect when he went into bat lobbying for companies that wanted to do business with the military junta in Myanmar Sad
Didn't know about that one but it doesn't surprise me. It's incredible the amounts of money these people make in life for themselves after politics - Gillard makes over a million dollars a year from her 'speaking engagements'. I read an article about her recently and she still thinks of herself as some kind of hard-done-by Suffering Saint Jane just because she was the first woman. It still doesn't occur to her that the manner in which Rudd was rolled was detested by the public.
don_dunstan
He lost my respect by Privatising and de-regulating the economy.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan If you think that any country will overlook a trading community of 500 million for one of 50 million then you are making literally no sense.

You think if will be alright based on nothing. And I  think the UK will be toast.O am going to agree to disagree on this one.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It's only really a trading bloc, Michael, you (and others) are putting way too much sway on it. Didn't even exist till the seventies - by your account the UK existed in the dark ages before then. History is littered with defunct empires, the EU is on the way to being one of them; the central government and the problems of the Euro simply disappear into the annals of history before too long. The UK are just getting out early, that's all.

History will say that I'm right, what's the bet...
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

It's only really a trading bloc, Michael, you (and others) are putting way too much sway on it. Didn't even exist till the seventies - by your account the UK existed in the dark ages before then. History is littered with defunct empires, the EU is on the way to being one of them; the central government and the problems of the Euro simply disappear into the annals of history before too long. The UK are just getting out early, that's all.

History will say that I'm right, what's the bet...
don_dunstan
Opinonated much. Cannot even get the history right. The origins of the European Union Started in 1958 as the Treaty of Rome. Never said that the UK existed in the dark ages, although it was widely acknowledged that the UK was the sick man of Europe. It is rather like the point you made about Eastern European cheap labour. Never mentioned Eastern Europeans or immigration so why bring it up? You are arguing about points that I never made. The European Union is a political union and I hate to break it to you, but no one else wants to leave it.

No bet, you know the UK is going to be badly affected, even Jeremy Hunt, who now wants Brexit is stating that with a heavy heart people will lose their jobs but it has to happen because people voted for Brexit.  If the UK survives and thrives I will be the first to shake your hand. I hope to god you are right. It is not looking at all good though.

I think you are putting to much sway on your opinion and too much faith in Boris Johnson.

Michael
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

It's only really a trading bloc, Michael, you (and others) are putting way too much sway on it. Didn't even exist till the seventies - by your account the UK existed in the dark ages before then. History is littered with defunct empires, the EU is on the way to being one of them; the central government and the problems of the Euro simply disappear into the annals of history before too long. The UK are just getting out early, that's all.

History will say that I'm right, what's the bet...
Opinonated much. Cannot even get the history right. The origins of the European Union Started in 1958 as the Treaty of Rome. Never said that the UK existed in the dark ages, although it was widely acknowledged that the UK was the sick man of Europe. It is rather like the point you made about Eastern European cheap labour. Never mentioned Eastern Europeans or immigration so why bring it up? You are arguing about points that I never made. The European Union is a political union and I hate to break it to you, but no one else wants to leave it.

No bet, you know the UK is going to be badly affected, even Jeremy Hunt, who now wants Brexit is stating that with a heavy heart people will lose their jobs but it has to happen because people voted for Brexit.  If the UK survives and thrives I will be the first to shake your hand. I hope to god you are right. It is not looking at all good though.

I think you are putting to much sway on your opinion and too much faith in Boris Johnson.

Michael
mejhammers1
Started much earlier just after WW2 as the European Steel and Coal Union in an attempt to stop squabbles over Alsec coal and iron ore.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Opinonated much. Cannot even get the history right. The origins of the European Union Started in 1958 as the Treaty of Rome.
mejhammers1
You could argue that it started even earlier with the Marshall Plan.
Never mentioned Eastern Europeans or immigration so why bring it up? You are arguing about points that I never made.
mejhammers1

You're pretending they're on the precipice of a huge recession - I'm just pointing out that wages are up, unemployment is down. It's all due to the unregulated flow of labour from the EU being stemmed.

Call me racist, I know you're just dying to...
The European Union is a political union and I hate to break it to you, but no one else wants to leave it.
mejhammers1
So I must have imagined the Greek and Italian opposition, the Basques, all the other people who want to leave.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
So I must have imagined the Greek and Italian opposition, the Basques, all the other people who want to leave.
Don dunstan


I think not, Their economies are known to be weak and volatile unlike the Mighty Mother Country.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan I am not going to call you a racist that is your assumption. So dont go there.

I have already explained that the UK could have  controlled migration from other eu states the UK chose not to and the legia nord a governing party in the coalition in Italy whilst campaining for exiting the EU has now stated that they do not want to exit the eurozone never mind the eu.

All the experts have stated that there will be a recession. I hope they are wrong. But all you have given me is opinion. You think Brexit is great, I on analysis from forecasta from expert bodies think it will be a disaster


Michael

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