PLA entering Hong Kong?

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Meanwhile in America, land of the free or whatever, hold up a sign supporting freedom in Hong Kong and you'll get booted from a game:
https://6abc.com/amp/sports/sixers-fan-supporting-hong-hong-ejected-from-preseason-game/5604293/

The fear within the NBA of losing money because of protests against Chinese tyranny has them cowering in submission to the CCP.

Pathetic.

Google "Daryl Morey" for more information...
Carnot
Honestly, if I'm going to a NBA Basket ball, I'm not interested in any political crap, "time and place" being the key phrase. So yes, kick her out and its got nothing to do with sponsorship.

However listening on the radio this morning I hear the NBA sticking up for a coach's comments supporting HK, not sure of context by the business breakfast announcer said, good on the NBA for standing behind their people's right to free speech and not caving into the financial pressure.

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Xi starts ramping up the warnings:
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
These protests in Hong Kong are taking a dangerous new turn over the past week or so, the protestors are becoming more and more brazen towards the authorities. it really does make you wonder how long Beijing can maintain their patience, this has been going on for some 6 months now.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Riot police have stormed the Polytech University where protestors have been barricaded inside, some military have apparently been sighted dressed in riot gear.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Riot police have stormed the Polytech University where protestors have been barricaded inside, some military have apparently been sighted dressed in riot gear.
lsrailfan
I fully support the protesters. China should butt out of HK and it should become a separate country. I doubt China will risk the back lash from sending the PLA into HK as they know their defence forces are no match for the US forces at the moment.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Riot police have stormed the Polytech University where protestors have been barricaded inside, some military have apparently been sighted dressed in riot gear.
I fully support the protesters. China should butt out of HK and it should become a separate country. I doubt China will risk the back lash from sending the PLA into HK as they know their defence forces are no match for the US forces at the moment.
nswtrains
HK is a legal territory of Republic of China, it was not taken by force hence China has every legal right to stop the protesters just as Australia would have the same should one state or territory try to distance itself from Federation of Australia .

The protesters are stepping this up to a level for which Beijing will be forced to intervene and likely many of the citizens of HK may actually welcome it. How they do this the world will be watching .

As for the US, you obviously need a geography lesson, the US has no legal right get involved with HK as it is a territory of the RPC and they have not attempted to even succeed from China. Just look at the US's position with Taiwan, it does not recognize the island as a independent state.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Riot police have stormed the Polytech University where protestors have been barricaded inside, some military have apparently been sighted dressed in riot gear.
I fully support the protesters. China should butt out of HK and it should become a separate country. I doubt China will risk the back lash from sending the PLA into HK as they know their defence forces are no match for the US forces at the moment.
HK is a legal territory of Republic of China, it was not taken by force hence China has every legal right to stop the protesters just as Australia would have the same should one state or territory try to distance itself from Federation of Australia .

The protesters are stepping this up to a level for which Beijing will be forced to intervene and likely many of the citizens of HK may actually welcome it. How they do this the world will be watching .

As for the US, you obviously need a geography lesson, the US has no legal right get involved with HK as it is a territory of the RPC and they have not attempted to even succeed from China. Just look at the US's position with Taiwan, it does not recognize the island as a independent state.
RTT_Rules
I think Beijing is slowly starting to respond in their own way, the problem will be when they eventually clear out the Polytech University, they will have the rest of Hong Kong to deal with, as those protestors have lost the plot in a major way!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I think Beijing is slowly starting to respond in their own way, the problem will be when they eventually clear out the Polytech University, they will have the rest of Hong Kong to deal with, as those protestors have lost the plot in a major way!
lsrailfan
agree,
I can see midnight door knocking becoming a thing with people "disappearing".
(there is a small country near where I am that had escalating protests a few years back. Neighbor country was invited to come in a sort them as they had the physical size. A few friends told me X, Y, Z etc desks in their office remained vacant shortly after with no answering of the phone and never heard of again.

I wonder if the average HK'er is now with the protesters or govt?

regards
Shane
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I think Beijing is slowly starting to respond in their own way, the problem will be when they eventually clear out the Polytech University, they will have the rest of Hong Kong to deal with, as those protestors have lost the plot in a major way!
agree,
I can see midnight door knocking becoming a thing with people "disappearing".
(there is a small country near where I am that had escalating protests a few years back. Neighbor country was invited to come in a sort them as they had the physical size. A few friends told me X, Y, Z etc desks in their office remained vacant shortly after with no answering of the phone and never heard of again.

I wonder if the average HK'er is now with the protesters or govt?

regards
Shane
RTT_Rules
Doubt we'd know, as the situation is extremely chaotic and the news we are fed is always slated to one side. I'd say 50/50 from what I can deduce
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
In mobs people are emboldened and things can quickly get out of hand. I do feel sorry for anyone who looked around and the mob weren't there, only the police. I doubt they expected to be facing ten years in prison.

Still many in this country believe our protestors should be turned into speed humps even though there's not a Molotov cocktail to be seen.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
In mobs people are emboldened and things can quickly get out of hand. I do feel sorry for anyone who looked around and the mob weren't there, only the police. I doubt they expected to be facing ten years in prison.

Still many in this country believe our protestors should be turned into speed humps even though there's not a Molotov cocktail to be seen.
Groundrelay
Oz citizens going about their day to day business have rights, likewise Protesters also have Rights, but they also have rules and more importantly, commonsense.

A Protester does not have the right to block or interrupt the free movement of others going about their business.

They do not have the right to cause harm to others or property or break the law.

By in law Australia I believe they are supposed to have a permit to protest.

A protester climbing ontop of a train, blocking a tram etc in the name of Climate Change is breaking the law and should be punished accordingly or if the police don't get in their first, will be turned into a speed bump.

Regardless of the movement, a protester may not be right and more often than not exercising a extreme view, hence they have rules to follow to ensure they have the right to exercise their voice, but not affect the lives and property of others, including property owned by the taxpayer.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Oz citizens going about their day to day business have rights…
RTT_Rules
[citation needed]
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Oz citizens going about their day to day business have rights…
[citation needed]
justapassenger
*However, We have a right to ban protests we disagree with and raid media outlets who publish embarrassing stories about or government and its foreign policy?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It must be humiliating for the Chinese Communist Party....

Incidentally, the sole vote against the Bill in Congress was from libertarian Republican Thomas Massie who has never voted for sanctions.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It must be humiliating for the Chinese Communist Party....

Incidentally, the sole vote against the Bill in Congress was from libertarian Republican Thomas Massie who has never voted for sanctions.
Carnot
It probably is, however they have respected the one country two systems principle so far, not sure though for how much longer.

Anyway, with the recent election in Hong Kong, the Pro-Beijing Party still came on-top with a slight swing to the Anti-Mainland side. The US bill Probably will inflame things further.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
It must be humiliating for the Chinese Communist Party....

Incidentally, the sole vote against the Bill in Congress was from libertarian Republican Thomas Massie who has never voted for sanctions.
It probably is, however they have respected the one country two systems principle so far, not sure though for how much longer.

Anyway, with the recent election in Hong Kong, the Pro-Beijing Party still came on-top with a slight swing to the Anti-Mainland side. The US bill Probably will inflame things further.
Dangersdan707
Yes, but its not 1989. The PLA go in gun-ho and the 4k HD video taken from 10,000 different angles will be broad cast Chinese social media faster than pick-pocket in Rome. The communist party is in power only because the Chinese people tolerate them. The communist party is only one large uprising away from being dumped. They known the Chinese people don't believe their propaganda, trust the govt and only tolerate their on going control due to lack of organised opposition and people generally fearing the mass blood flow that will result which will likely make WW2 death toll look like a US mass shooting in comparison.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
It must be humiliating for the Chinese Communist Party....

Incidentally, the sole vote against the Bill in Congress was from libertarian Republican Thomas Massie who has never voted for sanctions.
It probably is, however they have respected the one country two systems principle so far, not sure though for how much longer.

Anyway, with the recent election in Hong Kong, the Pro-Beijing Party still came on-top with a slight swing to the Anti-Mainland side. The US bill Probably will inflame things further.
Dangersdan707
I thought the outcome was a major headache for the central govt

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3039832/hong-kong-election-success-pro-democracy-camp-gives-beijing

Beijing will need to handle its relationship with Hong Kong’s tycoons more carefully after the landslide election victory by the opposition camp made them the accidental “kingmakers” in the choice of the next leader, analysts say.

The pro-democracy camp won 392 out of 452 seats in Sunday’s vote, taking control of 17 out of 18 district councils.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It must be humiliating for the Chinese Communist Party....

Incidentally, the sole vote against the Bill in Congress was from libertarian Republican Thomas Massie who has never voted for sanctions.
It probably is, however they have respected the one country two systems principle so far, not sure though for how much longer.

Anyway, with the recent election in Hong Kong, the Pro-Beijing Party still came on-top with a slight swing to the Anti-Mainland side. The US bill Probably will inflame things further.
Dangersdan707
I thought the outcome was a major headache for the central govt

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3039832/hong-kong-election-success-pro-democracy-camp-gives-beijing

Beijing will need to handle its relationship with Hong Kong’s tycoons more carefully after the landslide election victory by the opposition camp made them the accidental “kingmakers” in the choice of the next leader, analysts say.

The pro-democracy camp won 392 out of 452 seats in Sunday’s vote, taking control of 17 out of 18 district councils.
"RTT_Rules"

Interesting, I seemingly read somewhere that nothing really changed. I omit my prior statement. Popular vote was won by a pro mainland party however.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I thought the outcome was a major headache for the central govt

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3039832/hong-kong-election-success-pro-democracy-camp-gives-beijing

Beijing will need to handle its relationship with Hong Kong’s tycoons more carefully after the landslide election victory by the opposition camp made them the accidental “kingmakers” in the choice of the next leader, analysts say.
The pro-democracy camp won 392 out of 452 seats in Sunday’s vote, taking control of 17 out of 18 district councils.

Interesting, I seemingly read somewhere that nothing really changed. I omit my prior statement. Popular vote was won by a pro mainland party however.
Dangersdan707
...I'm thinking something about glass houses and stones. So obviously no issue from my side.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Regardless of the movement, a protester may not be right and more often than not exercising a extreme view, hence they have rules to follow to ensure they have the right to exercise their voice, but not affect the lives and property of others, including property owned by the taxpayer.
RTT_Rules
So it's very much in the eye of the beholder as what constitutes an extremist view and appropriate forms of protest.

In many countries any opposition to the status quo is considered extremist. Those that claim 'the right' are intolerant of any change which they believe is a threat. Always have, always will.

With HK, I suspect the UK expected China to catch up to their former colony. Well they certainly have economically. China has evolved into a capitalist, industrialised, socialist autocracy, an apparent contradiction but then western countries were getting rich for centuries before pluralistic democracy emerged. China will not go the way of the USSR because they seem to be satisfying the economic needs of the individual sufficient to overcome their want for greater freedoms. People want food and stability in their lives more than freedom, which is why Putin is well entrenched in post soviet Russia.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Regardless of the movement, a protester may not be right and more often than not exercising a extreme view, hence they have rules to follow to ensure they have the right to exercise their voice, but not affect the lives and property of others, including property owned by the taxpayer.
So it's very much in the eye of the beholder as what constitutes an extremist view and appropriate forms of protest.

In many countries any opposition to the status quo is considered extremist. Those that claim 'the right' are intolerant of any change which they believe is a threat. Always have, always will.

With HK, I suspect the UK expected China to catch up to their former colony. Well they certainly have economically. China has evolved into a capitalist, industrialised, socialist autocracy, an apparent contradiction but then western countries were getting rich for centuries before pluralistic democracy emerged. China will not go the way of the USSR because they seem to be satisfying the economic needs of the individual sufficient to overcome their want for greater freedoms. People want food and stability in their lives more than freedom, which is why Putin is well entrenched in post soviet Russia.
Groundrelay
No, not quite.

I did not say they don't have a right to protest, they have a right to express their view, verbally, not destroy other peoples property or inflict violence or interfere with others.  For example does a climate change protester have the right to damage your car?

China deviated from USSR style Communist ideology from the start and its basically because of their Asian culture. For example in the USSR they had state based welfare where as China and other Asian Socialist / Communist countries they have a traditional family based welfare.

Where Communism failed in the USSR is basically because they ran out of money (the down fall of most Socialist societies) and had not evolved beyond Centralised everything. China allowed small scale capitalism and controlled larger scale over time selling its govt run and in many cases failing companies to the private sector.

My Russian suppliers and colleges say Putin relies and the large Russian poor for support. They only get access Russian based media because outside media is expensive and Russia as a nation is poor with English, the direct opposite to Eastern Europe.  Any wealth generated in Russia is locked up in the elite whose families normally don't live in Russia. Which drives the middle class brain drain from Russia and why Russian women are leading the charge. I was told Putin's own daughters do not live in Russia.

Putin nearly tripped up a few years back when video was leaked on social media of his Govt jets internal fit outs. Luxury would be an understatement. In the mean time Putin trusts no body with his personal security and he's known to require the govt jet fleet to ALL be ready to go, fuelled, staffed etc. No one knows which plane he will use until he walked up the stairs. Meanwhile when Putin came to the UAE (read one of the world's safest and most secure countries) last month, his schedule was on a need to know basis only. There was not publicized itinerary and we only heard after the fact. The US President's itinerary is more public.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!

I did not say they don't have a right to protest, they have a right to express their view, verbally, not destroy other peoples property or inflict violence or interfere with others.  For example does a climate change protester have the right to damage your car?
RTT_Rules
So the HK protestors have definitely been in the wrong from Day 1?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

I did not say they don't have a right to protest, they have a right to express their view, verbally, not destroy other peoples property or inflict violence or interfere with others.  For example does a climate change protester have the right to damage your car? So the HK protestors have definitely been in the wrong from Day 1?
Groundrelay
No, they were peaceful.

Before twisting my words, please go back to what I said earlier on on the exact same thing.

its all been done before, "Martin Luther King, Jr., was a Baptist minister and social rights activist in the United States in the 1950s and '60s. He was a leader of the American civil rights movement. He organized a number of peaceful protests as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, including the famous March on Washington"
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner


I did not say they don't have a right to protest, they have a right to express their view, verbally, not destroy other peoples property or inflict violence or interfere with others.  For example does a climate change protester have the right to damage your car? So the HK protestors have definitely been in the wrong from Day 1?No, they were peaceful.

Before twisting my words, please go back to what I said earlier on on the exact same thing.

its all been done before, "Martin Luther King, Jr., was a Baptist minister and social rights activist in the United States in the 1950s and '60s. He was a leader of the American civil rights movement. He organized a number of peaceful protests as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, including the famous March on Washington"
RTT_Rules
And for his troubles he was shot by a white nutcase in that motel in Memphis. So much for peaceful demonstration. By the way, if you are ever in Memphis you should make it a point of visiting the motel which is now a civil rights museum.

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