Severe weather and Bushfire thread 2019/20

 
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7799105/Fire-chief-slams-Scott-Morrison-going-holiday-discussing-bushfires-climate.html

He aint no John Curtin
wobert
But not the first PM to disappear without a trace in the middle of December.

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Two fast-moving fires in the regions surrounding Adelaide have reached Emergency status today.

One started at Cudlee Creek in the Adelaide Hills, and is burning towards Lobethal, Lenswood and Woodside. If this can't be stopped quickly, it may jump the Onkaparinga River and get into rugged terrain where it could be very hard to stop. Lots of the smaller water bombers are in action, plus the larger Avro RJ85 flying out of RAAF Edinburgh.

The other started at the Northern Expressway between Angle Vale and Gawler, and is currently threatening the outer northern suburbs near Munno Para. It could swing towards Gawler when the wind changes later in the afternoon.

The wind has reached the threshold to switch off electricity in a number of areas to prevent lines dislodged by flying debris from starting fires.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Doesn't look good at all in the Northern Suburbs. Apparently property damaged near Angle Vale already.

Here in Central Vic we have a smoke haze from NSW.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7799105/Fire-chief-slams-Scott-Morrison-going-holiday-discussing-bushfires-climate.html

He aint no John Curtin
But not the first PM to disappear without a trace in the middle of December.
justapassenger
He announced his return on the national broadcaster (2GB) in a no holds barred interview this morning.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Angle Vale fire is now showing as contained, but it's very windy out that way so there is still a Watch And Act in place.

The Cudlee Creek fire now has the Emergency Warning area extending all the way to past Inverbrackie, plus a Watch And Act covering Balhannah, Oakbank, Hahndorf, Littlehampton, Nairne, Brukunga (ironically including the CFS training centre), Harrogate, Mount Torrens, Birdwood, Gumeracha.

Electricity has been turned off due to the wind conditions across a massive area of the Lower Mid-North extending all the way from the coast as Far East as Kapunda, and from Gawler as far north as Balaklava and Riverton. This is the area which had the Pinery Fire a couple of years ago and the conditions are worse today, so hopefully nothing will start there.


Both the Watch And Act in the hills and the electricity suspension area out north include lengthy sections of the ARTC network (about 22km of the Adelaide-Melbourne line, about 27km of the Adelaide-Crystal Brook line) so hopefully rail traffic will be suspended until the winds die down.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Just to make things worse, we have thunderstorms starting to come in.

One has started a grass fire just north of Maitland, ground and aerial resources are responding.

Note the time stamps on these radar images on the BOM website.



  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Here in Central Vic we have a smoke haze from NSW.
"Carnot"
We have it here in Melbourne. I'm about 4 km as the crow flies from the CBD, and can hardly see any of the high rise buildings. The smell of smoke is quite strong.

As an aside, this illustrates just how big weather systems are, when northerly winds can send smoke down from NSW.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Here in Central Vic we have a smoke haze from NSW.
We have it here in Melbourne. I'm about 4 km as the crow flies from the CBD, and can hardly see any of the high rise buildings. The smell of smoke is quite strong.

As an aside, this illustrates just how big weather systems are, when northerly winds can send smoke down from NSW.
Valvegear
Friends in New Zealand told me they could smell it.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I have multiple sets of friends in the line of the Cudlee Creek fire, they’ve all been evacuated to safety.

The situation in Australia is all over the media in Europe, everyone knows and everyone that learns I am Australian asks if the fires are near our home...
  Trans-Siberian Station Master

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
Class actions against State & Federal Governments

Should the fire-victims (people & businesses) be considering Class actions against State (NSW & Queensland) & Federal Governments for failing to prepare by providing or engaging better fire-fighting resources...?

After ScoMoooo approved ONLY a paltry 11 million dollars....Federal Government announces $11m aerial firefighting boost after calls for more water-bombers - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/federal-government-announces-aerial-firefighting-boost/11790862

Meanwhile....Queensland bushfire emergency sees inspirational 'Dad's Army' of volunteer firefighters step up - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-15/dads-army-fighting-fires-woodgate-bundaberg-qld/11707876

NSW Bushfires cut Batemans Bay off from thousands of tourists during Christmas season - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/batemans-bay-currowan-fire-tourism-impact/11821038

....and its Karma for the smart-@#$% who criticised Christine Nixon for going to dinner (she was still in Victoria)....while ScoMooo abandoned his post and went overseas....Scott Morrison returns home to face bushfire crisis after cutting holiday short - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/prime-minister-scott-morrison-returns-home-as-bushfires-rage/11821258
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Class actions against State & Federal Governments

Should the fire-victims (people & businesses) be considering Class actions against State (NSW & Queensland) & Federal Governments for failing to prepare by providing or engaging better fire-fighting resources...?

After ScoMoooo approved ONLY a paltry 11 million dollars....Federal Government announces $11m aerial firefighting boost after calls for more water-bombers - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/federal-government-announces-aerial-firefighting-boost/11790862

Meanwhile....Queensland bushfire emergency sees inspirational 'Dad's Army' of volunteer firefighters step up - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-15/dads-army-fighting-fires-woodgate-bundaberg-qld/11707876

NSW Bushfires cut Batemans Bay off from thousands of tourists during Christmas season - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/batemans-bay-currowan-fire-tourism-impact/11821038

....and its Karma for the smart-@#$% who criticised Christine Nixon for going to dinner (she was still in Victoria)....while ScoMooo abandoned his post and went overseas....Scott Morrison returns home to face bushfire crisis after cutting holiday short - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/prime-minister-scott-morrison-returns-home-as-bushfires-rage/11821258
Trans-Siberian
This thought has crossed my mind also.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
These fires have burnt out close to 3 Million hectares in N.S.W. the scary thing is, that there is still a heck of a lot of bush to burn out there! but that's the reality of it sadly, without rain, the fire crisis will just get worse and worse Sad
  Hafenbahn Locomotive Fireman

Sydney Trains have announced on their website that passenger trains between Sydney and Lithgow/Bathurst will only run as far as Mt Victoria until further notice. This due to infrastructure damage from the bushfires which were severe in the region around Clarence, Newnes Junction, Bell and the site of the former station for Hartley Vale.
At the Railway Bookshop on Monday a customer showed me a photo of the burnt out remains of Newnes Junction signal box, there wasn't much left.
I'm guessing that Clarence Colliery trains won't be running for some time. Through freight will likely be diverted, probably via the main South (depending on what damage occurred in the Sthn Highlands) which may present some photography opportunities for some.
Happily Pamak Hobbies at Bargo have a message on their website that their property survived the fire and that they have been allowed to return home.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
These fires have burnt out close to 3 Million hectares in N.S.W. the scary thing is, that there is still a heck of a lot of bush to burn out there! but that's the reality of it sadly, without rain, the fire crisis will just get worse and worse Sad
lsrailfan
Most of the Australian Alps into NSW has been OK so far. However dry thunderstorms with strong winds are forecast (but we don't trust BoM anymore Razz )
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It's a different story on the Victorian side.

The Marthavale and Bruthen fires have now joined to form one complex with a perimeter of over 1000km, and the Great Alpine Road has been cut.

The front of the Cann River fire moved 24km in just a few hours last night and will probably cut the Princes Highway when the wind change arrives tomorrow morning.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
Meanwhile in Mill Park, the fire in Plenty Gorge is under control. Can only see the smoke from Jubilee Crescent, although the smoke did manage to get to Preston at its worst.
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Is Mallacoota safe now?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
The beautiful little town of Cobargo has been hit hard.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-31/nsw-bushfires-cobargo-fire-destroys-towns-main-street/11834322
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The beautiful little town of Cobargo has been hit hard.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-31/nsw-bushfires-cobargo-fire-destroys-towns-main-street/11834322
Groundrelay
Sadly 2 have been confirmed dead in Cobargo:( , massive fires on the South Coast, especially around the Bateman's Bay area.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Is Mallacoota safe now?
MetroFemme
Probably not.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Is Mallacoota safe now?
Probably not.
speedemon08
Certainly not.

Even though the fire front has passed, it will have left an active fire ground behind it. There will be structures burning, gas cylinders cooking off, trees burning from the inside out...
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Is Mallacoota safe now?
Probably not.
Certainly not.

Even though the fire front has passed, it will have left an active fire ground behind it. There will be structures burning, gas cylinders cooking off, trees burning from the inside out...
justapassenger
And the freeway is closed from Bairnsdale to Bombala to North of Batemans Bay.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Is Mallacoota safe now?
Probably not.
Certainly not.

Even though the fire front has passed, it will have left an active fire ground behind it. There will be structures burning, gas cylinders cooking off, trees burning from the inside out...
And the freeway is closed from Bairnsdale to Bombala to North of Batemans Bay.
speedemon08
There is a freeway from Bairnsdale to Bombala to north of Batemans Bay?

Serious???

Take my advice sonny, you're more than qualified to get a job as a reporter for Channel 7 or the Murdoch press.

Back to topic.

Mildura has recorded its lowest ever annual rainfall amount, a paltry 116.5mm, in real terms not much more than the average for Dubai.
  Dave C Chief Train Controller

Location: Maitland
We have a long way to go with I believe unfortunately a lot more to loss to come. I take my hat off to those out on the front line who are giving there all please be safe out there we have lost to many already.

What I am totally disgusted in is the arrogance of the NSW State Government. I still cannot believe after the press caning of our PM (yes it was the wrong decision to go on holidays) that they have not picked up on the poor leadership from NSW government on this.

NSW as far as I can tell still has not matched the Feudal Governments extra leave provisions for State Government Employees who are Volunteer fire fighters or supporting our Fire services. Then to allow the minister and deputy premier to go overseas on Holidays is a show of totally disregard to the people they serve at this time.

Our PM has constantly said he will give the states what they ask for so if NSW haven't asked for it they wont get it. That's the way the system should work but when the state doesn't ask for it its the states issue not the PM as he cannot force it on the state even if he wonts too.

Look at Vic the Fire Services Commissioner stated he has gone to Defence and said this is the outcome I need what can you do for us and look at what he gets.

About time NSW Government stopped the spin and hiding the facts and told us what is really going on they are starting to make the past corrupt Labour government look good.

To all please be safe.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Is Mallacoota safe now?
Probably not.
Certainly not.

Even though the fire front has passed, it will have left an active fire ground behind it. There will be structures burning, gas cylinders cooking off, trees burning from the inside out...
justapassenger
More on Mallacoota: Army helicopters have been used to deliver satellite phones (because mobile phone service is out) and fresh firefighters to relieve those who had been on the fire ground for over 48 hours, and a couple of the ADF's amphibious transports are being used to deliver emergency supplies and evacuate people.

So I would say still not safe at all.

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