Severe weather and Bushfire thread 2019/20

 
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
More on Mallacoota: Army helicopters have been used to deliver satellite phones (because mobile phone service is out) and fresh firefighters to relieve those who had been on the fire ground for over 48 hours, and a couple of the ADF's amphibious transports are being used to deliver emergency supplies and evacuate people.
"justapassenger"
Excellent work. It seems to demonstrate that there's no harm in asking for help.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Everybody is being told on the South Coast of NSW to more or less get out before it is too late, catastrophic conditions are forecast for Saturday, they are saying it could be as bad, or worse than it was on New Year's Eve, the Premier has declared a 7 day state of Emergency starting from tomorrow.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
As Aussies, we would probably take offence at being told be shouldn’t/can’t holiday at our favourite destinations, despite many of those being in bushfire prone areas AND smack bang in bushfire season. People can make of that what the want.
However, the assumption many of these places might be immune from the disaster we’re now seeing might reset some of those thoughts.
After all, the main attraction of many being the bush/beach and all the freedoms it provides from the busy city lives many of us lead and the relaxation we enjoy from them.

The destruction of many these we have seen thus far may now inevitably have a down side with reduced numbers of visitors in the future. The time it takes to rebuild structures and amenities obviously takes time and money. The time taken for regeneration of the bush and wildlife (being for many an integral part of their destination choice) will be much longer and would be depending on favourable weather.


Aside from the varying support mechanisms and donation possibilities for various organisations supporting the local  community and wildlife etc, I’d like to think that in due time when things have calmed down, that we remember these places that have suffered, and try to return there with the view to supporting local business.
Whether you stay there or pass through after having stopped for a meal and a coffee/beer, spending your coin in these places will be one of the best ways of helping due to the flow on benefits of that.

For your consideration.

Regards
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Funny how the first climate refugees that the Navy rescued, are Australians............
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
in line with the severe weather aspect of this thread, 2019 will go down as the hottest and driest year on record in Australia:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-02/2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/11837312

I know, I know, records have only been kept for a century or so, but what is not always realised by those who say that there's nothing to see here is the fact that the average temperature itself is rising due to the predominance of recent above average years. Thus, beating the average next year for example, will only exacerbate what we are experiencing lately.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

More on Mallacoota: Army helicopters have been used to deliver satellite phones (because mobile phone service is out) and fresh firefighters to relieve those who had been on the fire ground for over 48 hours, and a couple of the ADF's amphibious transports are being used to deliver emergency supplies and evacuate people.
justapassenger
Excellent work. It seems to demonstrate that there's no harm in asking for help.
Valvegear
This just underlies the ongoing cultural problems in the RFS. The staff and volunteers are entrenched in a factional war, and the only thing that unites them is their opposition to calling in external resources. They're happy to have some help with transport (RAAF transports have been flying around firefighters for over eight weeks now) but not with anything directly fire-related.

The CFA was very quick to recommend the government call on heavier ADF support when things in Victoria exploded into a major crisis, and I'm sure the CFS would have done the same in SA as well. Both services would have called on heavy ADF support much earlier if they were running things in NSW.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
in line with the severe weather aspect of this thread, 2019 will go down as the hottest and driest year on record in Australia:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-02/2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/11837312

I know, I know, records have only been kept for a century or so, but what is not always realised by those who say that there's nothing to see here is the fact that the average temperature itself is rising due to the predominance of recent above average years. Thus, beating the average next year for example, will only exacerbate what we are experiencing lately.
DirtyBallast
Friends of mine in normally high rainfall areas are in drought. Rainforests are burning. Climate Change of 1 or even 4 degrees average isn't going to be noticed by the average punter however it is drying out the land quicker.

Scientists have been warning us for decades and even if we did nothing to address greenhouse emissions, we should have been putting far more money/effort into protection and mitigation. I'm angry for friends facing this unprecedented fire season with months more to go and no rain in sight.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Yep.

What I also find irksome is that the government imply that the country can't afford to make certain decisions for mitigation and protection, but look at the huge cost of what is happening now.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
There are still about 13 blazes at Emergency Level Warning tonight as I type this, the town of Batlow in the Snowy Mountains region has come under attack tonight, today out at Penrith in Sydney it topped an amazing 48.6 degrees!!, a Southerly Buster is making it's way up the coast at the moment, we are waiting for it's arrival in Sydney.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Pink and celebs have raised 20 million for NSW victims of fire. Thanks Tinseltown
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Loads of damage in N.S.W and Victoria this weekend, the Southern Highlands were hit particularly hard, with Wingello almost being wiped out,  the town of Batlow near the Snowy Mountains was decimated, with 100's of livestock being lost in the area, I believe $30 Million has been raised so far for the Red Cross disaster relief appeal, me and my mum donated $50 dollars each last week.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Some extreme weather from overseas for a change. The 24H Dubai endurance race was red flagged and results declared early when so much rain fell that the race cars (high tech GT3, GT4 and TCR cars) could not keep up with the full circuit caution speed of 60km/h and sections of the Dubai Autodrome needed to be pumped out.

https://sportscar365.com/other-series/24hseries/24h-dubai-will-not-resume-black-falcon-wins/
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
The news feeds will soon drop the bushfire coverage the minute the cyclones up north start to get a bit more traction and cause some major havoc.

That, or the resulting destruction by the fires to core parts of our food bowl and the delayed knock on effect is has on food prices.
People are soon going to get the sads when the  prices of beef/lamb go thru the roof, and there’s no weeties on the table because the wheat belt got burned out.

A delayed consequence of the fires, but coming it surely will be.

Regards
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
People are soon going to get the sads when the  prices of beef/lamb go thru the roof
davesvline
When? It's already happened, but I don't doubt they'll go even higher!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I have no problem with an increase in price of beef, lamb and other produce when demand outstrips supply - SO LONG AS the those lucky enough to have stock survive, or not be threatened by the fires donate the difference in price to those other farmers that have lost nearly everything.

I have no problem with farmers making money, but I think it would be unfair of them to do it at the loss of many, many others.

A colleague of mine lives on Kangaroo Island, she informed me today that her house went up yesterday, just a single sculpture in the yard survived but she will be at work tomorrow, because, well she effectively has nowhere else to be and nothing else to do.

She’ll be okay, it’s a house and land, and they’ll be able to rebuild, but her parents in law have lost everything too - including their entire stud of valuable sheep. A lifetime of genetic mapping and selective breeding gone. They were due to sell the stud and retire in the next few years, sure insurance will build them a new house, and pay them a nominal value for the lost stock, but the business is worthless now, they will go from relatively wealthy self funded retirees to relying on a pension most likely.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I have no problem with an increase in price of beef, lamb and other produce when demand outstrips supply - SO LONG AS the those lucky enough to have stock survive, or not be threatened by the fires donate the difference in price to those other farmers that have lost nearly everything.

I have no problem with farmers making money, but I think it would be unfair of them to do it at the loss of many, many others.
Aaron
So long as such an assessment is made objectively and comprehensively, I generally agree with this point of view.

I doubt that higher market prices will actually see much more make it through to the farmers who are still going. The supermarket cartel will stick with their fixed price contracts, supplier costs will rise and insurance costs will go through the roof.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It seems as though the Monsoon season has started up North, I am hearing that fairly substantial rains are forecast over the fire grounds in N.S.W later this week, and into the weekend, while they might not be drought breaking rains, they will be a welcome sight for sure!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It seems as though the Monsoon season has started up North, I am hearing that fairly substantial rains are forecast over the fire grounds in N.S.W later this week, and into the weekend, while they might not be drought breaking rains, they will be a welcome sight for sure!
lsrailfan

A friend reposted a FB post from this time around 9 years ago. Flooding rains will end the record breaking drought!
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Spend up to the wazoo and pipe Lake Argyle into central NSW.

That lakes astronomical to the point they’re growing rice in the area. So I’m told. Always being topped up by monsoonal rains.

Pipeline wouldn’t be cheap I have no doubt. But I like numbers, give us a number for a useful size pipe, all the pumping stations required etc to get it over here.
Match that against the cost of this bushfire to NSW alone, and still try and convince us it’s not worth it.

Be interested in knowing. What other plan(s) exist for the sustainability of our food bowl, or even as a drought mitigation measure.

Regards

Ps. Anyone advocating for more back end pillaging of our river systems needs to take themselves out the back for a self administered uppercut. Our rivers are F...ed, on the off chance nobody noticed.

Regards
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It seems as though the Monsoon season has started up North, I am hearing that fairly substantial rains are forecast over the fire grounds in N.S.W later this week, and into the weekend, while they might not be drought breaking rains, they will be a welcome sight for sure!

A friend reposted a FB post from this time around 9 years ago. Flooding rains will end the record breaking drought!
RTT_Rules
I don't think flooding rains are on the forecast, but anyway.., I think someone from here may have said every 9 years something tends to happen...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Spend up to the wazoo and pipe Lake Argyle into central NSW.

That lakes astronomical to the point they’re growing rice in the area. So I’m told. Always being topped up by monsoonal rains.

Pipeline wouldn’t be cheap I have no doubt. But I like numbers, give us a number for a useful size pipe, all the pumping stations required etc to get it over here.
Match that against the cost of this bushfire to NSW alone, and still try and convince us it’s not worth it.

Be interested in knowing. What other plan(s) exist for the sustainability of our food bowl, or even as a drought mitigation measure.

Regards

Ps. Anyone advocating for more back end pillaging of our river systems needs to take themselves out the back for a self administered uppercut. Our rivers are F...ed, on the off chance nobody noticed.

Regards
davesvline
A pipeline from Nth WA to NSW isn't viable.One of the world's longest water pipelines and longest for nearly a century is the Kalgoolie pipeline and look at what is funding that. The fact that it too nearly a century for someone to build a pipeline longer shows its not most economical piece of infrastructure. The pump costs alone from NW WA would be astronomical and likely exceed the cost of pumping desal water from the Pacific.

All in all this project was simply a back of the enevelope "pipedream" without any serious thought to the level of Engineering and cost required. It belong in the same filing cabinet as "boom-arang railway", "  HSR Bridge to Tasmania to save on housing costs in Mel" " building a mountain ridge to catch more rain" and probably East Coast HSR.

Actually I think it would be better to flood Lake Eyre with a pipeline from the Spencer Gulf generating some power on the way would actually be better as it would increase evaporation and humidity in central Oz and western NSW and may increase rainfall.


Plan B:
How much waste water is generated by the major cities and towns along the east coast of NSW and SE Qld. You just need to pump it west over the range around 100-150km and discharge in the various creeks and rivers, Qld is already proceeding in part for water supply guarantee for Toowoomba and other granite belt towns and they have a waste water treatment system in place to enable water to be of drinkable standard. 50% can be made available for irrigation, the rest left to flow to the Murray River and to the sea.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Plan B:
How much waste water is generated by the major cities and towns along the east coast of NSW and SE Qld. You just need to pump it west over the range around 100-150km and discharge in the various creeks and rivers, Qld is already proceeding in part for water supply guarantee for Toowoomba and other granite belt towns and they have a waste water treatment system in place to enable water to be of drinkable standard. 50% can be made available for irrigation, the rest left to flow to the Murray River and to the sea.
RTT_Rules
Even better, treat it and recycle it where it is and divert existing Great Dividing Range dam outputs to Murray-Darling catchments.

And replace the century old irrigation channels in NSW with pipes so the portion that evaporates from the channels can be left in the rivers.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Plan B:
How much waste water is generated by the major cities and towns along the east coast of NSW and SE Qld. You just need to pump it west over the range around 100-150km and discharge in the various creeks and rivers, Qld is already proceeding in part for water supply guarantee for Toowoomba and other granite belt towns and they have a waste water treatment system in place to enable water to be of drinkable standard. 50% can be made available for irrigation, the rest left to flow to the Murray River and to the sea.
Even better, treat it and recycle it where it is and divert existing Great Dividing Range dam outputs to Murray-Darling catchments.

And replace the century old irrigation channels in NSW with pipes so the portion that evaporates from the channels can be left in the rivers.
justapassenger
The cities and towns are already hooked up to existing water supplies that are hard piped to the town/city that paid for them and many are facing water restrictions as levels drop.

Hard plumbing a closed loop water recycling plant into a tows water supply is still not considered ideal for a number of reasons.

However discharging such flows into the head waters of rivers, usually via a lagoon is deemed lower risk as it gives time for mother nature to work her magic as the water flows down the natural water course to their first customer. Also the water water flows are fairly constant in flow, guaranteed through flood and drought.

The waste water flows from towns on the west side of the range are small and discharged into the rivers or evaporation ponds, 10m people living between Sydney and Brisbane generate similar total flow as runs in the Darling.

Agree on the open channels and outlawing flood irrigation. Irrigation water price should be indexed to how efficiently its used not just who can pay the most.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Their crashing at the Australian Open due to the smoke.

  justapassenger Minister for Railways

That match should be resumed once the air is clear enough, or Jakupovic awarded a wildcard to the main tournament.

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