It's time to act on fast rail

 

News article: It's time to act on fast rail

Chief Minister Andrew Barr's statement that "the immediate focus should be on making the train faster and not on developing a high speed network" in reference to the future of the Canberra-Sydney rail link.

  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If that was done especially with the realignments making 200Km/h achievable but provide for future faster services when the need arises at least should be in the futures planning for rail.
a6et
I would suggest that those parts of the corridor which could be rebuilt on the existing route should be upgraded to allow for 200km/h electrified passenger service and 140km/h electric-hauled fast intermodal and ro-ro truck carriers.

New bypasses should be built to allow for 250km/h with passing loops for fast freight and the old line retained for heavy freight. No point going any slower than that if we want to make rail more attractive.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Coincidence? I deeedent think so....


https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/conspiracists-say-lasers-and-exploding-smart-meters-used-to-start-bushfires-to-make-way-for-a-new-train-network/news-story/24f154722befb3b3c20b748e3336ea19
ANR

There are actually people who believe this stuff Question

Is it any wonder we ended up with ScoMo running the country.

Mike.
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Let people believe what they want to believe ????

I've heard rumours of the Railpage forums being controlled by a shadowy global elite.......
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Coincidence? I deeedent think so....


https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/conspiracists-say-lasers-and-exploding-smart-meters-used-to-start-bushfires-to-make-way-for-a-new-train-network/news-story/24f154722befb3b3c20b748e3336ea19

There are actually people who believe this stuff Question

Is it any wonder we ended up with ScoMo running the country.

Mike.
The Vinelander
"running"?????
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Of course the link draws a parallel with California; home of the ratbag conspiracy movement.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller


There are actually people who believe this stuff Question

The Vinelander


NASA / NOAA meteorologists are having fun with the amount of data from bush fires ... some one will miss quote the reports ..
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Let people believe what they want to believe ????

I've heard rumours of the Railpage forums being controlled by a shadowy global elite.......
RedEyeExpress
More like a global mediocrity.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

With the 200k/h idea the NSW government and feds should upgrade Goulburn to Central as a bang for buck. 2 hrs Gouldburn then 3 hrs Canberra. Andrews could get onboard with more freight on rail Melbourne end. Then Gouldburn to Yass  next stage Then Yass Junee. Corrupt corporations to chuck in too. Only Coota missed out. No new satilite city's just more housing in the towns benefited from higher speed rail. ARTC is to be sold oneday so will they look at ideas like this then or not.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Any Rupert Murdoch media is 200% fake news a should be seen as high level trolling. I did 20 yrs at the Alchemists Ghetto creating spells for zombies to pay  towards the Anglo Judo Allah for atheists.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The people that dream up conspiracy theories on High speed rail and Agenda 21/2030 are the same people that wear Aussie flag bikinis at protests against mosques being built.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Start at Macurthur, head souh and rebuild the corridor to 200km/h, max, 150km/h average running, no more, no less is needed.

Phase 1 - Macuthur to Goulburn, route to Moss Vale will include long 3rd track passing lanes.
Phase 2 - Gou to Canberra
Phase 3 - Junee
Phase 4 - Wagga includes longer passing lanes
Phase 5 - Albury includes longer passing lanes
etc

From Melbourne side
Phase 1 also includes Broadmeadows to Seymour
Phase 2 Wang
Phase 3 Albury

Freights will share the same corridor, ma 115km/h, which means if the average speed is 150km/h for Pax, then they should be able to hold 115km/h most of the time.

Higher speed freight is purely market driven by the operators.

The old corridor will be decommissioned and disposed of, seriously why on earth would you keep it? Duplicated or mostly duplicated track for even double the current volume of traffic is sufficient. High speed cross overs between the tracks enables unrestricted passing.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

while HSR would almost certainly be exclusively for passenger services, where the demand wouldn't be there to make it viable.

How do we know the demand wouldn't be there to make it viable Question

Stats, data, projections...would seem to be the logical progression of this thread...not simply hearsay from a naysayer/s.

Mike.
The Vinelander
No. Anthony Albanese knows that Melbourne to Sydney HSR does not stack up and that the demand will not be there, that is why you have not heard anything concrete in a way of a plan for this Unicorn.

Improve the existing corridor. $100 Billion can be spent on something more important like Education or Health.

Michael
  C2 Junior Train Controller

What the......He will 100% buy the land in the Outer burbs Mel Syd for HSR why would he bring it up now with Atomic Bushfires Decemation of our heritage .. Elbow spruiks We need fast trains now run on a Duracell
...The Right write their opinion as fact is why that snowflake has a poison Dart and it hurt.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What the......He will 100% buy the land in the Outer burbs Mel Syd for HSR why would he bring it up now with Atomic Bushfires Decemation of our heritage .. Elbow spruiks We need fast trains now run on a Duracell
...The Right write their opinion as fact is why that snowflake has a poison Dart and it hurt.
C2
The ALP when last in power made no further progress on HSR than Howard or LNP since.

All the recent studies say the same thing, not viable before mid 2030's.

Additionally with the fed's half a trillion in debt, they will not be rushing into building something that cannot even cover its operation costs.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Right Right Right  I said the land at the outskirts of the two city's. .But I guess I have to say Thanks for the  scribble . The ALP haven't been in Government since  96
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
If the ALP haven't been in government since 1996, then who was leading us from 2007-2013?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

If the ALP haven't been in government since 1996, then who was leading us from 2007-2013?
railblogger
Oakshott and Windsor.Laughing
  ANR Chief Commissioner

.... and the faceless men.....
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Wilkie still here.. Albo's going to lend a lot of money from China is my gut feeling. If When Hopefully
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Wilkie still here.. Albo's going to lend a lot of money from China is my gut feeling. If When Hopefully
C2
No, it won't happen. Neither side of govt is going to go cap in hand to borrow the money to build HSR. If the private sector cannot make it pay with some tax and credits, it won't happen. Albo doesn't and won't have the money to do so and assuming the ALP gets into govt next time, they still have a $400B debt with alot of pressure not to make it worse as ALP have near zero credibility on debt management in the voting public.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
If the ALP haven't been in government since 1996, then who was leading us from 2007-2013?
railblogger
Not sure which Alternate Timeline you come from, but hello the Man in the High Castle.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@SEMartin I come from a timeline in which we live in a dystopian world ruled by a corrupt worldwide government with an iron fist.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
@SEMartin I come from a timeline in which we live in a dystopian world ruled by a corrupt worldwide government with an iron fist.
railblogger
Quote in haste, repent at leisure. Should've cut C2's quoted text instead.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
@SEMartin I come from a timeline in which we live in a dystopian world ruled by a corrupt worldwide government with an iron fist.
railblogger
So the United States?

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