Eyre Highway Closure

 
  ben0 Locomotive Fireman

Location: South Australia
Due to the bushfires, the Eyre Highway has been closed for over a week now and looks like it will be for some time yet.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-09/hope-to-reopen-nullarbor-highway-dashed-by-renewed-fire-activity/11854822

I'm guessing the fire is far enough south to not effect the Trans-Australian Railway. Has there been any impact to train services? Or an increase in demand due to the railway been to only land-based transport link left between SA and WA?

There are some reports that the Trans Access Road is closed to although no reason is given. I'm guessing this may be because they don't want unprepared travellers taking that as a detour and then getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere?

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  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
Due to the bushfires, the Eyre Highway has been closed for over a week now and looks like it will be for some time yet.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-09/hope-to-reopen-nullarbor-highway-dashed-by-renewed-fire-activity/11854822

I'm guessing the fire is far enough south to not effect the Trans-Australian Railway. Has there been any impact to train services? Or an increase in demand due to the railway been to only land-based transport link left between SA and WA?

There are some reports that the Trans Access Road is closed to although no reason is given. I'm guessing this may be because they don't want unprepared travellers taking that as a detour and then getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere?
ben0
There have been spasmodic closures of the trans line, but these have been caused by different fire activity.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Gheringhap Loop has seen quite a lot of East-West superfreighter traffic this week. Some big loadings too.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

There are some reports that the Trans Access Road is closed to although no reason is given. I'm guessing this may be because they don't want unprepared travellers taking that as a detour and then getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere?
ben0
Correct.

They have had to rescue a few travellers, thankfully only from getting themselves stuck and not from getting in the way of bushfires. This has taken emergency resources away from fighting the fires, and they decided that enough was enough.

The Eyre Highway has reopened today, but could still be subject to further closures if fire conditions change.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Seems like It was a perfect opportunity for a rail operator to offer a piggy back loading service between Kalgoorlie and Adelaide (vv)
I guess that's If suitable serviceable rolling stock was readily available.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Seems like It was a perfect opportunity for a rail operator to offer a piggy back loading service between Kalgoorlie and Adelaide (vv)
I guess that's If suitable serviceable rolling stock was readily available.
Nightfire
Piggyback was routine until the road was finished being sealed in 1976.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Seems like It was a perfect opportunity for a rail operator to offer a piggy back loading service between Kalgoorlie and Adelaide (vv)
I guess that's If suitable serviceable rolling stock was readily available.
Nightfire
All too hard I'm afraid.
Rolling stock is the least of the worries. Staff, lashings/dogs and chains (depending on actual loading), end loading ramps, accommodation for resultant passengers etc etc. For anything less than ~ a fortnight closure not worth even trying.
Sadly the old days of rail being able to react to an emergency have gone as have the people needed.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Seems like It was a perfect opportunity for a rail operator to offer a piggy back loading service between Kalgoorlie and Adelaide (vv)
I guess that's If suitable serviceable rolling stock was readily available.
Piggyback was routine until the road was finished being sealed in 1976.
Lockspike
There was enormous potential to continue piggyback even after the road was sealed but there was little will to do so and services gradually became noncompetitive around this time.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Seems like It was a perfect opportunity for a rail operator to offer a piggy back loading service between Kalgoorlie and Adelaide (vv)
I guess that's If suitable serviceable rolling stock was readily available.
Piggyback was routine until the road was finished being sealed in 1976.
There was enormous potential to continue piggyback even after the road was sealed but there was little will to do so and services gradually became noncompetitive around this time.
YM-Mundrabilla
Probably not full size long distance heavy trucks, but you can get smaller vehicles rail frighted from Melbourne to Perth (vv) I have a family member who purchased a drilling rig In Perth and had It rail frighted to Melbourne, ells It would of been a doosy of a road trip across the Country.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Seems like It was a perfect opportunity for a rail operator to offer a piggy back loading service between Kalgoorlie and Adelaide (vv)
I guess that's If suitable serviceable rolling stock was readily available.
Piggyback was routine until the road was finished being sealed in 1976.
There was enormous potential to continue piggyback even after the road was sealed but there was little will to do so and services gradually became noncompetitive around this time.
Probably not full size long distance heavy trucks, but you can get smaller vehicles rail frighted from Melbourne to Perth (vv) I have a family member who purchased a drilling rig In Perth and had It rail frighted to Melbourne, ells It would of been a doosy of a road trip across the Country.
Nightfire
Interesting NF.

Was it freighted through one of the Forwarding Agents like Sadleirs, SCT etc who, I imagine, would secure it on a tray for despatch as 'just another TEU' or did PN actually do the whole job?
I didn't think that PN would be interested but I learn something new every day. Smile
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Interesting NF.

Was it freighted through one of the Forwarding Agents like Sadleirs, SCT etc who, I imagine, would secure it on a tray for despatch as 'just another TEU' or did PN actually do the whole job?
I didn't think that PN would be interested but I learn something new every day. Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
Forwarding Agent
  ben0 Locomotive Fireman

Location: South Australia
When I did the drive across there, it seemed like pretty much all the traffic was either trucks or tourists who were doing the drive for the sake of doing the drive.

If you just want to get to the other side of the country, flying is cheaper. And if you want to take your vehicle with you, I'm guessing putting it in a shipping container and meeting it at the other end is the easiest way to go?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Interesting NF.

Was it freighted through one of the Forwarding Agents like Sadleirs, SCT etc who, I imagine, would secure it on a tray for despatch as 'just another TEU' or did PN actually do the whole job?
I didn't think that PN would be interested but I learn something new every day. Smile
Forwarding Agent
Nightfire
Thanks NF - not surprised.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

And if you want to take your vehicle with you, I'm guessing putting it in a shipping container and meeting it at the other end is the easiest way to go?
ben0
There are numerous companies in the vehicle transport game, enough that there are now non-provider companies getting involved with comparisons and brokering.

They use double deck car transporter trailers, one car per container is a waste of space if it's not an irreplaceable 1964 Ferrari.

Any reputable company that is relocating an employee across the Nullabor, to/from Darwin or Melbourne-Brisbane would offer car transport as part of their relocation package.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I miss the good old days when interstate rail was losing a million dollars day Razz
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
This is interesting...

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-15/calls-to-upgrade-trans-access-road-after-eyre-highway-closed/11866330?pfmredir=sm
ANR
Maybe we should build a new rail line parallel to the Eyre Highway as well, you know, just in case the line is closed once a year like for a derailment. Please.......
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

My impression has been that interested parties in the area (mainly pastoralists) have been calling for the Trans Access Road to be upgraded for a while now. The two week Eyre Highway closure just gives them a fresh opportunity to make some noise about it.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Better still, if the Eyre Highway closes, can't the State or Federal government get PacNat or SCT to put on extra trains at say Kalgoorlie and Port Augusta to take cars and trucks across the Nullabor using car car carriers and flatbeds (and sit up class)?

This would be cheeper should it ever be needed.

Eyre Highway closure for such a long period of  time is unusual. When was it last closed like this? Maybe due to damage from flooding?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Better still, if the Eyre Highway closes, can't the State or Federal government get PacNat or SCT to put on extra trains at say Kalgoorlie and Port Augusta to take cars and trucks across the Nullabor using car car carriers and flatbeds (and sit up class)?
ANR
How would those operators do that? They aren't government rail operators who can afford to have fleets of wagons, locos and staff sitting around doing nothing most of the time because Someone Else pays the bills.

In general, it's actually far more likely that the railway would be the mode closed for periods of multiple days at a time. If the rail operators are to invest in improving the resilience of their services, the best method of doing it would be via a small fleet of trucks which could take high priority freight off a stranded train (priority determined by an auction) and get it moving in the right direction without waiting for the line to reopen.

This would be cheeper should it ever be needed.
ANR
Hahahahahahahaha.

Eyre Highway closure for such a long period of  time is unusual. When was it last closed like this? Maybe due to damage from flooding?
ANR
Indeed it is unusual. That's why it's newsworthy.

It's certainly unusual enough that the best method of dealing with it is, well, just dealing with it.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Better still, if the Eyre Highway closes, can't the State or Federal government get PacNat or SCT to put on extra trains at say Kalgoorlie and Port Augusta to take cars and trucks across the Nullabor using car car carriers and flatbeds (and sit up class)?

This would be cheeper should it ever be needed.

Eyre Highway closure for such a long period of  time is unusual. When was it last closed like this? Maybe due to damage from flooding?
ANR
neither PacNat or SCT are accredited for passenger operations, PN provide a hook and pull service for the Ghan and Indian, but have no facilities to operate passenger trains?SCT are in the same boat.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Build a new road for the pastoralists. Maybe join it up to the old highway (seal it too) in South Australia. This may prove to be a tourist winner.

PacNat and SCT can become accredited to carry pax. Just put a couple of pax cars on a freighter. Didn't AN do this?

... and this is supposed to be a rail forum.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Yet again, dreamers spending someone else's money.

If it's such a great idea, put together a proposal yourself and pitch it to someone who can finance it.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Build a new road for the pastoralists. Maybe join it up to the old highway (seal it too) in South Australia. This may prove to be a tourist winner.

PacNat and SCT can become accredited to carry pax. Just put a couple of pax cars on a freighter. Didn't AN do this?

... and this is supposed to be a rail forum.
ANR
CR ran several 'fast mixeds' each week as well as one 'slow mixed' on the Trans back in the days largely for passengers to/from line locations as well as specific services with carriage/s attached for semi trailer drivers whose trucks were conveyed on the same train piggyback.

CR also ran weekly (IIRC) 'Tourist Trains' for a couple of years during the wildflower season back in the 1960s when older passenger cars were attached to certain fast goods trains. These trains allowed passengers to view wildflowers close up at certain locations enroute. Overall they were not entirely successful largely due to the rolling stock provided.

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