Regional Rail Revival - Geelong / Warrnambool Line Projects

 
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.









That is a lot of tracks but the design is such any access blocked by a train or derailment will render the balloon track inaccessible.


Is it me or are these photos not displaying properly?

Neil
ngarner
Link to the document...

https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0024/427920/20190612-Transport-Impact-Assessment.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3XnDrThMaCOIGX3WxwMxgU5S_tKKqlQzcekIu0Rxp1Jt79nFp-cN9ZNvY

Lockie

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0024/427920/20190612-Transport-Impact-Assessment.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3XnDrThMaCOIGX3WxwMxgU5S_tKKqlQzcekIu0Rxp1Jt79nFp-cN9ZNvY

Lockie
Lockie91
Great work Lockie, thanks, I looked for it earlier but couldn't find it.

I note that the Stage 2 design is "indicative" and may have been someone just drawing lines to make it look like a rail facility.

So no need to panic about the baloon loop or lack thereof just yet!

BG
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller


https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0024/427920/20190612-Transport-Impact-Assessment.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3XnDrThMaCOIGX3WxwMxgU5S_tKKqlQzcekIu0Rxp1Jt79nFp-cN9ZNvY

LockieGreat work Lockie, thanks, I looked for it earlier but couldn't find it.

I note that the Stage 2 design is "indicative" and may have been someone just drawing lines to make it look like a rail facility.

So no need to panic about the baloon loop or lack thereof just yet!

BG
BrentonGolding
Thanks BG, The thanks go to Marcus Wong who originally shared this yesterday and where I assume Bevans got these pictures from.

I don't think stage two is that far down the track when you think about the Geelong Fast Rail Project. It is possible that Geelong Council is pushing for development of the Geelong Yards. Bombardier could also go out to WP with a new purpose built facility. With a mention of 26 roads, Maintenance and Bio Wash facilities sounds like they will service a new dedicated feet (electric?) for Geelong.

Victrack get the benefit of selling off a triangle of land in the centre of Geelong.

Speaking of said project, it needs to be thought of as an interurban connection. It is essentially a commuter railway as it works its way though Geelong to WP and one day Torquay. The project should be as much about connecting suburbs within the Geelong area as well as a fast connection to the Melbourne CBD.

A super fast train to Geelong and a goat track to WP will be a colossal failure of a project and investment.

Lockie
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The photos came from the document but interestingly Boral are potentially expanding their quarry next to the proposed facility at WP and they have rail access any chance of some rail use here?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

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So no need to panic about the baloon loop or lack thereof just yet!
BrentonGolding

Purely for clarification, nobody is particularly concerned whether the facility actually has a balloon track or not. The text associated with the original posting implied that the diagrams showed a loop, which doesn’t appear to be the case, viz
“That is a lot of tracks but the design is such any access blocked by a train or derailment will render the balloon track inaccessible.”
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
……………………………………

So no need to panic about the baloon loop or lack thereof just yet!

Purely for clarification, nobody is particularly concerned whether the facility actually has a balloon track or not. The text associated with the original posting implied that the diagrams showed a loop, which doesn’t appear to be the case, viz
“That is a lot of tracks but the design is such any access blocked by a train or derailment will render the balloon track inaccessible.”
kitchgp
I know, right! (Purely for clarification, that means it was a joke not a serious comment)
  NimbleJack Station Master

The big issue with storing rolling stock beyond Geelong, of course, is that if something happens to South Geelong tunnel - single-track, ancient and crumbling - you've lost a significant portion of your fleet.

Storage at Waurn Ponds would represent a major gamble.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The big issue with storing rolling stock beyond Geelong, of course, is that if something happens to South Geelong tunnel - single-track, ancient and crumbling - you've lost a significant portion of your fleet.

Storage at Waurn Ponds would represent a major gamble.
NimbleJack

And there is only a single track at the present time.  Could be another V/Line project with shaky foundations.  There are a lot of planned roads will there really be that much rolling stock to park?
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

The big issue with storing rolling stock beyond Geelong, of course, is that if something happens to South Geelong tunnel - single-track, ancient and crumbling - you've lost a significant portion of your fleet.

Storage at Waurn Ponds would represent a major gamble.

And there is only a single track at the present time.  Could be another V/Line project with shaky foundations.  There are a lot of planned roads will there really be that much rolling stock to park?
bevans
Stage two is duplication to South Geelong. An additional tunnel could be bored next to the existing one, similar to what was done at Rossana. The tunnel its self is 400m long, not a huge distance. See if it ever comes about or if V/line is happy to have 400m of single track to deal with.

As for planned roads, if Geelong is to become a proper interurban service than a new electric fleet is required. 26 roads and a maintenance facility sounds about right.

Lockie
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Storage at Waurn Ponds would represent a major gamble.[/quote]
And there is only a single track at the present time.  Could be another V/Line project with shaky foundations.  There are a lot of planned roads will there really be that much rolling stock to park?[/quote]Stage two is duplication to South Geelong. An additional tunnel could be bored next to the existing one, similar to what was done at Rossana. The tunnel its self is 400m long, not a huge distance. See if it ever comes about or if V/line is happy to have 400m of single track to deal with.

As for planned roads, if Geelong is to become a proper interurban service than a new electric fleet is required. 26 roads and a maintenance facility sounds about right.

Lockie[/quote]

And a potential stage 3, that the feds are supposed to be interested in funding, is a second tunnel as Lockie mentioned

Neil
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Honestly for the Geelong tunnel, close it for 6 months and tunnel through it with a TBM to make it big enough for two tracks. The tunnel is centred, there's not that much room on either side.
  Tony M. Locomotive Fireman


I don't think stage two is that far down the track when you think about the Geelong Fast Rail Project. It is possible that Geelong Council is pushing for development of the Geelong Yards. Bombardier could also go out to WP with a new purpose built facility. With a mention of 26 roads, Maintenance and Bio Wash facilities sounds like they will service a new dedicated feet (electric?) for Geelong.

Victrack get the benefit of selling off a triangle of land in the centre of Geelong.
Lockie9

The trouble with this is that the triangle of land they'd be selling off isn't in the centre of Geelong - it's on Pakington Street in Geelong West. Considering there's already a couple of large vacant blocks actually in the middle of Geelong with high-rises planned that they can't get started on, it's unlikely the developers are lining up for a former rail depot on the quiet end of a local shopping strip. Even putting a supermarket there would be iffy considering there's a new one practically across the road.

That's not to say the council don't have big plans, but the Geelong council are a lot better at plans than they are at seeing them through. And with the single tunnel to South Geelong likely to stay that way for a fair while yet, I doubt the Geelong Yards will be going anywhere in the short-to-medium future.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Premier's press release today saying that work is starting on the Warrnambool upgrade with signal upgrades beginning and work on the Boorcan loop, at 2.2km long, to start in a few weeks. The 12 level crossing upgrades have been finished in the last week, as well.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/major-construction-begins-warrnambool-line-upgrade

Neil

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