The corona virus COVID-19

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Gladys Berejiklian has folded to the media and declared that masks will be mandatory on public transport and anywhere indoors ($200 fine for not wearing one).

Obviously she's listening to the 'scientists' and the 'experts' when making these decisions.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Hey Mike, the 'experts' and the same 'experts' who think this is the correct strategy for preventing COVID in air travel:

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Are those two pictures from the same airline, same airport or even the same country? Shown as they are, they prove nothing. The airport is deserted but the aircraft is full. Go pull the other leg.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Gladys Berejiklian has folded to the media and declared that masks will be mandatory on public transport and anywhere indoors ($200 fine for not wearing one).

Obviously she's listening to the 'scientists' and the 'experts' when making these decisions.
don_dunstan
Correct decision, masks do prevent the spread of Covid-19, surprized she didn't do it earlier.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Are those two pictures from the same airline, same airport or even the same country? Shown as they are, they prove nothing. The airport is deserted but the aircraft is full. Go pull the other leg.
Valvegear
What are you talking about, they're just showing how ridiculous the policy actually is.

And as if to prove my point, they've just re-jigged the arrangements in Sydney. You have to wear a mask anywhere on public transport and inside (as already announced). You can have an outdoor funeral with up to 100 people but with masks. But the cricket at the SCG will go ahead with no mask requirement and 20,000 people - because apparently its safer to do it that way than it would be for them to be in close gatherings at home or at a BBQ.

How is 20,000 in an outdoor venue with an aerosol transmitted disease any safer than being at home?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Gladys Berejiklian has folded to the media and declared that masks will be mandatory on public transport and anywhere indoors ($200 fine for not wearing one).

Obviously she's listening to the 'scientists' and the 'experts' when making these decisions.
Correct decision, masks do prevent the spread of Covid-19, surprized she didn't do it earlier.
lsrailfan
Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Gladys Berejiklian has folded to the media and declared that masks will be mandatory on public transport and anywhere indoors ($200 fine for not wearing one).

Obviously she's listening to the 'scientists' and the 'experts' when making these decisions.
Correct decision, masks do prevent the spread of Covid-19, surprized she didn't do it earlier.
Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
don_dunstan
No, people have been saying make masks mandatory up here for weeks now, now she finally listens, oh well, better late than never...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
"don_dunstan"
Try "lightning" fast.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
If you visited the Hills Campus Hillsong Church, please also have your wallet checked.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
Try "lightning" fast.
Valvegear

Well I kind of agree and going out on the limb.

https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/

They are not proven.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

michaelgm
You would wonder why God would allow it.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
Try "lightning" fast.

Well I kind of agree and going out on the limb.

https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/

They are not proven.
bevans
It is irrelevant if they are proven or not at this point. Not wearing a mask is a statement that tells other people you don't take COVID seriously and/or care about the rest of society.

As a libertarian I am opposed to the government enforcing things like the curfew or banning protests and I agree that we need to learn to live with COVID...but learning to live with it means things like wearing masks and observing basic social distancing in a respectful manner. Protests should be OK provided people wear masks and observe the 1.5m rule for example...

Freedom comes with responsibility and a price. People who just want to carry on like nothing is happening are just plain selfish.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victorians are divided over whether or not Daniel Andrews should return to work to tackle Victoria’s developing coronavirus cluster.
The Premier is on holiday with his family after months of non-stop work since January’s bushfire crisis and the subsequent COVID-19 pandemic.

But government sources say he has spent the past few days heavily involved in co-ordinating the state’s response to the new outbreak, but has decided he doesn’t yet need to return to full time work.

As well as being briefed in real time on all developments, Mr Andrews has also been in constant contact with acting premier Jacinta Allan.

“They’ve spoken before press conferences, before cabinet meetings, and before the decision to close the NSW border,” one senior source said.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-return-to-work-as-covid-concerns-grow/news-story/90a542d0723205f8f8f1c9eb1b69e9e0
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
Try "lightning" fast.

Well I kind of agree and going out on the limb.

https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/

They are not proven.
It is irrelevant if they are proven or not at this point. Not wearing a mask is a statement that tells other people you don't take COVID seriously and/or care about the rest of society.

As a libertarian I am opposed to the government enforcing things like the curfew or banning protests and I agree that we need to learn to live with COVID...but learning to live with it means things like wearing masks and observing basic social distancing in a respectful manner. Protests should be OK provided people wear masks and observe the 1.5m rule for example...

Freedom comes with responsibility and a price. People who just want to carry on like nothing is happening are just plain selfish.
Mr. Lane
There's someone on this board that wants to carry on that way, no names for now, it will only give him the attention that he so richly craves!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Only took her a week. Lightening fast isn't she.
Try "lightning" fast.

Well I kind of agree and going out on the limb.

https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/

They are not proven.
It is irrelevant if they are proven or not at this point. Not wearing a mask is a statement that tells other people you don't take COVID seriously and/or care about the rest of society.

As a libertarian I am opposed to the government enforcing things like the curfew or banning protests and I agree that we need to learn to live with COVID...but learning to live with it means things like wearing masks and observing basic social distancing in a respectful manner. Protests should be OK provided people wear masks and observe the 1.5m rule for example...

Freedom comes with responsibility and a price. People who just want to carry on like nothing is happening are just plain selfish.
Mr. Lane
So clearly the Dane's are correct and 100 years of medical best practice during surgery and other medical procedures is wrong.

We have some of those "libertarian" comments over here in the Aussie Whatsapp groups making claims lockdowns don't stop the spread of the virus etc etc. Ask them whats the alternative, "wear masks and maintain social practices". Oh wow, that's, novel, why didn't the world's govt think of that? sic!

Who'd of thought in Democratic countries where a large part of the population doesn't trust the govt, believe in endless govt conspiracy theory's and simply don't like being told what to do, that asking people to do the right thing would actually work. Oh wait, what were the world's govt asking people to do in Feb and March?

The problem with the "learning to live with it" strategy is that people won't do the right thing to minimise the risk of spreading the virus and then those same people won't accept to be told to die in your own house when the hospitals become over loaded (as happened in EU, UK, parts of the US and other countries.

"Protests should be OK provided people wear masks and observe the 1.5m rule" seriously, is this comment a joke? You expect people to protest walking down the street and stand in a military style disciplined spacing. Protesting is in itself an act of demonstrating defiance / objection to a law or situation and people think they will do this obeying other "govt requests".


"Freedom comes with responsibility and a price. People who just want to carry on like nothing is happening are just plain selfish." This is at least 100% true, the problem how many are willing to voluntary act responsibly and pay the price.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If you visited the Hills Campus Hillsong Church, please also have your wallet checked.
Valvegear
Why bother, it'll be empty.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It sounds like someone who got infected is addicted to Twitter and likes to blame Hillsong for everything. The place was closed and empty at the time...

  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Don; what should they be doing then? How should this unprecedented situation be being handled? If you were in the shoes of the lovely Ms. B, what orders would you be giving? Bonus points for the comment about Hillsong, a vile money grubbing institution, dedicated to turning religious practice into nothing more than a sparkly oversensorial circus. Somebody in an absolute flap because he's being interviewed about the Covid says he thinks he was at Hillsong at that time, the health department official gets the info out asap, it's not quite right and moneybags Houston tries to smack the government about the head with it. Probably thinks it will damage his brand image. The health department should just broaden the warning to anybody that has been at that place anytime during that week. Well done Don for your comment on this false prophet.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
More concrete evidence of the absurdity of Don's approach.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/sweden-crisis-worsens-after-its-antilockdown-stance-proven-a-failure/news-story/de444b198eb996a3c9af469d72089dfe
He will, of course, claim that he never supported this approach, merely criticised all the others without bothering to offer an alternative, probably because we'd all just criticise him anyway. The debate tactics of the primary school playground.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
More concrete evidence of the absurdity of Don's approach.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/sweden-crisis-worsens-after-its-antilockdown-stance-proven-a-failure/news-story/de444b198eb996a3c9af469d72089dfe
He will, of course, claim that he never supported this approach, merely criticised all the others without bothering to offer an alternative, probably because we'd all just criticise him anyway. The debate tactics of the primary school playground.
billybaxter

If we didn't feed the 'beast' it would wither...and die.

But we, well not me, I've refused to directly engage the beast, enjoy the entertainment and marvel at the abhorrence of some of its comments so it will likely continue.

Mike.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Seems Don isn't the only person to come up with this argument. This lass is rather more vulgar in her expression, but it's the same as Don's argument and just as empty of value.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12963601/easyjet-belfast-edinburgh-passenger-face-mask/
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Shades of Christopher Skase....  They got Tony Mokbel back from Greece, so maybe there's hope they can drag this galah back as well.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It is irrelevant if they are proven or not at this point. Not wearing a mask is a statement that tells other people you don't take COVID seriously and/or care about the rest of society.

As a libertarian I am opposed to the government enforcing things like the curfew or banning protests and I agree that we need to learn to live with COVID...but learning to live with it means things like wearing masks and observing basic social distancing in a respectful manner. Protests should be OK provided people wear masks and observe the 1.5m rule for example...

Freedom comes with responsibility and a price. People who just want to carry on like nothing is happening are just plain selfish.
Mr. Lane
There's no evidence that 'lock-downs' work with the actual death rate.

Look at the outcomes with the hard policy of locking down the general population and enforcing masks, social distancing, shutting businesses and preventing people from leaving their homes in the UK - compared to the United States where it was basically a state-driven thing and varied substantially. The United States has a lower death rate from COVID than the UK, Italy and Spain -where hard lock-downs were enforced.

The general population of this nation - especially the younger half of the population who are much less likely to die from this thing - want their lives back to normal. I for one don't blame them, especially when there's very little evidence that the hard lock-down policy that we've pursed has actually made a difference.

If you're going to challenge what I've said here then you need to come back with evidence that lock-downs do work in preventing higher death rates from COVID19 - not from higher infection rates. There's a big difference between those two things.

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