The corona virus COVID-19

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've read a few of Niki Savva's books. Anyway I don't think its a swipe at Morrison, more of a comment on the fact that she believes the strong powers of the states served us better during the COVID thing.

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Myself and nearly everyone at work has Sinopharm, almost no side effects. Cannot say the same for those who had Pfizer or AZ.

https://www.ft.com/content/a1c83bcc-f3e5-488a-b33c-b516a1d7fdda


Many of the UAE’s vaccinated residents are now seeking antibody tests three weeks after their second dose to find out whether they have the ability to fight off coronavirus, or need a third shot of the vaccine. A Sinopharm booster is also available for those who had their first dose more than six months ago.

Have you had that done?  (ie Antibody test)
djf01
No, been thinking about it though.

I know alot who have, its become the latest craze / pi$$ing contest. How many anti-bodies do you have?

The govt is also doing it on a large scale for all those who were in the trials and many people in the trials also asking themselves as the trial won't tell them if they got actual or placebo until I think 6mth. One of the radio hosts was in the trial and got the anti-body test and had a high count.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

She said
"if you want to see what life would be like with out them (premiers) just look at the US & UK"

I agree with Nikki Savva

that is totally saying Scroto would not of done well just like the bushfires and how he didn't handle the Brittany Higgins allegations well and has hidden Christian porter and Linda Reynolds

Remember schools are safe, haircuts we're fine

Scroto not very adept leader
The liar from the Shire
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

The liberals must be dying inside shovelling dollars out the door like drunken sailors, and finally but silently sending dollars to our pacific neighbours

Talk about flat screen tv's
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Remember, slomo wanted to go to the footy when the virus hit.

I agree with Nikki, twas the premiers....
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Are we regarding Dan as a premier here? Or is he a chairman? Because he sure as smeg didn’t do too much to keep the People’s Republic clean, worse, he offered to help to SA during our ‘outbreak’, fortunately it was not accepted by our premier.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Not that old chestnut again
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Myself and nearly everyone at work has Sinopharm, almost no side effects. Cannot say the same for those who had Pfizer or AZ.

https://www.ft.com/content/a1c83bcc-f3e5-488a-b33c-b516a1d7fdda


Many of the UAE’s vaccinated residents are now seeking antibody tests three weeks after their second dose to find out whether they have the ability to fight off coronavirus, or need a third shot of the vaccine. A Sinopharm booster is also available for those who had their first dose more than six months ago.

Have you had that done?  (ie Antibody test)
No, been thinking about it though.

I know alot who have, its become the latest craze / pi$$ing contest. How many anti-bodies do you have?

The govt is also doing it on a large scale for all those who were in the trials and many people in the trials also asking themselves as the trial won't tell them if they got actual or placebo until I think 6mth. One of the radio hosts was in the trial and got the anti-body test and had a high count.
RTT_Rules

Thanks very much for this, and your previous post on the UAE's vaccination program.

TBH, until then I didn't realise the Sinopharm product and Coronavac/Sinovac were different vaccines from different companies, which is why I misinterpretted your earlier posts as implying you had Pfiezer.  It's disappointing, but the only info I could find on the results of those trials seem to be in Gvt press releases.  To their credit, AstraZeneca have uniquely allowed (or not prevented) warts and all publication of the trial data for their product.  All other reports I've seen (without my seeing the supporting trial data) have suggested ~50% efficacy of "the" Chinese vaccine, based on studies in high prevalence countries like Brazil and SA (ie, more variants, but also more "natural" immunity in the placebo groups from prior infection).

AFAIK, a better and more consistent antibody response (that doesn't drop off with age) has been a feature of the mRNA vaccines versus all the viral vector vaccines.

It seems to me that recent anti-body testing might be a fairer and more reliable requirement for travel to Australia, than a certificate of vaccination of variable authenticity with a product of questionable efficacy and duration.

Also, followup anti-body testing probably should be part of our mass vaccination program.  A third does of AZ, and/or Pfiezer or Novavax (if it gets approved) for the substantial minority of people that will not respond well (or well enough) to AZ.

Personally, I'd be concerned if I'd had a viral vector vaccine and not had the common pronounced side effects, and if I had the option, would take the anti-body test to ensure it had actually worked as it is supposed to.

Thanks again for the reports.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Myself and nearly everyone at work has Sinopharm, almost no side effects. Cannot say the same for those who had Pfizer or AZ.

https://www.ft.com/content/a1c83bcc-f3e5-488a-b33c-b516a1d7fdda


Many of the UAE’s vaccinated residents are now seeking antibody tests three weeks after their second dose to find out whether they have the ability to fight off coronavirus, or need a third shot of the vaccine. A Sinopharm booster is also available for those who had their first dose more than six months ago.

Have you had that done?  (ie Antibody test)
No, been thinking about it though.

I know alot who have, its become the latest craze / pi$$ing contest. How many anti-bodies do you have?

The govt is also doing it on a large scale for all those who were in the trials and many people in the trials also asking themselves as the trial won't tell them if they got actual or placebo until I think 6mth. One of the radio hosts was in the trial and got the anti-body test and had a high count.

Thanks very much for this, and your previous post on the UAE's vaccination program.

TBH, until then I didn't realise the Sinopharm product and Coronavac/Sinovac were different vaccines from different companies, which is why I misinterpretted your earlier posts as implying you had Pfiezer.  It's disappointing, but the only info I could find on the results of those trials seem to be in Gvt press releases.  To their credit, AstraZeneca have uniquely allowed (or not prevented) warts and all publication of the trial data for their product.  All other reports I've seen (without my seeing the supporting trial data) have suggested ~50% efficacy of "the" Chinese vaccine, based on studies in high prevalence countries like Brazil and SA (ie, more variants, but also more "natural" immunity in the placebo groups from prior infection).

AFAIK, a better and more consistent antibody response (that doesn't drop off with age) has been a feature of the mRNA vaccines versus all the viral vector vaccines.

It seems to me that recent anti-body testing might be a fairer and more reliable requirement for travel to Australia, than a certificate of vaccination of variable authenticity with a product of questionable efficacy and duration.

Also, followup anti-body testing probably should be part of our mass vaccination program.  A third does of AZ, and/or Pfiezer or Novavax (if it gets approved) for the substantial minority of people that will not respond well (or well enough) to AZ.

Personally, I'd be concerned if I'd had a viral vector vaccine and not had the common pronounced side effects, and if I had the option, would take the anti-body test to ensure it had actually worked as it is supposed to.

Thanks again for the reports.
djf01
I couldn't open the Ft link, but got the point.

Each vaccine has its strengths and weaknesses. If Pfizer is the wonder vaccine its made out to be thats great, but the world cannot wait for the production of Pfizer, hence the multiple supply chain approach using different approaches is I think perfectly fine. Additionally cost. The more advanced technologies are simply unaffordable for much of the world's govts. Australia is part of COVAX and funding the use of cheaper vaccines to countries who cannot afford them.

SinoVac seems to have be one of the lower performers, but its being rolled out to 100's millions of people because its cheap and available. Without it, millions would likely die and many 100's millions more would suffer ongoing economic hardship that could itself be life threating. .

WHO requires 50% efficacy to be endorsed and you can see on their link the list of vaccines that comply. Ironically it would appear the star performer is likely to be Sputnik V, may not be right up there with Pfizer, but for the price its pretty good.

I think by the time the open door approach is introduced (expected Q4 2021) the govts will have a reasonable amount of data from anti-body testing to know how effective each vaccine is at producing ant-bodies and how long they last. Personally at this stage I see no reason to make it compulsory if the data shows a high degree of developing anti bodies in the trial data.


The IATA vaccine passport is expected to be the most likely globally accepted requirement for international travel as nearly all world govts are signatory's and IATA. IATA will use almost 100% input from WHO on which vaccines are accepted and then the challenge is to ensure those getting the IATA passport have actually had the vaccine. This will require individual govts to have a transparent verified system in place to upload their citizens data into the passport as any forgery will immediately see their citizens likely banned from travel which will involve members of their own govt, cause citizens protests and further economic hardship.  

The only stumbling block to this is potentially stupidity in mostly some western countries, notably Germany at the moment but there are others raising concerns of discrimination and privacy. All of which is complete BS as if you want to travel to some countries now you need other proof of vaccines and your passport contains all your personal details anyway.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I really wish Jacinta was our PM

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-types-vaccines
doyle
Jacinda (note d please) has lost some of her gloss in the latest poll. With all my family in Sydney, I do wish they would make a decision about the Trans Tasman bubble although I understand the complexities. I have airpoints and credit vouchers with Emirates for cross Tasman flights and Emirates are yet to put up any timetables for later in the year. It is now 16 months since my sister and I physically met very thankful for skype) and 2 years since I last flew out of Sydney. I am actually considering the Gulflander and Savannahlander but it is selling out and I will not yet commit.
I will not travel until I have been vaccinated. Am thankful it seems it will be Pfizer and for me (late 70's) in May.
My sister and BiL (late 80's) in Sydney should get it soon, her girlfriend (upper North shore) received her first jab on Monday. Concerned it is is the AstraZeneca which seems to have more controversy.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don’t think Jacinda is that good as a PM, neither do many in NZ now it seems.

I do hope they keep her though, I enjoy and look forward to her whinges when we airfreight back criminal kiwis.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I don’t think Jacinda is that good as a PM, neither do many in NZ now it seems.
I do hope they keep her though, I enjoy and look forward to her whinges when we airfreight back criminal kiwis.
Aaron
I have told Morrison I am ashamed of my Australian citizenship (the latest shipment back included a 15 year old). I guess he could not care. Ok if they have only moved to Oz as older but most of them are products of the Australian  school system having moved over with their parents as toddlers. We are not even shipping back that Australian lowlife who massacred 63 people, he will be a liability to our tax system for as long as he lives.

The only reason I have not relinquished my Australian citizenship is it costs several hundred dollars. I only use the passport to enter and leave Australia because that is the law. I proudly use my Kiwi passport everywhere else.  I describe myself as Aussie by birth, Kiwi by choice.

The latest poll gave Jacinda 43% (it was 58% at the election which cannot be expected to survive),  Judith Collins (Leader of the Opposition) 8%. And for the record I did not vote Labour, I voted Green.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Thank you Brianr, I was more thinking that the New Zealanders will be mostly receiving the Pfizer vaccine if that being the case I wouldn't care if Jacinda (d noted) was one of those awful Nationals, I as well have family we have not seen for a age my wife is Maori
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I don’t think Jacinda is that good as a PM, neither do many in NZ now it seems.
I do hope they keep her though, I enjoy and look forward to her whinges when we airfreight back criminal kiwis.
Aaron
I have told Morrison I am ashamed of my Australian citizenship (the latest shipment back included a 15 year old). I guess he could not care. Ok if they have only moved to Oz as older but most of them are products of the Australian  school system having moved over with their parents as toddlers. We are not even shipping back that Australian lowlife who massacred 63 people, he will be a liability to our tax system for as long as he lives.

The only reason I have not relinquished my Australian citizenship is it costs several hundred dollars. I only use the passport to enter and leave Australia because that is the law. I proudly use my Kiwi passport everywhere else.  I describe myself as Aussie by birth, Kiwi by choice.

The latest poll gave Jacinda 43% (it was 58% at the election which cannot be expected to survive),  Judith Collins (Leader of the Opposition) 8%. And for the record I did not vote Labour, I voted Green.
Brianr
Despite what many New Zealanders, including Ardern, may think we, here in Oz, are not the West Island yet.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Brianr, we have this process that I am pleased you actually mentioned to near whole sale prevent kiwi criminals being exported home - it’s called citizenship.

Arguments that they’ve ‘been in Australia near all their lives’ do not impress me, all that’s saying is that they’ve lived here for well more than long enough to become citizen.

Want to be here? Behave. Want a cheap insurance policy if you feel you cannot behave? Behave until you can become a citizen.

It’s quite a trivial argument.

You better believe Jacinda would love nothing more than to send Brenton Tarrant back to Australia, and she could, she just needs to pass a similar law to Australia - except now she can’t, because if she does she’ll just look a fool for her previous whingery. So yes, you’re stuck with him.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I really wish Jacinta was our PM

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-types-vaccines
doyle
The same Prime Minister who promised 100,000 cheap houses to be built for New Zealanders and then didn't even deliver 1,000? Why that liar is so venerated is beyond me.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Why that liar is so venerated is beyond me.
don_dunstan
Clearly.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Jacinda Ardern is actually far more moderated in her statements about Australia's export of criminals than the opposition.
It is very difficult for a NZ citizen to become an Australian despite living there for many years. The son of one of my friends has tried but because his job as a postman is not on the list of required occupations he has been refused. It seems easier for a migrant from China to be accepted.
I was already over 65 and an Australian pensioner when I migrated. I received a NZ pension (not means tested but taxed) backdated to the day I arrived. My Australian Government pension is paid from Centrelink to the NZ Department of Work & Income but, due to my private superannuation fund, it is about half what NZ pays me. The NZ IRD gave me a ruling that, as my Australian private pension is not taxed in Australia, it would not be taxed in NZ. It makes up roughly half my income.
Consequently, although every dollar is taxed in NZ, the rate is 10.5% up to $14,000 and 17.5 % above that and I would not pay any tax if I lived back in Australia. I estimate my income while living in NZ is about 40% more than if I were to return.

Pre-Covid I allocated about Au$16,000 p.a to overseas travel. I doubt that would be possible if I were to return.
I have met a number of Australians living in NZ who, when I tell them I have become a Kiwi, ask me 'Why?'
The day I became a Kiwi was one of the proudest days of my life although I fell in love with the country when I first visited aged 22.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I really wish Jacinta was our PM

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-types-vaccines
The same Prime Minister who promised 100,000 cheap houses to be built for New Zealanders and then didn't even deliver 1,000? Why that liar is so venerated is beyond me.


don_dunstan
Living in a country that has the most despicable liar as a prime minister, was a disgrace in the bushfire emergency and had a belated response to Covid, I guess you would you know.
In March last year, while feeling fairly safe here, I was terrified for my 80+ year old relatives in Sydney.

In 2010 I sold my home in the Blue Mountains, NSW for Au$440,000 and bought one in Dunedin for NZ$250,000. At the time the Au$ was hovering around NZ$1.30 (it is now around NZ$1.07) A similar home a few doors away has just sold for NZ$620,000 (just 6 months ago another similar was NZ$540,000). The housing market is ridiculous.
The problem is there is no capital gains tax and that is driving the prices up as greedy investors seek a non taxed income.  They are screaming today because the government announced yesterday that interest payments can no longer be offset against rent income for tax purposes.
The Christchurch rebuild has made it very difficult to find tradespeople. Another government announcement yesterday was for yet more apprentices but that is not a quick fix.
I agree the Labour party was a bit naive when they made that promise, until Jacinda became leader they were struggling in 2017. Then unfortunately Jacinda promised never to create a Capital gains tax (before Covid hugely increased her popularity.) Unlike John Howard (no GST) she will probably keep to that promise. To me it is obscene that people can make huge untaxed profits on property speculation.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

The member for hillsong Scroto inept Morrison is preaching again, not answering questions as usual when in crisis his default position is to fall back to religion

Porter will have to go you can't hide him if he won't keep his head down as for Reynolds heart issues doubt it, doctors are probably trying to find one for her

This PM will go down as one of the worst Australia has ever had, and go down he will
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I really wish Jacinta was our PM ...
.. Why that liar is so venerated is beyond me.
don_dunstan

Well I like Jacinda, and knowing @don disagrees with me makes me feel this view is rational.  I just fear what @billy might suggest if I say how much.  

On that theme, as for the PM is going down, I no longer think that likely anymore.  If I worked where he did, I wouldn't be hiding under my desk either.

A point on topic: I think our friends over in the EAI (Eastern Australian Islands) Caliphate (I still don't know what it means, but I hope I have used it in sentence well enough this time for the intended irony to be understood) have made their decision on the travel bubble: it ain't happening.

The NSW Gvt's policy position, the VIC Gvt's administrative competence, soon to be followed by the limitations of our vaccination program, are the main reasons.  However this thread explains why it's such a popular policy in NZ.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Scroto will go down at the next election, can't see any other suitable liberal that could be PM, Dutton, Tehan, Roberts, Fletcher, Payne, Friedburger nup no none of them
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don’t think Jacinda is that good as a PM, neither do many in NZ now it seems.
I do hope they keep her though, I enjoy and look forward to her whinges when we airfreight back criminal kiwis.
Aaron
I have told Morrison I am ashamed of my Australian citizenship (the latest shipment back included a 15 year old). I guess he could not care. Ok if they have only moved to Oz as older but most of them are products of the Australian  school system having moved over with their parents as toddlers. We are not even shipping back that Australian lowlife who massacred 63 people, he will be a liability to our tax system for as long as he lives.
Brianr
Part of my previous reply went missing.

I like to think we sent you that 15 year old to offset the tax liability that yourself and especially Tarrant pose to the NZ system, be assured that this 15 year old will most certainly soon land a highly productive, highly paid, highly taxed job to support you and Tarrant real soon - that they've already spent about 7% of their life detained will not delay or preclude that I am sure.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Jacinda Ardern is actually far more moderated in her statements about Australia's export of criminals than the opposition.
It is very difficult for a NZ citizen to become an Australian despite living there for many years. The son of one of my friends has tried but because his job as a postman is not on the list of required occupations he has been refused. It seems easier for a migrant from China to be accepted.
Brianr
I am not convinced that this is accurate, I had cause to speak with Home Affairs staff today regarding my wife's father moving permanently to Australia.

I asked them about Kiwis and the process, preferred occupation is beneficial to people wishing to arrive/remain from any nation. Kiwis have an additional route through permanency via SCV (subclass 444 visa), having spent five year in Australia, or with a declared minimum annual income of AUD53900 (which I now read as having been un-adjusted since 2013-2014, making even easier to achieve 'today') over four years - that's not available to any other nation.

Additionally, these kiwi criminals that we are re-exporting that have 'spent the bulk of their lives in Australia' almost certainly therefore arrived in Australia more that 12 months before 26/1/2001, and hence need only pay AUD285 (today's fee - likely significantly less in past times) and pass the citizenship test - which for native english speakers, especially those from as close as NZ, and especially those that were (even partly) educated in Australia, is only too easy.

Or again, presumably like your friend's son, just behave - it's trivial.

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