The corona virus COVID-19

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Quite honestly, that person in QLD just needs to go to gaol, and if they’re not in possession of Australian citizenship, they need to be deported.
Aaron
Probably get a kiss from the judge and a commendation 'for confessing/being honest'. They would (and have) in Victoria anyway.

Just got my first jab this arvo (AZ of course). Still alive so far. Rolling Eyes

Sponsored advertisement

  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
At least Victoria put theirs before a judge, in SA our shonky pizza deliverer just had SA Health shut down the investigation behind him and let it all go.

Presently I am watching a pre release of a documentary made by a friend of mine on Bradley Edwards, the so called ‘Claremont Serial Killer’. It’s quite interesting, they’ve just had Covid really take hold in WA, about 60-65 days into the trial at the beginning of the fibre evidence analysis - there’s all sorts of goings on surrounding who can be in the court room, how they fit the accused, security, court staff, lawyers and accomodate it all. Lucky it wasn’t a jury trial!
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
I have no idea what DoBUF stands for and I doubt very much you have any idea on UAE law as you seem lacking on Australian law.

We didn't teach our crim's to be crims, well you may have, but I know myself and most others here didn't. Most of us follow the rules, others chose not to. That idiot in Christchurch, who in the Australian govt or Australian mainstream population, his parents etc taught him to go shoot dozens of people? (yes the Kiwi's should deport him back).

And don't be so stupid, seriously. I'm not entitled to a Dutch passport, my kid has only one nationality, Australia cannot kick him out under the Hague convention which the govt has stated more than once. Lets not try and substantiate your extremist left views with mythical BS.
RTT_Rules
And the last bit coming from someone who gets all puffed about anyone else casting aspersions upon your character.

DoBUF stands for a satirical slur I wrote in that same post. To remind, "department of beating up foreigners".
If you want to selectively read, that's fine, but don't throw it back as a bit of superiority. I said nothing about UAE law, you're the resident expert. Very aware of Aussie laws, some are pretty disgusting. The law may be the law, doesn't make it just.

I am comforted that neither you nor Aaron, nor millions of other Aussies, have personnally taught a crim.
My point is that WE collectively as a society DO teach every one of our childen how to behave by our schhols, society and personal behaviour.

Sometimes that example fails. It is OUR collective responsibilty, which does indeed include the miscreant indiviiduals.
What other solution is there? Lock em all up forever? WE aim to be a better society than that.
Not you nor Aaron of course, you're so perfect, others less fortunate and well behaved don't deserve your acknowledgment .

And sure, you can throw the Hauge convention in the face of DoBUF. It would only takes a decade of legal argument to win that.
Dragging 3rd countries into explaining and justifying their own laws. Par for the course with the OZ govdrnment.
Pretty ironic in my hypothetical example, would have to go to Holland to prove that shouldn't have to go to Holland.
All the while the victims of "the system" sit in some "immigration detention facility" aka JAIL.
And it is happening now.

Just be thankful your family has had the shots, and the govt doesn't have any reason to keep you out. Back to the topic.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
And the last bit coming from someone who gets all puffed about anyone else casting aspersions upon your character.

DoBUF stands for a satirical slur I wrote in that same post. To remind, "department of beating up foreigners".
If you want to selectively read, that's fine, but don't throw it back as a bit of superiority. I said nothing about UAE law, you're the resident expert. Very aware of Aussie laws, some are pretty disgusting. The law may be the law, doesn't make it just.

I am comforted that neither you nor Aaron, nor millions of other Aussies, have personnally taught a crim.
My point is that WE collectively as a society DO teach every one of our childen how to behave by our schhols, society and personal behaviour.

Sometimes that example fails. It is OUR collective responsibilty, which does indeed include the miscreant indiviiduals.
What other solution is there? Lock em all up forever? WE aim to be a better society than that.
Not you nor Aaron of course, you're so perfect, others less fortunate and well behaved don't deserve your acknowledgment .

And sure, you can throw the Hauge convention in the face of DoBUF. It would only takes a decade of legal argument to win that.
Dragging 3rd countries into explaining and justifying their own laws. Par for the course with the OZ govdrnment.
Pretty ironic in my hypothetical example, would have to go to Holland to prove that shouldn't have to go to Holland.
All the while the victims of "the system" sit in some "immigration detention facility" aka JAIL.
And it is happening now.

Just be thankful your family has had the shots, and the govt doesn't have any reason to keep you out. Back to the topic.
justarider
"Department to beat up Foreigners", you have been reading too much Australian media.

No, haven't taught a crim, came close to being on the opposite side more than once when younger, choose a different path. Unfortunately some of my friends at school didn't, they are now either dead or dying of Aids from all accounts after being butt F'ed in jail for years and 20+ years of drug taking. I have a small number of adult friends now who are ex crim's,  I take their lead.

Yes, we teach kids on how to behave, most of us. Its not surprising these things are usually generational. But wisdom stated in the 70's and 80's that taking kids off incompetent parents was immoral. Note, most of my past and present crim friends actually came from clean families.

The problem with the "do gooder" approach, while it is admiral and I really do wish the people who do this all the success on what is trying to be achieved. The fact is failure impacts on the rest of of us who are doing the right thing and these failures are not just about petty crime, its assault, sexual assault, fear, murder. My grandparents spent the last 20-25 years of their lives in fear of a forced entry and they lived in Killara FFS. My parents are now that way due to age. At what point do the rest of us say enough, we don't want this crap in our lives, you had your chance, either lock 'em up or kick 'em out. This is why people are increasingly moving to gated communities, avoid PT and living a more secluded lifestyle.

In the case of the UAE, they geofence themselves to protect against both terrorism and non-terrorism related crime and as such I can not lock my doors, leave my wallet in my car in clear view, on the beach I can swim and not have to be constantly looking at my stuff etc etc. The hardest part of leaving the UAE is knowing that you are leaving all this freedom and fear free lifestyle behind (yes their many positives about leaving as well)

I'm personally not for one chance and your out, but there surely must be a points style system when at some point a person looses the right to live in our society whether they be deported or locked up depending on their nationality status and in some cases the first offence is their last chance to cause an offence, ie murder etc.

People are in immigration centers because they broke the law entering the country or while in the country, so yes its very much a jail. They stay there until their case and/or status is resolved. For those entering the country illegally, usually without documentation it involves repeated interviews from people of their own community to see if they are who they say they are and is their claim for asylum legal.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
So anyone from the resident RP lynch mob gonna back down now Razz
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Back to the topic.
"Department to beat up Foreigners", you have been reading too much Australian media.

No, haven't taught a crim, came close to being on the opposite side more than once when younger, choose a different path. Unfortunately some of my friends at school didn't,

At what point do the rest of us say enough, we don't want this crap in our lives, you had your chance, either lock 'em up or kick 'em out. This is why people are increasingly moving to gated communities, avoid PT and living a more secluded lifestyle.

...

I'm personally not for one chance and your out, but there surely must be a points style system when at some point a person looses the right to live in our society whether they be deported or locked up depending on their nationality status and in some cases the first offence is their last chance to cause an offence, ie murder etc.

People are in immigration centers because they broke the law entering the country or while in the country, so yes its very much a jail. They stay there until their case and/or status is resolved. For those entering the country illegally, usually without documentation it involves repeated interviews from people of their own community to see if they are who they say they are and is their claim for asylum legal.
RTT_Rules
Shane, my definition of "beating up" includes the stress and phycological damage being caused. The DoBUF are driving people mad. Yes it's in the media, do you refute it?

Its gratifying to know that you actually understand where the typical crim is coming from, and you can still consider some of them friends.
The question remains,
how pleased will you be when it happens to one of your friends since kinder, and possibly Aussie born, but foreigner parents never got around to do the citizen thing. Plenty of 10 pound poms & Kiwis & European in that boat.
Back you go - to a country where you have no family or contacts, no job, nor (for some) language. Sleep on the streets or more crime.

Where does this leave Dusty Martin. Born in OZ, in his 20s, and wins a Brownlow. BUT, Dad is a Kiwi and booted.
How does he ever become recognised by DoBUF as Australian?
According to them: Existing passport means nothing, Birth Cert means nothing, Aboriginality means nothing, has been known to hang out with bikies/baby-sitters. Go thru a "naturalisation" ceremony ? after $000s of fees - that would be a farce.

Its not only "one chance, you're out".
They've being trolling the crime lists for decades back , looking for any possibility of non-Aussie ness.
Picking up at the JAIL exit (or workplace 10 years on) because don't have a passport - the DoBUF is not the font of all knowledge but you have to prove them wrong.
Try proving a negative sometime, it's not easy. Ask any A&TSI without a registered birth, or a crazy lady with a Qld/German accent.

Not even "one chance", the DoBUF rules didn't even exist then, but the "law" says its OK to put in the boot, retrospective gone mad.

For illegal entry, removal is a non-issue. And that includes pre-existing criminal behavior which is a reason to refuse entry in the first instance.
Just don't muddy that with Refugee issues.

Illegal behavior after arrival, following prior good.
Problematic and my opinion depends upon relevant ages and duration in OZ. No such nuance of justice and fairness exists within DoBUF.  
Extending that poor opinion held of such persons to even before they were born is outrageous. "Sins of the Father" legal precepts went out in the middle ages.

As for refusing sick kids, that is SICK!

back to topic ?

cheers
John
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Part of me wonders if the Qld Health Dept deliberately embellished the 'party' that wasn't, just to scare people.

I'm not one for wild conspiracy theories, but this sort of thing seems commonplace atm.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
We have just had an announcement that Melbourne's next quarantine hotel is ready to operate. A quote attributed to Albert Einstein is appropriate;  "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Part of me wonders if the Qld Health Dept deliberately embellished the 'party' that wasn't, just to scare people.

I'm not one for wild conspiracy theories, but this sort of thing seems commonplace atm.
Carnot
I don't think it is a case of deliberate misinformation. For that to occur it would more likely to come from a conservative government or right wing action group.

The explanation seems to be that the relevant authorities 'misunderstood' what the bloke was saying to them. Nevertheless, Qld Health issued the press release based on what they thought he said and all the media outlets duly reported it. Maybe when asked how many people were at the gathering, the bloke said 'two to five' or something? Did he have an accent?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Its gratifying to know that you actually understand where the typical crim is coming from, and you can still consider some of them friends.
The question remains,
how pleased will you be when it happens to one of your friends since kinder, and possibly Aussie born, but foreigner parents never got around to do the citizen thing. Plenty of 10 pound poms & Kiwis & European in that boat.
Back you go - to a country where you have no family or contacts, no job, nor (for some) language. Sleep on the streets or more crime.

Where does this leave Dusty Martin. Born in OZ, in his 20s, and wins a Brownlow. BUT, Dad is a Kiwi and booted.
How does he ever become recognised by DoBUF as Australian?
According to them: Existing passport means nothing, Birth Cert means nothing, Aboriginality means nothing, has been known to hang out with bikies/baby-sitters. Go thru a "naturalisation" ceremony ? after $000s of fees - that would be a farce.

Its not only "one chance, you're out".
They've being trolling the crime lists for decades back , looking for any possibility of non-Aussie ness.
Picking up at the JAIL exit (or workplace 10 years on) because don't have a passport - the DoBUF is not the font of all knowledge but you have to prove them wrong.
Try proving a negative sometime, it's not easy. Ask any A&TSI without a registered birth, or a crazy lady with a Qld/German accent.

Not even "one chance", the DoBUF rules didn't even exist then, but the "law" says its OK to put in the boot, retrospective gone mad.

For illegal entry, removal is a non-issue. And that includes pre-existing criminal behavior which is a reason to refuse entry in the first instance.
Just don't muddy that with Refugee issues.

Illegal behavior after arrival, following prior good.
Problematic and my opinion depends upon relevant ages and duration in OZ. No such nuance of justice and fairness exists within DoBUF.  
Extending that poor opinion held of such persons to even before they were born is outrageous. "Sins of the Father" legal precepts went out in the middle ages.

As for refusing sick kids, that is SICK!

back to topic ?

cheers
John
justarider
So because someone is of Aboriginal heritage he has an automatic right to stay in the country even if the person is not actually a current Aussie citizen or dual passport holder?

I'm of European heritage,  this doesn't give me automatic access to Europe. My wife is first generation Asian, she doesn't have automatic access to Malaysia. what about people who have migrated away from Australia of Non-aboriginal decent, do ttheir off-spring have automatic access to Australia?  One rule for some, other rules for others????

My own father came very close to having this happen to him because the paperwork wasn't filled out correctly and he didn't know it for 25 years, so yes I know exactly what it could mean and I can assure you he is saying kick the trouble makers out.

A Birth Certificate doesn't make you a citizen of that country in the majority of country's in the world, this has been expressed to you by more than me in this group. Citizenship is mostly by decent from your parents and passport if you choose to change.

If you are evicted, why should the govt or the rest of us care what your future holds. The person is being kicked out because they didn't care about their victims, past, present or future victims. Why are you making their problems, yours and my problem? Or are you doing the typical, "the govt" should solve it, the govt is us, if you won't do it personally, then why should I and the rest of us have to suffer.

Yes, being sent to a country with no friends or family is hard core and maybe not speaking the language, fortunately its rare, but I can assure you their victims can sleep more soundly. Maybe a few others will take note and make different life choices.

There are 7B people in the world, 100's millions have health issues, where does it stop?

One more time, the rules are simple, most of us follow them with only minor glitches, do the right thing and you have no issue. We have a waiting list bigger than what we can accept for people wanting to move here and make a go of it and have a better life for their kids, so yes I'm happy to kick out those who don't want to play by the rules.

Regards
Shane
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
^ Hey you, get off my cloud.
LOL!
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

Its gratifying to know that you actually understand where the typical crim is coming from, and you can still consider some of them friends.
The question remains...
--justarider


So because someone is of Aboriginal heritage he has an automatic right to stay in the country even if the person is not actually a current Aussie citizen or dual passport holder?

.........

One more time, the rules are simple, most of us follow them with only minor glitches, do the right thing and you have no issue. We have a waiting list bigger than what we can accept for people wanting to move here and make a go of it and have a better life for their kids, so yes I'm happy to kick out those who don't want to play by the rules.

Regards
Shane
RTT_Rules
If only the rules were so simple. We could all just do what your emotional thoughts tell you.

You won't respond to issue of substance. Fine, just dont expect me to agree with your opinions.

And yes, Aboriginals are a special case. The High Court said so, that is the law, so follow it.
Now all we need is the DoBUF to obey the law also, instead of getting chatised each time they appear before their honours.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
^ Hey you, get off my cloud.
LOL!
DirtyBallast
Sorry DB. Correct of course, Covid does bring out the feral.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If only the rules were so simple. We could all just do what your emotional thoughts tell you.

You won't respond to issue of substance. Fine, just dont expect me to agree with your opinions.

And yes, Aboriginals are a special case. The High Court said so, that is the law, so follow it.
Now all we need is the DoBUF to obey the law also, instead of getting chatised each time they appear before their honours.
justarider
I thought I responded quite clearly.

Myself and I suspect most of the community are not interested to put up with the crap and cost of funding people who make our lives less enjoyable and induce fear into the community. They should either go to jail for a long time or if hold Citizenship of another country and can be deported, should be deported.

Does it get any simpler or more direct?

If you think my comments are emotional, then what position are you arguing from?

If legally people of Aboriginal descent but not holding Australian citizenship cannot legally be kicked out, then so be it but personally I don't see why they are a special case and why do they needed to be treated separately? What makes them so special?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
^ Hey you, get off my cloud.
LOL!
DirtyBallast
ahh, you want to be special?
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

We die earlier
We have higher incarceration rates
We have higher suicide rates
We have higher infant mortality

Read on  

https://australianstogether.org.au/discover/the-wound/indigenous-disadvantage-in-australia/
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Back to the topic.
"Department to beat up Foreigners", you have been reading too much Australian media.

No, haven't taught a crim, came close to being on the opposite side more than once when younger, choose a different path. Unfortunately some of my friends at school didn't,

At what point do the rest of us say enough, we don't want this crap in our lives, you had your chance, either lock 'em up or kick 'em out. This is why people are increasingly moving to gated communities, avoid PT and living a more secluded lifestyle.

...

I'm personally not for one chance and your out, but there surely must be a points style system when at some point a person looses the right to live in our society whether they be deported or locked up depending on their nationality status and in some cases the first offence is their last chance to cause an offence, ie murder etc.

People are in immigration centers because they broke the law entering the country or while in the country, so yes its very much a jail. They stay there until their case and/or status is resolved. For those entering the country illegally, usually without documentation it involves repeated interviews from people of their own community to see if they are who they say they are and is their claim for asylum legal.
Shane, my definition of "beating up" includes the stress and phycological damage being caused. The DoBUF are driving people mad. Yes it's in the media, do you refute it?
justarider
Easily, 'beating up' in no standard dictionary use of the words means what you think it means - if you're going to make up non standard meanings then discussion with you will always yield no progress.

Plenty of 10 pound poms & Kiwis & European in that boat.
Back you go - to a country where you have no family or contacts, no job, nor (for some) language. Sleep on the streets or more crime.

Where does this leave Dusty Martin. Born in OZ, in his 20s, and wins a Brownlow. BUT, Dad is a Kiwi and booted.
How does he ever become recognised by DoBUF as Australian?
According to them: Existing passport means nothing, Birth Cert means nothing, Aboriginality means nothing, has been known to hang out with bikies/baby-sitters. Go thru a "naturalisation" ceremony ? after $000s of fees - that would be a farce.

Its not only "one chance, you're out".
They've being trolling the crime lists for decades back , looking for any possibility of non-Aussie ness.
Picking up at the JAIL exit (or workplace 10 years on) because don't have a passport - the DoBUF is not the font of all knowledge but you have to prove them wrong.
Try proving a negative sometime, it's not easy. Ask any A&TSI without a registered birth, or a crazy lady with a Qld/German accent.

Not even "one chance", the DoBUF rules didn't even exist then, but the "law" says its OK to put in the boot, retrospective gone mad.
justarider
I have said many times, first and foremost there is ALWAYS the opportunity to behave, generally that does not depend on anyone aside from the VISA holder.

Dusty Martin is left exactly where he is, no need to feel too sorry for him, he's probably paid more per week than you are a year and likely has not lived with or depended on his father financially for many years - he'll be just fine, he can afford to fly to NZ quite frequently. My wife earns SUBSTANTIALLY less, and her father lives significantly further away, and both she and he cope just fine too.

How does he ever become recognised (by anyone) as Australian? Which 'he'? Dad? He never will now, his problem not ours. Dusty? Citizenship - keep asking and I will keep telling you, honestly, it's trivial, but you'll come to understand eventually I hope.

Existing passport, so long as it is Australian issue, does mean something, birth certificate, depending on your parent's circumstances may or may not mean anything, Aboriginality with reference to the previous two, shouldn't mean anything, it doesn't elsewhere in the World (and three High Court judges agreed so, so it's hardly as clear cut as you would like to make it out). Ironically, the High Court's 4-3 decision has created a special case of person for the exceptionally few foreign born Aboriginals, which considering equality is the end game is somewhat ironic, we now have to make them something different to treat them the same. Recall, these foreign born Aboriginals do not have the birth certificate you think should count for everything, neither do they have Australian passports.

Citizenship/naturalisation doesn't cost anything like thousands, it would have cost Dusty's dad (the maximum fee) $285, Dusty probably earns more than that during the quarter time break. For some others it might cost down to less than $200, my wife's costs $285, but her friend's only cost her $190 this year.

The department does wait by gaol exits and workplaces to pick these people up, and for good reason! There's a good chance that if you're looking for someone and they're in gaol you'll be able to find them on exit, and if they're work you'll find them at work because you know they're there - waiting for someone without reason on a random street 'just in case' would seem an unnecessary waste of resources.

They pick up people detained in gaol at the exit because whilst in gaol the criminal's visa will have been cancelled, at that point they have no right to be in the country, why wouldn't they pick them up there?

You don't have to prove the department wrong, the criminal merely has to prove they have a valid visa, the government's allegation is that as a convicted serious criminal they no longer hold a valid visa, the department is on pretty solid ground, they're the people that cancelled it.

'10 years on'? Who cares, that someone has gotten away with something for sometime is no reason to let them continue to get away with it, if it takes that long to catch up with them, so be it. I am proof watching my friend's documentary of Bradley Edwards' killings, they took 20+ years to catch up with him, do you think he should still be left doing what he was doing the day before he was arrested?

Who is being asked to prove a negative? In every case of a cancelled visa, or visa not held the accused has a 100% defense, that being that they hold a visa, that's not being required to prove a negative. It's the government that is effectively proving the negative, that being that the soon to be deportee does not hold a visa - think what that word 'not' implies.

You keep missing the point, "not even 'one chance'", again, they have every chance ... to simply comply with laws and not be a serious criminal ... ie - b e h a v e - maybe that will make you read it slower and understand.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Gulp...
Carnot
Thankfully, this now appears to be some sort of miscommunication/misunderstanding and it seems didn't happen. Though how this came to be seems not fully understood, 25 in the house instead of 4 house mates and one 'visitor' or similar on the surface do not immediately seem to be alike events.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
@Aaron, last word from me. You can bleat all you like about "valid visa".
The department makes the rules and changes when-ever it likes, to suit the desired outcome (ie: kick em out).
You're happy with that, I'm not.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Brisbane back into three day lockdown from 17:00 tonight (Monday)

https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/10-new-cases-overnight-brisbane-to-go-into-lockdown-20210329-p57etc.html
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
[color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, "Segoe UI", Segoe, "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][b] [b]@Aaron[/b][/b][/font][/size][/color], last word from me. You can bleat all you like about "valid visa".
The department makes the rules and changes when-ever it likes, to suit the desired outcome (ie: kick em out).
You're happy with that, I'm not.
“justarider”
You do understand that the basis for these ‘kick em out’ decisions comes from legislation originally written in 1992 don’t you? By that measure, it was a Keating government initiative, and even though this legislation was so in error Rudd, Gillard and Rudd didn’t bother to ‘fix’ it.

Andrew Moore’s deportation (among many others) was signed off by Christopher Evans, an ALP Senator and Minister for Immigration and Citizenship so clearly the ALP, Evans and Rudd had no qualms with the policy. Notably, the UK didn’t formerly question the deportation during inquest, or raise it internationally, because they knew the differences between resident and citizen are, and that Australia is on solid grounds, as is every other nation that does similar.

Maybe it’s just you…
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Part of me wonders if the Qld Health Dept deliberately embellished the 'party' that wasn't, just to scare people.

I'm not one for wild conspiracy theories, but this sort of thing seems commonplace atm.
I don't think it is a case of deliberate misinformation. For that to occur it would more likely to come from a conservative government or right wing action group.

The explanation seems to be that the relevant authorities 'misunderstood' what the bloke was saying to them. Nevertheless, Qld Health issued the press release based on what they thought he said and all the media outlets duly reported it. Maybe when asked how many people were at the gathering, the bloke said 'two to five' or something? Did he have an accent?
DirtyBallast
Qld Health does not have a reputation for getting things right the first time.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
We die earlier
We have higher incarceration rates
We have higher suicide rates
We have higher infant mortality

Read on  

https://australianstogether.org.au/discover/the-wound/indigenous-disadvantage-in-australia/
doyle
I don't need to read that link to see the problem, I've seen it in particular Walgett, but others including Moree, Ivanhoe, Wilcania etc are not much better. Go out for dinner at Trangie, by 8pm the place is a ghost down with heavy roller shutters that you'd find in the worst parts of Sydney, not typically a small country town of less than 3000.

Basically travel to a number of towns of NW NSW and parts of Qld such as Sth Rockhampton, its disgusting. In Walgett felt like I was in a war torn part of Africa, I called my mum who grew up in another NW NSW ghetto $hithole Moree, back in the 50's and 60's, Walgett was the only town they were not allowed to stay over night when touring playing basket ball.  

Went camping in Port Stewart, on the Cape in Qld. Town was 99% empty apart from feral kids running around. Ask the one guy who was still there at the camping ground where is everyone. "It Pension day, gone to Coen to get pi$$ed for a week, they will all be back after the weekend hung over and looking for a fight and to steal stuff, recommend you stay for 4 days then go".

So are we surprised

We die earlier
We have higher incarceration rates
We have higher suicide rates
We have higher infant mortality


Clearly 50 years of "white help" and billions of dollars handed over without question has not solved the problem.

Isn't it time the Aboriginal community stepped up to solve their own problem?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
@Aaron, last word from me. You can bleat all you like about "valid visa".
The department makes the rules and changes when-ever it likes, to suit the desired outcome (ie: kick em out).
You're happy with that, I'm not.
justarider
What is it so hard to comprehend that to stay in Australia you need a "valid visa" if you don't have permanent arrangements, seriously? This is a standard requirement world wide.

The department does not "makes the rules and changes when-ever it likes", the department operates within govt laws with the courts basically ensuring compliance to these laws.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
What do deportations, Visas, refugees et al have to do with COVID-19?

Sponsored advertisement

Display from: