The corona virus COVID-19

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-warns-of-pandemic-threat-in-new-sign-of-border-caution-20210511-p57qua.html

Wow what next will Scroto learn
doyle
Wasn’t it live alongside the virus and open up your economy?
And go to the footy.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mask Management Russian Style

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
"Hotel quarantine" has to be Oxymoron of the Year.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

"Hotel quarantine" has to be Oxymoron of the Year.
Valvegear

I know what I'm doing is inadequate and disastrous failures are inevitable, but because I'm just doing my job and need to keep doing just my job not anybody else's ... I've done a "risk assessment".  I can do this because with a TAFE III certificate in cafeteria hospitality and having also worked 3 shifts as a voluntary security guard, I'm just as qualified to do a risk assessment as any insurance actuary.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I have noticed contact tracing problem in Victoria. Here it is in summary; In some places with Q.R codes, one can scan the Q.R code and sign up, no app required but in others, one must have the Serivce Victoria app to sign in that way and it is difficult to get the app.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
China accuses the United States of running their own bio-weapons program - probably because there's been a lot of talk recently about the Wuhan Lab being responsible for the COVID situation - from the communist party mouthpiece the Global Times:

US biolab transparency urged after smearing China over weaponizing COVID-19

By Global Times Published: May 10, 2021 06:25 PM  

It is the US that is conducting biological warfare and bioterrorism using genetic engineering technology, rather than China, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on Monday in response to a media report accusing China of weaponizing COVID-19.  

The Chinese Foreign Ministry urged the US to be transparent on their biolabs and their ongoing bioweapons studies.

Quoting a so-called leaked document obtained by the US State Department, which is actually a book that is openly on sale, The Australian claimed China had been looking into whether it could weaponize the coronavirus five years before the COVID-19 pandemic, and even presented the document as evidence of China’s interest in bioweapons.

There are always some in the US who smear China either by hyping up facts or quoting so-called internal documents or reports, but it is usually a case of “the guilty party filing the suit first”, deliberate misinterpretation, presumption of guilt or merely spreading lies, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying said on Monday at the press briefing.

The US has set up biolabs in 25 countries and regions across the Middle East, Africa, Southeast Asia and former Soviet Union, with 16 in Ukraine alone. Some of the places where the labs are based have seen large-scale outbreaks of infectious diseases and other dangerous infectious diseases, the ministry said, citing media reports.

The Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson demanded that the US address international concerns: Why is the US building so many biolabs around the globe? How much sensitive biological resources and information has the US obtained from other countries? What kind of activities has the US carried out in its Fort Detrick laboratory and other biolabs, and what’s the relationship between these biolabs and its “next generation bioweapons”?
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

I have noticed contact tracing problem in Victoria. Here it is in summary; In some places with Q.R codes, one can scan the Q.R code and sign up, no app required but in others, one must have the Serivce Victoria app to sign in that way and it is difficult to get the app.
Myrtone
Exactly this. Some places even have the wrong instructions for the QR code they're displaying. "Scan code and input your details to sign-in." But the code sends you to the app store. Brilliant in a medical centre frequently visited by the elderly.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I have noticed contact tracing problem in Victoria. Here it is in summary; In some places with Q.R codes, one can scan the Q.R code and sign up, no app required but in others, one must have the Serivce Victoria app to sign in that way and it is difficult to get the app.
Exactly this. Some places even have the wrong instructions for the QR code they're displaying. "Scan code and input your details to sign-in." But the code sends you to the app store. Brilliant in a medical centre frequently visited by the elderly.
Madjikthise
But, but, but ... 5'3" gauge is better.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
A panel backed by the WHO came out yesterday and basically panned Governments around the globe for not being ready enough for this Pandemic, in short, the panel's findings is that Govts were too slow to respond to the emergency.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I think the major problem is that nobody really knew what to do.

There had not been a world wide pandemic like this in living memory and everyone was starting from square one. Opinions varied, methods were tried and adopted or failed and discarded, there was no vaccine, and so on. Understandably, it took months before control measures were in place and working and, even then, there were failures of execution of these measures.

The panel is certainly right in general, and we have an example here that could and should be justifiably criticised - the so called hotel quarantine. How many failures do we need before the pollies realise that this process is just not genuine quarantine? When you can chat over the balcony next door, or have two opposite room doors open at the one time, it is a racing certainty that transmissions will occur.

It's in either the Too Hard or Too Dumb basket.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Like Sergeant Shultz 'I know nothink' other than my long held hobbyhorse that the circulation of air in anything airconditioned (hotels, trains, offices etc) had to be a serious risk.
Sadly, it seems, that many of our so called experts are yet to agree with me.
Too much was taken for granted and left to chance.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The panel is certainly right in general, and we have an example here that could and should be justifiably criticised - the so called hotel quarantine. How many failures do we need before the pollies realise that this process is just not genuine quarantine? When you can chat over the balcony next door, or have two opposite room doors open at the one time, it is a racing certainty that transmissions will occur.
Valvegear
We still have no real idea about the transmission or incubation times - whether it makes everyone who is infected sick, etc. I was reading the other day that the latest theory is the virus simply can't be transmitted easily outdoors full-stop, so the mandated wearing of masks outdoors in some places in completely pointless. They keep changing their minds about key details, maybe with better research in time they'll finally work out what the best methods of managing this thing are -
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I think the major problem is that nobody really knew what to do.
Valvegear

I reckon that's a load of crap.  Everyone has known what to do for more than a year.  The Chinese did it in January/February last year.  *We* did it in April/May last year (perhaps accidentally).  Victoria did it *again* in August/Sept last year.  But for various reasons most places in the world are struggling, because they don't want to do what everyone knows needs to be done.

It's so simple.  If you stay home, you can't catch it, and you can't give to to anyone else.  If everyone in the world did this, it would be gone in a fortnight.  All the BS theories about masks, and staying 2m apart (only 1,5m in Australia, 'cause we're tough), dodgy vaccines, "kids don't get it", "it's just be like the flu" and "I need an exemption because I'm an essential services worker doing Michaelia Cash's hair", is just that: BS.  It's all been wishful thinking based on what people want to be true, but we all know isn't.

All this stuff about "Ohh, we didn't know" is also all BS.  The CIA advised Trump pretty much everything that is now known and accepted about COVID (it was information not scientific evidence from presumably mostly various Chinese sources, but they were completely right - about being airbore, 2-3% lethality with an R0 of 3) in JANUARY 2020.

Politicians all around the world of all different persuasions have been playing typical games and failed us: denying there is a problem, blaming others for the problem, implementing a "proportionate" response "balancing" the conflicting needs of realists and fantasists.  But (almost) none of it has worked.  However plenty of politicians have proudly proclaimed "I have magnanimously decided the Christmas goes ahead this year."  The Olympic Games will go ahead this year, because I am so determined.

It's very simple.  You go into lockdown.  The lockdown is as deep and as tight as possible, not with as many exemptions as possible, as they just prolong the treatment.  You stay in lockdown until COVID is gone.  Not forever.  Not until "it's under control".  Not until it's "down to manageable levels".  Gone.  Because when it's gone .. IT'S GONE !!!  

In Australia we seem completely intent on throwing this away because ... well ... buggered if I know, other than @RRT_RULES apparently wants to visit his mum more often and tennis is important.

Everyone in the world knows how to deal with COVID.  It's just most don't seem to want to do it.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

The panel is certainly right in general, and we have an example here that could and should be justifiably criticised - the so called hotel quarantine. How many failures do we need before the pollies realise that this process is just not genuine quarantine? When you can chat over the balcony next door, or have two opposite room doors open at the one time, it is a racing certainty that transmissions will occur.
We still have no real idea about the transmission or incubation times - whether it makes everyone who is infected sick, etc. I was reading the other day that the latest theory is the virus simply can't be transmitted easily outdoors full-stop, so the mandated wearing of masks outdoors in some places in completely pointless. They keep changing their minds about key details, maybe with better research in time they'll finally work out what the best methods of managing this thing are -
don_dunstan
All of this is known @don, and it too has been known for more than a year.

Incubation: 24hrs, typically 4-5 days but up to 16 days.

~40% of people infected are asymptomatic.  (Been known since the Vo study in April 2020 IIRC, but took almost a year for the scientific community and public policy settings to catch up).  Asymptomatic people are (almost) as likely to infect others as symptomatic people.  (I havn't seen good data/studies on why, just conjecture)

Aerosol spread has been known since January 2020, but it is still not the scientific orthodoxy, and not reflected in many PPE and public policy settings.  But equally this too is a problem for the scientific community IMHO.  "I have found religion, I now believe, aerosol spread is real - therefore the other forms of spread (which *can* and have been mitigated against) can't happen in parallel"  I used to think Y was dangerous, but now I've discovered X is dangerous, Y must be completely safe.  Just because you've learned to wash your hands after going to the toilet, doesn't mean you shouldn't keep wiping with toilet paper.

The bottom line is you can get Covid by breathing the air someone else has breathed.  That's obviously easier to do inside than outside, but you can still get it outside if you breath the same air someone else has.

And masks do work - even outside - just not very well, because they stop droplets more effectively than they stop aerosols.

I stress, none of this is new.  The CIA advised Trump of all this (before there were formal studies to back it up) in JANUARY 2020.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I reckon that's a load of crap.  Everyone has known what to do for more than a year.
"djf01"
Well you really are an expert after the event, aren't you? Anyone who could read properly, which seems to exclude you, would know that my comment about not knowing what to do applied to the onset of the pandemic. Good try, sonny.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I reckon that's a load of crap.  Everyone has known what to do for more than a year.
Well you really are an expert after the event, aren't you? Anyone who could read properly, which seems to exclude you, would know that my comment about not knowing what to do applied to the onset of the pandemic. Good try, sonny.
Valvegear

I'm truly very sorry @Valvegear.  

After my late night tangential rant when I considered changing the lead in (with hindsight it should have run on off @YM's) as even at the time it felt like I was trying to convince Chappelli that Ian Botham is really a good bloke, just an average cricketer.

But you are absolutely right, I didn't read your post correctly, and I worded it to target you personally which was not my intention.  Please accept my apologies.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Thank you dfj01; that was a very kind apology and I appreciate it.

(P.S. You'll never convince Chappelli or me)
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I reckon that's a load of crap.  Everyone has known what to do for more than a year.
Well you really are an expert after the event, aren't you? Anyone who could read properly, which seems to exclude you, would know that my comment about not knowing what to do applied to the onset of the pandemic. Good try, sonny.

I'm truly very sorry @Valvegear.  

After my late night tangential rant when I considered changing the lead in (with hindsight it should have run on off @YM's) as even at the time it felt like I was trying to convince Chappelli that Ian Botham is really a good bloke, just an average cricketer.

But you are absolutely right, I didn't read your post correctly, and I worded it to target you personally which was not my intention.  Please accept my apologies.
djf01
Did I get off scot-free?
Great to see a level of maturity and civility in these trying times. Very Happy
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

It's very simple.  You go into lockdown.  The lockdown is as deep and as tight as possible, not with as many exemptions as possible, as they just prolong the treatment.  You stay in lockdown until COVID is gone.  Not forever.  Not until "it's under control".  Not until it's "down to manageable levels".  Gone.  Because when it's gone .. IT'S GONE !!!  

In Australia we seem completely intent on throwing this away because ... well ... buggered if I know, other than @RRT_RULES apparently wants to visit his mum more often and tennis is important.

Everyone in the world knows how to deal with COVID.  It's just most don't seem to want to do it.
djf01
The lockdown needs to be a month as a minimum which is what was just in most places that were effective at removing the virus. The reason a month as transmission and then recovery through a family in the same house can take time.

Many country's did the lockdown, many can no longer afford to do it again.

Some country's with about 50% of the world's population cannot have a lockdown as the after 1 month there will be a billion dead or dying of starvation.

Yes, correct many politicians know what needs to be done, the trouble it cannot be done.

Meanwhile other country's have learnt to manage it and get on with life while rolling out the vaccine as fast as possible.

Unfortunately for some country's and individuals we have too many vaccine snobs who only what Pfizer, the one vaccine that is the most expensive and hardest to produce. Meanwhile there are others from China and Russia and including AZ that could be rolled out much faster to put a real dent in the virus and Pfizer or other similar can be issued as they become available in the future.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
"Many country's did the lockdown, "; "Some country's with about 50%..."; "Meanwhile other country's have learnt...".
"RTT_Rules"


How many times does it need to be said?

The plural of country is countries.

Country's is singular possessive.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

"Many country's did the lockdown, "; "Some country's with about 50%..."; "Meanwhile other country's have learnt...".


How many times does it need to be said?

The plural of country is countries.

Country's is singular possessive.
Valvegear

It's almost as annoying as the way people always incorrectly pronounce the "tree" in CountryLink

Edit: pre-emptive apology, I *really* should have run that off Shane's latest dribble, as the grammar is the least of it's issues.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Another hobbyhorse that I cannot explain in technical terms which is found everywhere:

'The X class are IS a class of diesel-electric locomotives ............
'V/line are IS a passenger oriented railway ............
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Edit: pre-emptive apology, I *really* should have run that off Shane's latest dribble, as the grammar is the least of it's issues.
djf01
"grammar is the least of it is issues?" or "grammar is the least of it has issues?"
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Edit: pre-emptive apology, I *really* should have run that off Shane's latest dribble, as the grammar is the least of it's issues.
"grammar is the least of it is issues?" or "grammar is the least of it has issues?"
apw5910
I could have written "his issues", but that would have inappropriately presumed Shane's dribbles (or is it " Shanes' "? - he posts so much here there must be more than one of him/her/them/it) are not gender neutral.  

Next time I'll do the politically correct thing and Miss Spell (who is she?) "there"   stop
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Eric Clapton speaks out against the Astra-Zenica vaccine, saying that he feared it was going to permanently maim him at one point - Daily Mail (UK);

Eric Clapton has hit out at 'propaganda' over vaccine safety, claiming he suffered alarming side effects after his Covid jabs.

The legendary guitarist, a lockdown sceptic, said his hands and feet became 'useless' – prompting fears he would never play again.

In a message to his music producer, he said: 'I took the first jab of AZ [AstraZeneca] and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days.'

The 76-year-old said he 'recovered eventually' but suffered further 'disastrous reactions' six weeks later after the second shot.

He added: 'My hands and feet were either frozen, numb or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again...

'I should never have gone near the needle.

'But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone.'

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