The corona virus COVID-19

 
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Melbourne has plummeted in the "World's Most Liveable City" rankings primarily due to lockdowns
Carnot
Yep.  Mumbai is streaking ahead ... /s

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Whoever voted Melbourne as the world's most liveable city has some form of mental illness. Until Victoria has a visitor- friendly PT ticketing system it cannot possibly rate.
It's not that long since I met an American family on Rushall station where they expected to buy train tickets. But train tickets at a railway station? Are they stupid or something? In those days there was no Myki machine at Rushall, so you had to walk just over a kilometre to a 7-11 or newsagent and buy Myki cards there. Oh; you only want single trip tickets? Don't be bloody ridiculous; this is Melbourne; we don't have convenient things like that here.
The disbelief of the Americans said it all.
Valvegear
in other countries faced with similar situations we just hop on the train and pay dumb or rather just play the tourist card as we know no different and the person checking is very understanding.

In Florence we stayed one stop out of town on the interurban line. Got to the station and the one machine wasn't working, the American who lived there on the station said don't worry, by the time the train gets here to Florence the guard (usually female) is in the drivers compartment busy chatting up the driver. Which was true.

I will however not returning in the afternoon the again female guard helped a woman with kids, one disabled and older person into the disabled carriage. Told people to move from their seats, all did no complaints and then helped park the pram and asked the disabled guy when he was getting off so she would be there to help. That's service!
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Rushall still doesn't have a Myki machine?  Last time I saw one without Myki facility was at Reservoir, which was being grade separated.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I could never understand how Melbourne reached its lofty position, from which to fall, in the first place.
Don't know about Brisbane, but Adelaide and Perth rating ahead of Melbourne is no surprise to me.
I suppose it all depends on what one defines as 'liveable'
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I wonder how many voters regularly lived in Melbourne.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I guess I misunderstood.  I thought the 10k limit during Melb lockdown meant 10 kilometres.  It obviously means 10,000 kilometres.  

  Carnot Minister for Railways

I'm not surprised.  I was at a local cafe in Central Vic on the weekend and Melbourne people were trying to get in.  They wouldn't show ID to staff but fessed up and were turned away.

I'm guessing illegal escapees from Plaguetown are probably in the 1000s...
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The violators should have pet chips embedded.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Rushall still doesn't have a Myki machine?
"route14"
It does now.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The violators should have pet chips embedded.
route14
Bill Gates can arrange that Wink
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Don't give Dan any ideas!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I guess I misunderstood.  I thought the 10k limit during Melb lockdown meant 10 kilometres.  It obviously means 10,000 kilometres.  

"djf01"


A reasonable defence.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Don't give Dan any ideas!
Donald
Meh, Scomo has already beaten him to it. Relax, I'm being facetious.

This issue reminds me a bit of the abandoned Australia Card proposal:
Australia Card - Wikipedia

Ultimately defeated by a range of factors including privacy concerns, by comparison we now (mostly) abide by regulations that show governments who we are and where we are via QR scans without a second thought.

Is it fair to conclude that a correlation exists between an increasing majority of people willing to divulge their names and location details to government, vs. what seems to be a louder and more polarised conspiracy theory cohort that won't? Do the non-believers/conspiracy theorists/anti-vaxxers act more radically than ever because of the increasing willingness of the vast majority to comply?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Ultimately defeated by a range of factors including privacy concerns, by comparison we now (mostly) abide by regulations that show governments who we are and where we are via QR scans without a second thought.
DirtyBallast

I always give it a second thought.  But then I'm paranoid, and should realise if I've done nothing wrong then I've nothing to fear.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out

Is it fair to conclude that a correlation exists between an increasing majority of people willing to divulge their names and location details to government, vs. what seems to be a louder and more polarised conspiracy theory cohort that won't? Do the non-believers/conspiracy theorists/anti-vaxxers act more radically than ever because of the increasing willingness of the vast majority to comply?
DirtyBallast
Social media bubbles are causing feedback loops, as well as making people take whatever news they see posted at face value.

It's why you hear the term "Silent Majority" a lot. These groups only confirm their own biases and think everyone else who isn't disagreeing with them supports their viewpoint, which more often than not ends in a really wild and deep dive into conspiracy nutter level of dumbness half the time.

Best one I've seen is the "Million Victorians against Dan", with less than 5,000 people in it who are full of Anti-vax nutjobs.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Don't give Dan any ideas!
Meh, Scomo has already beaten him to it. Relax, I'm being facetious.

This issue reminds me a bit of the abandoned Australia Card proposal:
Australia Card - Wikipedia

Ultimately defeated by a range of factors including privacy concerns, by comparison we now (mostly) abide by regulations that show governments who we are and where we are via QR scans without a second thought.

Is it fair to conclude that a correlation exists between an increasing majority of people willing to divulge their names and location details to government, vs. what seems to be a louder and more polarised conspiracy theory cohort that won't? Do the non-believers/conspiracy theorists/anti-vaxxers act more radically than ever because of the increasing willingness of the vast majority to comply?
DirtyBallast
I was a supporter of the Aussie Card. However it failed because of people concerned about loss of privacy, so the govt has the defacto Aussie card spread across multiple platforms, ATO's TFN, Medicare and the state issued drivers licenses or if you don't have a driving license you can get Proof of ID which contains the same data. Handy for the Millennials who don't drive to get in bars.

Yah, the nut jobs won, NOT!

So having left the bubble wrap society first moved in India, they have the PAN Card, basically form of ID in a country of 1.3 B people who don't trust each other and for good reason, but used for Govt services and tax purposes.

Then UAE, we have the Emirates ID card (for all nationalities), it contains no less than
- Passport information
- Sponsor if expat
- All 10 finger prints
- Eye scan
- Photo

Needs replacing at my cost with new Visa every 3 years for us, however most expats it 2 years. Even my kids have one.

Standard ID used to get anything in the country or need to prove your age or who you are.

Do I or most expats I know feel violated? Nope, just bloody easy and replaces the various defacto BS options we have in Australia.

With each generation, we open up more on Social media by choice or not.

In London there is a direct correlation with reducing rates of crime and the number of security camera's. So the question is to those who oppose. Would you agree with increase loss of privacy including the use of street security camera's in return for your daughters, wife's mothers, sisters and even your own safety walking the streets?

Things like the Australia Card just formalise what we know the govt already has access too. We know they can track you using your phone and accessing the various security systems, your cars number plate using speed camera's and E-toll. Probably easier to at least bring it out into the open rather than pretend it doesn't exist.

I think the obvious one that's come to light during CV is how much monitoring the police do of our sewer systems looking for CV-19 traces (cough "drug labs"). I know the later is true as I know a guy who works for the police doing this supplying the equipment and has done for years.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I was a supporter of the Aussie Card. However it failed because of people concerned about loss of privacy,
RTT_Rules

However those same people most likely happily have a Medicare card, Flybuys, Woolworths Rewards et al that keep track of where, when and how much they shop. They probably carry a mobile phone that can track their whereabouts. Go figure.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
It seems in the modern world that if you buy anything, stay anywhere, basically have any sort of interaction, you are expected to rate the service providor and they get to rate you. Shops, restaurants, hotels, AirBnb, doctors, toll gates,  you name it, we all get to give him/her/it from one to five stars. Not much different from China's dreaded Social Credit System. Yet crouched in the language of pursuit of quality and excellence, encouraging people to exceed themselves and other New Age HR mallarky, we seemhappy to accept this constant intrusion and judgement of each other.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The violators should have pet chips embedded.
"route14"


Already embedded in the Covid vaccines.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
It seems in the modern world that if you buy anything, stay anywhere, basically have any sort of interaction, you are expected to rate the service providor and they get to rate you. Shops, restaurants, hotels, AirBnb, doctors, toll gates,  you name it, we all get to give him/her/it from one to five stars. Not much different from China's dreaded Social Credit System. Yet crouched in the language of pursuit of quality and excellence, encouraging people to exceed themselves and other New Age HR mallarky, we seemhappy to accept this constant intrusion and judgement of each other.
billybaxter
Anytime AusPost deliver a parcel they want you to rate their performance. I ignore these requests, for goodness sake how do you rate that? They delivered a parcel, it's what they do.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Just had 1st pfizer shot at the Austin, now waiting the required half hour.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Mouse 1:  'Have you had your vaccine yet?'

Mouse 2:   'No, they are still testing it on humans!'
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Mouse 1:  'Have you had your vaccine yet?'

Mouse 2:   'No, they are still testing it on humans!'
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Ultimately defeated by a range of factors including privacy concerns, by comparison we now (mostly) abide by regulations that show governments who we are and where we are via QR scans without a second thought.
I always give it a second thought.  But then I'm paranoid, and should realise if I've done nothing wrong then I've nothing to fear.
djf01
You don't have to have done anything wrong to be frightened of what they're capable of - you just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Ultimately defeated by a range of factors including privacy concerns, by comparison we now (mostly) abide by regulations that show governments who we are and where we are via QR scans without a second thought.

I always give it a second thought.  But then I'm paranoid, and should realise if I've done nothing wrong then I've nothing to fear.
djf01
Don't bank on it.

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