The corona virus COVID-19

 
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Don't bank on it.
"YM-Mundrabilla"

I find banking very hard without proving my identity, giving them personal details I'd rather they didn't share/sell.  Maybe I should try it with a balaclava.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Read this thread.  The Vic Govt are a pack of moronic tyrants:
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Ultimately defeated by a range of factors including privacy concerns, by comparison we now (mostly) abide by regulations that show governments who we are and where we are via QR scans without a second thought.
I always give it a second thought.  But then I'm paranoid, and should realise if I've done nothing wrong then I've nothing to fear.
You don't have to have done anything wrong to be frightened of what they're capable of - you just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
don_dunstan
I find it like police brutality or similar claims.

Strangely over the last 30 years the only people I've ever met (including friends and rels) who dislike the police and make claims of how bad they treat people are people who have surprise surprise, been convicted of a crime, often more than once and often done time.

Meanwhile the vast bulk of the people who are law abiding generally don't have too much negative to say about the police.

If their a correlation between people's belief on how bad the police are treating people and the number of criminal records you have?
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Rubbish I've known many people that have had no criminal history whom have been harassed by police. Especially the rum Corps
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I find it like police brutality or similar claims.

Strangely over the last 30 years the only people I've ever met (including friends and rels) who dislike the police and make claims of how bad they treat people are people who have surprise surprise, been convicted of a crime, often more than once and often done time.

Meanwhile the vast bulk of the people who are law abiding generally don't have too much negative to say about the police.

If their a correlation between people's belief on how bad the police are treating people and the number of criminal records you have?
RTT_Rules
So it hasn't happened to you therefore its wrong. Right?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Rubbish I've known many people that have had no criminal history whom have been harassed by police. Especially the rum Corps
doyle
You must be very old.

If they have no criminal history in likely 99% of cases its only because they have yet to be caught.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I find it like police brutality or similar claims.

Strangely over the last 30 years the only people I've ever met (including friends and rels) who dislike the police and make claims of how bad they treat people are people who have surprise surprise, been convicted of a crime, often more than once and often done time.

Meanwhile the vast bulk of the people who are law abiding generally don't have too much negative to say about the police.

If their a correlation between people's belief on how bad the police are treating people and the number of criminal records you have?
So it hasn't happened to you therefore its wrong. Right?
don_dunstan
Its a guide not a rule and I didn't say just me,  I said my extended family and friends and yes some of them have been on the wrong side of the law, but I think most people would tend to agree that with only minor exceptions generally those who have problems with the police is because they have good reason.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So it hasn't happened to you therefore its wrong. Right?
Its a guide not a rule and I didn't say just me,  I said my extended family and friends and yes some of them have been on the wrong side of the law, but I think most people would tend to agree that with only minor exceptions generally those who have problems with the police is because they have good reason.
RTT_Rules
I get it. It hasn't happened to you so you or your immediate social circle so you can't conceive of why people who have done nothing wrong would be harassed by the police.

Right?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'd imagine that if they didn't actually have body-cam footage of what this officer had done that he'd plead the old 'resisting arrest' and 'justified force' line about his victims - IN Daily;

SA Police said they have suspended the officer after an investigation allegedly uncovered four different incidents that occurred between August and December 2020.

The officer has been charged with three counts of aggravated assault causing harm and two counts of aggravated assault.

The officer, whose age and identity have not been revealed, will appear before the court next Monday.

Apparently the officer concerned has given several of his victims a right old beating for no reason. Yet according to you, RTT_Rules, this sort of thing doesn't happen.

Right?
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The rum corps changed uniforms from red to blue many years ago, same package,

I remember the nsw police in the 70' really nice guys...

Imagine walking down platform 17 at central while they drag while bashing a person from a train then proceed to arrest several onlookers because they were watching the brutality, one of many stories, if only we had mobile phones back then.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The TGA has released findings of investigations into 272 deaths that occured after administration of COVID vaccines - the link is here.

Summary:

The most frequently reported suspected side effects associated with Comirnaty (Pfizer) and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines continue to be events that were seen in the clinical trials, and are commonly experienced with vaccines generally.

Seven additional cases of blood clots with low blood platelets have been assessed as thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) likely to be linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine. Sadly, in one of these cases the patient has died, and we extend our sincerest condolences to her family.

This brings the total number of confirmed and probable TTS cases in Australia to 48. When assessed using the United Kingdom (UK) case definition, 35 cases were confirmed and 13 were deemed probable TTS.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The rum corps changed uniforms from red to blue many years ago, same package,

I remember the nsw police in the 70' really nice guys...

Imagine walking down platform 17 at central while they drag while bashing a person from a train then proceed to arrest several onlookers because they were watching the brutality, one of many stories, if only we had mobile phones back then.
doyle
I've been witness to the Rozzers giving people some pretty rough treatment but in most instances they seemed to deserve it.

One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen was two ticket inspectors in Melbourne late 2000's body-slamming a young girl to the ground because she gave them a bit of lip - totally unjustified to the casual observer - and then threatening passers by who stopped to ask if the girl was okay. Same sort of story as your observation on the NSW jacks doing the same at Central Station Sydney - very questionable and very public behaviour.

One good thing about mobile phones turning into the video cameras in everyone's pockets, that sort of sh*tty behavior from law enforcement is much harder for them to get away with unless they can prove beyond doubt that the force was justified.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

My personal favourite, friends and I were at the hungry spot on Walcott St Mount Lawley WA, a known cop burger joint when one mate was a bit loud not out of control just rowdy, was taken away in cop car driven to Northam was told to keep walking east, his only crime was that he was from the east. we all met in Kalgoorlie the next day caught the Indian to Port Augusta, I went to Adelaide I spent the next 25 odd years living in Adelaide
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
My personal favourite is the footage taken by Darnella Frazier which led to the conviction of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yep, in the 1980s and 90s in Melbourne it was quite normal for crims to be booted from moving cop cars and also given the 'Telstra White Pages' rough up...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The Andrews government is secretly negotiating with upper house cross-benchers to ensure that they can have permanent 'state of emergency' law bought into Victoria allowing the police to have unprecedented powers to stop, search and arrest anyone more than five kilometers from home: Fairfax/Nine:

The Age can reveal the government is designing the new laws to cover all future pandemics, not just the coronavirus pandemic. It is intended that they will be in place by December, when the current state of emergency provisions expire, and a first draft is expected within the next two months.

The pandemic legislation will be permanently shaped by the demands of three upper-house crossbenchers: Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick, Reason Party MP Fiona Patten and Greens leader Samantha Ratnam...

...The three crossbenchers promised their votes on the condition that new, more targeted laws would be drawn up with a particular focus on preventing the recurrence of incidents of the past 16 months that they viewed as government overreach, such as the snap lockdown of nine public housing towers last year.

In an unconventional move that has infuriated the Coalition and other crossbenchers, the Health Department is negotiating the new legislation with only Mr Meddick, Ms Patten and the Greens, and has held a series of meetings with them behind closed doors in recent weeks.

“If you didn’t vote for it in March, you didn’t get a seat at the table,” said one source familiar with the discussions.

Strengthening the crossbenchers’ power is the fact that if one were to pull out of negotiations because their demands were not met, the government would be back to square one in its attempts to pass powers that are integral to managing the coronavirus pandemic.

The Greens outlined a series of demands at a meeting with senior Health Department officials on Tuesday. Most radical was a request for police to report the racial identity of every person they stop during a pandemic.

In response to questions from The Age, Greens health spokesman Tim Read said the change would “make transparent any bias or racism among their [police] ranks”, similar to an initiative in the United Kingdom that has consistently proven that police more frequently stopped and searched black and Asian people than white people.

So the only concern that the cross-benchers have is that the police will exceed their power to persecute people of different races? What about the fact that the general public will have to show ID and prove that they're more than five kilometers from home for a legitimate reason - doesn't that worry them in the least?

Sleepwalking into a highly controlled and monitored police-state. What could possibly go wrong!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I have zero respect for those crossbenchers.  I put them in the same league as the DDR's Erich Honecker and HK's Carrie Lam...

History should and will judge them harshly.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'd imagine that if they didn't actually have body-cam footage of what this officer had done that he'd plead the old 'resisting arrest' and 'justified force' line about his victims - IN Daily;

SA Police said they have suspended the officer after an investigation allegedly uncovered four different incidents that occurred between August and December 2020.

The officer has been charged with three counts of aggravated assault causing harm and two counts of aggravated assault.

The officer, whose age and identity have not been revealed, will appear before the court next Monday.

Apparently the officer concerned has given several of his victims a right old beating for no reason. Yet according to you, RTT_Rules, this sort of thing doesn't happen.

Right?
don_dunstan
We can pick out small remote isolated cases until the sun comes down, however we both know that as I said before, the vast majority of so called police brutality or police harassment cases are raised by those who are why we need a police force. Yes there are bad cops and there are cops having a bad day, but those who are generally respectful to others rarely have issues.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yep, in the 1980s and 90s in Melbourne it was quite normal for crims to be booted from moving cop cars and also given the 'Telstra White Pages' rough up...
Carnot
A number of my friends at school saw the back end of the White Pages, they deserved it and in most cases admitted at the time as well when bragging about it at school.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Happening on the daily to some degree

walled garden, sheltered life, rose coloured glasses, blinkered. whatever

We are all entitled to our beliefs
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'd imagine that if they didn't actually have body-cam footage of what this officer had done that he'd plead the old 'resisting arrest' and 'justified force' line about his victims - IN Daily;

SA Police said they have suspended the officer after an investigation allegedly uncovered four different incidents that occurred between August and December 2020.

The officer has been charged with three counts of aggravated assault causing harm and two counts of aggravated assault.

The officer, whose age and identity have not been revealed, will appear before the court next Monday.

Apparently the officer concerned has given several of his victims a right old beating for no reason. Yet according to you, RTT_Rules, this sort of thing doesn't happen.

Right?
We can pick out small remote isolated cases until the sun comes down, however we both know that as I said before, the vast majority of so called police brutality or police harassment cases are raised by those who are why we need a police force. Yes there are bad cops and there are cops having a bad day, but those who are generally respectful to others rarely have issues.
RTT_Rules
The problem here is that you lack the grace to admit that you've made a broad generalisation that isn't supported by facts.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

This brings the total number of confirmed and probable TTS cases in Australia to 48. When assessed using the United Kingdom (UK) case definition, 35 cases were confirmed and 13 were deemed probable TTS.
don_dunstan
Around 1B people have been vaccinated globally so far, unfortunately a few people may have died from the jab, yes vaccines are not perfect.

However from the same 1B people, how many would die from natural causes just during the time it would take to read the news article?

What we know is that if 1B people get CV, then based on medical intervention we have today, 20 - 30 million would still die and up to 50 million would suffer from CV long for up to 6 mths and some of these people would suffer life changing consequences.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Alright maybe that was bit harsh - but you very much strike me as the kind of bloke who needs to see something in action for himself before he changes his mind.

I'm just pretty cynical and aware. One thing I learned from my time working in the criminal justice system is that you should always be polite and super-compliant with them but don't give them too much information. You could be witness to a crime and then they use the information you gave them later on to implicate you and/or get you to change your evidence. A favorite tactic against people they don't like is saying you gave them a false name (pretend you did that deliberately) and then saying you resisted arrest... if there's something about you that particular officer doesn't like they can easily ping you for this and that's often their go-to. Maybe harder now-days with body-cam in operation but still.

Always be cautious when dealing with those extremely powerful people is all I'm saying - you could find yourself on their wrong side for no reason and experience their wrath. Yes, even you.
Around 1B people have been vaccinated globally so far, unfortunately a few people may have died from the jab, yes vaccines are not perfect. However from the same 1B people, how many would die from natural causes just during the time it would take to read the news article? What we know is that if 1B people get CV, then based on medical intervention we have today, 20 - 30 million would still die and up to 50 million would suffer from CV long for up to 6 mths and some of these people would suffer life changing consequences.
RTT_Rules
I don't disagree with you entirely on COVID19 - but there's still a lot of unknowns about the various vaccines and their long term use.

What happens if COVID19 vaccines need boosters every year for the rest of your life, what will the longer term affects of that be? What happens if another COVID variant pops up next year and we all need to take multiple variants of vaccines to cover ourselves? The 'delta' variant is proving resistant to vaccines in the UK - what happens if we end up needing to have multiple shots?

I'm concerned that there's a willingness on the part of the medical authorities to overlook any adverse reactions in the belief that the 'greater good' is more important. We should have all the information - good and bad.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Alright maybe that was bit harsh - but you very much strike me as the kind of bloke who needs to see something in action for himself before he changes his mind.

I'm just pretty cynical and aware. One thing I learned from my time working in the criminal justice system is that you should always be polite and super-compliant with them but don't give them too much information. You could be witness to a crime and then they use the information you gave them later on to implicate you and/or get you to change your evidence. A favorite tactic against people they don't like is saying you gave them a false name (pretend you did that deliberately) and then saying you resisted arrest... if there's something about you that particular officer doesn't like they can easily ping you for this and that's often their go-to. Maybe harder now-days with body-cam in operation but still.

Always be cautious when dealing with those extremely powerful people is all I'm saying - you could find yourself on their wrong side for no reason and experience their wrath. Yes, even you.
Around 1B people have been vaccinated globally so far, unfortunately a few people may have died from the jab, yes vaccines are not perfect. However from the same 1B people, how many would die from natural causes just during the time it would take to read the news article? What we know is that if 1B people get CV, then based on medical intervention we have today, 20 - 30 million would still die and up to 50 million would suffer from CV long for up to 6 mths and some of these people would suffer life changing consequences.
I don't disagree with you entirely on COVID19 - but there's still a lot of unknowns about the various vaccines and their long term use.

What happens if COVID19 vaccines need boosters every year for the rest of your life, what will the longer term affects of that be? What happens if another COVID variant pops up next year and we all need to take multiple variants of vaccines to cover ourselves? The 'delta' variant is proving resistant to vaccines in the UK - what happens if we end up needing to have multiple shots?

I'm concerned that there's a willingness on the part of the medical authorities to overlook any adverse reactions in the belief that the 'greater good' is more important. We should have all the information - good and bad.
don_dunstan
Cops
99% of the time I believe that from my own life's experience and that of many people I know both in and out of Aust if you are respectful to the cop or other in charge (applies to anything) then things will work out ok. Running of with your mouth, spitting or being physical is not respectful, however some people seem to think it will solve the problem that more often than not they may have actually caused.

I've seen all the video's of black's in the US being "targeted" by police, yes I don't agree with it and I'm sure it pi$$es them off and unfortunately through frustration some of them become an ar$ehole to the cops and it goes down hill from there.

I was also young once, driving an old car, not quite cop bait, but close enough. Back then, I always got out to to approach the cop car (back when you were allowed), surprise I never paid the full speeding fine (I got alot). It was always down graded, especially in Tas if the cop didn't have to get out in the cold. They often say, ok since you acknowledge your mistake and have been nice, I'll make it 1 pt  and $$$. I was well into my 30's when I got my first full speeding fine.

I said before, I know there are bad cops and there are good cops having a bad day, but coming out with attitude will never make the situation better. Some of my friends both adult and kid used to lead with attitude, if not physical and surprise the outcome never ended well.

Vaccine
yearly is not likely, its a certainty. No if's or buts and Pfizer has stated as much as have others.

The CV-19 is from the Corona family, no single once off vaccine has been developed prior to now, so it won't magically happen now. Most of the vaccines are built on existing technology so nothing new, ironically these ones less effective than the newer technology vaccines. For now the risk of not taking varies depending on your personal situation, but as Australia is full of obese people with diabetes, asthma and god knows what other lifestyle induced health issue, expect there to be carnage should the bug be fully exposed to the community.

No one should be forced to take the Vax, but you should sign a wavier to say you will cover your own medical expenses, both public and private. I don't see why the rest of should pay for your choice.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Alright maybe that was bit harsh - but you very much strike me as the kind of bloke who needs to see something in action for himself before he changes his mind.

I'm just pretty cynical and aware. One thing I learned from my time working in the criminal justice system is that you should always be polite and super-compliant with them but don't give them too much information. You could be witness to a crime and then they use the information you gave them later on to implicate you and/or get you to change your evidence. A favorite tactic against people they don't like is saying you gave them a false name (pretend you did that deliberately) and then saying you resisted arrest... if there's something about you that particular officer doesn't like they can easily ping you for this and that's often their go-to. Maybe harder now-days with body-cam in operation but still.

Always be cautious when dealing with those extremely powerful people is all I'm saying - you could find yourself on their wrong side for no reason and experience their wrath. Yes, even you.
Around 1B people have been vaccinated globally so far, unfortunately a few people may have died from the jab, yes vaccines are not perfect. However from the same 1B people, how many would die from natural causes just during the time it would take to read the news article? What we know is that if 1B people get CV, then based on medical intervention we have today, 20 - 30 million would still die and up to 50 million would suffer from CV long for up to 6 mths and some of these people would suffer life changing consequences.
I don't disagree with you entirely on COVID19 - but there's still a lot of unknowns about the various vaccines and their long term use.

What happens if COVID19 vaccines need boosters every year for the rest of your life, what will the longer term affects of that be? What happens if another COVID variant pops up next year and we all need to take multiple variants of vaccines to cover ourselves? The 'delta' variant is proving resistant to vaccines in the UK - what happens if we end up needing to have multiple shots?

I'm concerned that there's a willingness on the part of the medical authorities to overlook any adverse reactions in the belief that the 'greater good' is more important. We should have all the information - good and bad.
Cops
99% of the time I believe that from my own life's experience and that of many people I know both in and out of Aust if you are respectful to the cop or other in charge (applies to anything) then things will work out ok. Running of with your mouth, spitting or being physical is not respectful, however some people seem to think it will solve the problem that more often than not they may have actually caused.

I've seen all the video's of black's in the US being "targeted" by police, yes I don't agree with it and I'm sure it pi$$es them off and unfortunately through frustration some of them become an ar$ehole to the cops and it goes down hill from there.

I was also young once, driving an old car, not quite cop bait, but close enough. Back then, I always got out to to approach the cop car (back when you were allowed), surprise I never paid the full speeding fine (I got alot). It was always down graded, especially in Tas if the cop didn't have to get out in the cold. They often say, ok since you acknowledge your mistake and have been nice, I'll make it 1 pt  and $$$. I was well into my 30's when I got my first full speeding fine.

I said before, I know there are bad cops and there are good cops having a bad day, but coming out with attitude will never make the situation better. Some of my friends both adult and kid used to lead with attitude, if not physical and surprise the outcome never ended well.

Vaccine
yearly is not likely, its a certainty. No if's or buts and Pfizer has stated as much as have others.

The CV-19 is from the Corona family, no single once off vaccine has been developed prior to now, so it won't magically happen now. Most of the vaccines are built on existing technology so nothing new, ironically these ones less effective than the newer technology vaccines. For now the risk of not taking varies depending on your personal situation, but as Australia is full of obese people with diabetes, asthma and god knows what other lifestyle induced health issue, expect there to be carnage should the bug be fully exposed to the community.

No one should be forced to take the Vax, but you should sign a wavier to say you will cover your own medical expenses, both public and private. I don't see why the rest of should pay for your choice.
RTT_Rules
The same could be said about many other "lifestyle choices" like smoking and illicit drugs etc. Unfortunately that is yet to happen and everyone pays.

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