The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Divine3801 Station Master

NSW will be staying at home for all of August at this rate.

I think the NSW Gvt has given up trying to stop it.  They are going to try an "manage" it - as if they can.

I suspect we'll have a "live with COVID" type partial easing of restrictions next week, and we'll be in semi-lockdown until the hospital system collapses.
djf01


If that's going to be the case, the state borders around NSW are going to be very paranoid. Queensland is shutting their borders to all of NSW by Friday 23rd July 1a.m. They have to manage the grave risk of their hotel quarantine too.

The vaccines being flown in are going to have to concentrate their bulk on NSW as the only way out.

Then there is the very fragile zero community transmissions to maintain, in other states.

Also have the NSW press conferences referenced any COVID caused/related deaths in the past two days? Unless I have missed it, the news haven't appeared to have elaborated on any.

If there aren't any, at the very least, NSW may be starting to manage it. The case numbers will prolong through the weeks, but as long as deaths are prevented, then that is a hopeful sign. It's when the deaths start happening and start increasing, that's where the state is officially losing control, especially when it starts reaching Victoria's 800 Alpha deaths with the Delta ripping into NSW right now.

It's well known how deaths can start rising at this stage. So I am being very optimistic it wont start coming in higher numbers.

If hospitals become very overwhelmed with cases, then the more likely we will scenes where masses of the population are desperate for oxygen and are out on the streets looking for oxygen tanks to take home for their sick, dying members of their households.


The big worry I have is the potential for it to mutate here into another form that is capable of becoming even more resistant to vaccines.


Given how this has gone and likely to continue, I wonder if there will be enough outrage against the Prime Minister's failure at vaccines and refusal to administer quarantine will even materialize, and end up triggering a leadership spill. It doesn't seem likely given the mainstream media environment and how the PM is carefully managing his approach. He has a lot of experience in managing perception and thus is very strategic in deflection.

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  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
AZ works well in the UK against Delta strain too:

It's going to be very interesting to see how the UK pans out over the next couple of months.
djf01
Hearing whispers of back to lockdown in potentially less than a month after the supposed "Freedom Day"
  303gunner Junior Train Controller
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Fully vaccinated with 2 shots of mRNA vaccine:

https://au.yahoo.com/news/aussie-influencer-spreads-delta-strain-la-party-080422971.html
303gunner
At least if he gets mental impairment from Long Covid, no-one will notice.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

136 new cases in NSW.  They've just flattened the curve but I honestly doubt Covid-zero is achievable with Delta at these numbers in that environment.

Vic seem to be getting it under control.  Just.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

136 new cases in NSW.  They've just flattened the curve but I honestly doubt Covid-zero is achievable with Delta at these numbers in that environment.

Vic seem to be getting it under control.  Just.
Carnot
Because they can't get the job done in NSW they now want to hog even more vaccine than they already are. About 80% of the latest Pfizer shipment already went to NSW.

There is no way out of this this year unless everyone is opened up to Astra Zenica without a GP visit and Pfizer is totally ruled out as an option for the over 60s so they don't "wait for Pfizer."

We are already sacrificing so much for the over 60s, they shouldn't have the option of picking and choosing vaccines.

"Waiting for Pfizer" is part of the problem here. The UK is all-in on AZ and it isn't causing them any issues.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
136 new cases in NSW.  They've just flattened the curve but I honestly doubt Covid-zero is achievable with Delta at these numbers in that environment.

Vic seem to be getting it under control.  Just.
Carnot

53 (at least) infectious in the community and they've had another death from it.

Unless they lock the whole city down and start reducing that number of people infectious in the community this thing is jusdt going to keep spiralling out. Melbourne tried ring-fencing it last year and failed, the lessons were there and not heeded.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

136 new cases in NSW.  They've just flattened the curve but I honestly doubt Covid-zero is achievable with Delta at these numbers in that environment.

Vic seem to be getting it under control.  Just.
Carnot

NSW's lockdown is half arsed, which is why it's not working.  Bunnings are open for face to face retail.  Macdonalds are open.  Everyone who works there are "essential".  Everyone can go shopping in person every day.  Schools are open for childminding of kids of essential workers, so al lthe teachers are at work.

It's not hard to fix (OK, it's hard, but it's not impossible), they just don't want to do it.

The result will be ever tightening restrictions.

I'm sure at some point the "let it rip" crowd will gain sway, and we'll have 6-8 weeks of "normal" (just no BBQs or family visits), then we'll be back in lockdown after the hospital system collapses.

Realistically, restrictions can't be lifted until Feb next year, and that requires us to implement a sensible vaccination program.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm sure at some point the "let it rip" crowd will gain sway, and we'll have 6-8 weeks of "normal" (just no BBQs or family visits), then we'll be back in lockdown after the hospital system collapses.
djf01
This is pure alarmism.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I'm sure at some point the "let it rip" crowd will gain sway, and we'll have 6-8 weeks of "normal" (just no BBQs or family visits), then we'll be back in lockdown after the hospital system collapses.
This is pure alarmism.
don_dunstan
Hospital system wont collapse, but I know people who work in the NHS in the UK and people definitely died at the peaks of the waves because of sheer lack of capacity. The more people in the wards because of COVID also means less room for people with other medical emergencies.

The hospitals are already close to capacity during non-COVID times.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

If there is spread in food processing workplaces as now being claimed they need to move to a 2/3 workforce quota with FULL PPE...N95, face shields, gloves, etc like was done in some high risk food processing plants in Victoria.

5km radius is needed RIGHT NOW.

I hate to say it but as there is transmission between families...I think they also need to adopt an 8PM-5AM curfew.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
At some stage we have to get back on with our lives - the total cost of this thing (just in government money) is going to end up at least half a trillion dollars. We could have had generational infrastructure change with that kind of money.

We need to stop throwing good money after bad and admit that we can't contain it forever.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Just a reminder here...ALL of Victoria currently has a harder lockdown than they have in Greater Sydney.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Just a reminder here...ALL of Victoria currently has a harder lockdown than they have in Greater Sydney.
Mr. Lane
And Victoria might just have their nose a bee s doodle in front of the virus. So we have to stick at it.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

At some stage we have to get back on with our lives - the total cost of this thing (just in government money) is going to end up at least half a trillion dollars. We could have had generational infrastructure change with that kind of money.

We need to stop throwing good money after bad and admit that we can't contain it forever.
don_dunstan
Yes Don, but we can't do it just yet, the people won't tolerate it. It is clear the country as a whole isn't on board with you. I realised this and changed my stance to getting through the hard period of lockdowns and minimising the health damage with a view to hanging out for the vaccines, because I realised people weren't going to listen to the counter arguments and many of your arguments are valid.

Remember the economy exists to serve the people...not the other way around and as we discussed before the economies settings are currently designed to screw the next generation to benefit the boomers and this started 20 years before COVID. The COVID response I think is a symptom of a much bigger imbalance and wonky set of priorities at a much broader levels nationally and even internationally.

If I was a dictator in charge now I would make it mandatory for all people over 65 to get Astra Zeneca otherwise they lose all government benefits...I might even ban them from being able to leave their home. 50 and over should only get Astra Zeneca and under can choose whatever they want.

Also if I was dictator I would have a palace with a staff of 100 personally selected young ladies to carry out any duties I deem necessary.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

At some stage we have to get back on with our lives - the total cost of this thing (just in government money) is going to end up at least half a trillion dollars. We could have had generational infrastructure change with that kind of money.

We need to stop throwing good money after bad and admit that we can't contain it forever.
Yes Don, but we can't do it just yet, the people won't tolerate it. It is clear the country as a whole isn't on board with you. I realised this and changed my stance to getting through the hard period of lockdowns and minimising the health damage with a view to hanging out for the vaccines, because I realised people weren't going to listen to the counter arguments and many of your arguments are valid.

Remember the economy exists to serve the people...not the other way around and as we discussed before the economies settings are currently designed to screw the next generation to benefit the boomers and this started 20 years before COVID. The COVID response I think is a symptom of a much bigger imbalance and wonky set of priorities at a much broader levels nationally and even internationally.

If I was a dictator in charge now I would make it mandatory for all people over 65 to get Astra Zeneca otherwise they lose all government benefits...I might even ban them from being able to leave their home. 50 and over should only get Astra Zeneca and under can choose whatever they want.

Also if I was dictator I would have a palace with a staff of 100 personally selected young ladies to carry out any duties I deem necessary.
Mr. Lane
Which is why I think Macron's approach in France makes a lot of sense.  Too much selfish individualism and not enough solidarity in this country at present.  Just look at the DailyMail comments section and despair...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
We are already sacrificing so much for the over 60s, they shouldn't have the option of picking and choosing vaccines.
Mr.Lane"
As one of the over 60's, I am very grateful for the sacrifices you've made - or I would be if I knew what they are. I am due, with your permission, for my second Astra Zeneca jab in 10 days. I will try very hard to avoid any unfortunate side effects, because I would not wish to burden you any further by having medical treatment better reserved for people who are younger.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
NAB Chief Ross McEwan wants Australians to get vaccinated in order to protect his bank from the wave of defaults waiting for them on the other side of this thing (?) ABC;

The National Australia Bank's latest consumer stress index, released today, reveals households are becoming more anxious about paying their mortgage and funding retirement nest eggs, while those on lower incomes are struggling just to pay the rent.

NAB chief executive Ross McEwan told AM that volumes of calls from distressed customers have risen 40 per cent this week (up from 10 per cent last week).

"The longer the lock-downs go on obviously the more people it impacts along with their financial buffers," Mr McEwan said.

"The big thing they're worried about is their ability to pay their mortgage, even things like their credit card or personal loans. If it's a business, they need some financial buffers to help staff through this.

"Let's be quite clear, this lock-down hurts. That's why we want people to call us early so that we can intervene with them and then put in place a some sort of arrangement."...

...Mr McEwan said despite the mortgage stress during the pandemic, the bank had held back from foreclosing on loans in default or at risk of default.

"We've had no foreclosures of a single homeowner impacted by COVID over the last ... 14 months," Mr McEwan said.

"Our intention is to keep homeowners in their homes as much as we possibly can and work with them."

"It does come down to getting as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. That is the answer to getting back to what will be normal life after COVID."

So they haven't foreclosed on any non-performing mortgage in fourteen months? That's really quite bad, that means there's people out there who are sitting in homes that they can't afford and are not paying off and the bank has done nothing about it - irresponsible in the extreme. I can smell a sneaky government bail-out of the banks coming up in the next twelve months; give us money or we'll start turfing people out of their homes and simultaneously put downward pressure on the property market.

Why stop at $1.5 trillion in debt - why not four or five trillion? I mean, it can't possibly be paid off now (even Treasury admitted this in the Inter-generational Report recently) so why not just go full Japan and borrow money to keep the banks and the stock-market liquid after the lock-downs are over (if that ever happens...).
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
We are already sacrificing so much for the over 60s, they shouldn't have the option of picking and choosing vaccines.
As one of the over 60's, I am very grateful for the sacrifices you've made - or I would be if I knew what they are. I am due, with your permission, for my second Astra Zeneca jab in 10 days. I will try very hard to avoid any unfortunate side effects, because I would not wish to burden you any further by having medical treatment better reserved for people who are younger.
Valvegear
The young were already screwed in this country as a matter of policy - nil wages growth for nigh on ten years, the price of labour constantly going down, combined with among the most un-affordable homes in the world (Sydney and Melbourne are more expensive than Manhattan and London). So we add to that the cost of a debt burden that is growing so fast it will overwhelm our capacity to repay it IF and WHEN interest rates return to historical norms of 6-7%.

It's the young and the working class who have overwhelmingly paid the price to protect the elderly from this virus because they're often in unstable jobs to begin with and mostly don't have the option to 'work from home' - people on fixed incomes (retirees), Centrelink beneficiaries and public servants have hardly made any sacrifices at all in comparison - in fact in Victoria they got wage rises that were in excess of inflation.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

If I was a dictator in charge now I would make it mandatory for all people over 65 to get Astra Zeneca otherwise they lose all government benefits...I might even ban them from being able to leave their home. 50 and over should only get Astra Zeneca and under can choose whatever they want.

Also if I was dictator I would have a palace with a staff of 100 personally selected young ladies to carry out any duties I deem necessary.
Mr. Lane

I take it you are under 50?

AZ has issues, the most significant being it takes 14 weeks to work properly and provides negligible benefit against Delta in the mean time.

If I were the dictator I'd nationalise CSL and have them spitting out 5mil doses of Pfizer a week by the end of Augusts.

But I'd settle for only 10 handmaidens, with very relaxed dress requirements.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

We are already sacrificing so much for the over 60s, they shouldn't have the option of picking and choosing vaccines.
As one of the over 60's, I am very grateful for the sacrifices you've made - or I would be if I knew what they are. I am due, with your permission, for my second Astra Zeneca jab in 10 days. I will try very hard to avoid any unfortunate side effects, because I would not wish to burden you any further by having medical treatment better reserved for people who are younger.
Valvegear

Permission granted.

There are a LOT of over 60s who are not willing to take one for the national benefit and I know them personally. I also know people in my age cohort who haven't had stable work for 18 months, have put their education on hold and have tried to start businesses but have ended up being closed as much as they are open.

Too much I hear from the boomers the equivalent of:

"It's a global pandemic, we (meaning the young) have to make sacrifices...but I (boomer) expect to pick and choose exactly what vaccine I should be able to get. I shouldn't have to take the AZ if its not good enough for the young."

Or...

"We as a community have to stay locked down as long as it takes to stay safe...the lockdown and rules haven't really affected us much as we are retired and have a big backyard and plenty of space."
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Hearing whispers of back to lockdown in potentially less than a month after the supposed "Freedom Day"
speedemon08
Friends in London are off an a camping trip this weekend... Rolling Eyes
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
New South Wales reported 136 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 and one death, on Friday in the 24 hours to 8 pm on Thursday.

Of the new cases, 77 are linked to previously confirmed cases or clusters. All of Greater Sydney, including Wollongong, Central Coast and the Blue Mountains entered a lockdown on June 26 which will remain until at least July 30.

Stay-at-home orders have also been introduced in the Orange City Council, Blayney Shire Council and Cabonne Shire Council areas until 12:01 am on July 28.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There's still no proper recording of 'adverse vaccine events' in the United States - Dr Jane Orient, Executive Director of the American Association of Surgeons and Physicians has called out the practice of not recording potential vaccine deaths by conducting an autopsy here;

Thousands of healthy people are dying unexpectedly, but our public health agencies are assuring us that their deaths were not caused by the COVID jab. The toll of post-vaccine deaths has reached nearly 7,000, according to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). It’s the best system we’ve got, even though it misses 90% or more of the actual events.

A 45-year-old mother just died of heart issues and brain swelling, shortly after getting the COVID shot required before she could begin her job at Johns Hopkins University. There will be tears and flowers, but probably no autopsy – and no pause in the shots demanded for mothers and potential mothers if they want to work at JHU.

The most important reason [for an autopsy] was that the “altar of truth” was the ultimate “quality assurance” mechanism. Hospitals were required to perform autopsies on a certain proportion of decedents in order to maintain their accreditation. A classic study of 100 randomly selected autopsies from each of three years (1960, 1970 and 1980) revealed that major diagnoses had been missed in about 22% of cases in all three eras, despite the introduction of modern imaging methods.

Unfortunately, autopsy rates have fallen from 25% to less than 5% over the past four decades. It never was a revenue producer for anyone except malpractice attorneys...

...If a person dies after a COVID jab, I would like to know whether there are spike proteins in the tissues and blood vessels, and whether there was an immunological reaction that was damaging those tissues. If a mother loses a baby, I would like to see a thorough examination of the placenta. Was the baby’s oxygen and nutrition cut off because of damaged blood vessels?

I find it shocking that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Joint Commission that accredits hospitals are not demanding autopsies or testing of vaccine samples. It is not possible to declare a product safe and effective without obtaining direct evidence from potential victims.

The manufacturers are protected against product liability, thanks to Congress. But where is the accountability of the government agencies charged with protecting us, or of the private entities coercing employees or students to take an experimental, potentially dangerous, or even lethal product?

Nobody wants the public to know the true extent of adverse reactions to the vaccine is the answer.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I'm sure at some point the "let it rip" crowd will gain sway, and we'll have 6-8 weeks of "normal" (just no BBQs or family visits), then we'll be back in lockdown after the hospital system collapses.
This is pure alarmism.
don_dunstan
It's the inevitable outcome of the policy you advocate.

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