The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
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Carnot
I don't understand why Sky does not get rid of him altogether, he's past his time!!!

I think the most recent sharp rise in infections in Sydney is down to last weekend's Illegal protest on the streets of Sydney, if you looked carefully, a few days afterwards the case numbers rose steeply and they are still rising steeply, thanks for nothing protestor's.!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Also interesting to note that a CDC study done of five million cases of COVID19 in the United States found that the number one risk factor determining whether or not you'll survive the infection is obesity; and that 98% of all fatalities had at least two co-morbid factors (ie over 85 years of age, obesity, immune system issues or respiratory issues like emphysema).

So young, healthy people with a normal weight range generally don't die from COVID19.
It's not all about young people dying, it's about the health system becoming overburden and overrun, hospitals are being stretched to the brink in Sydney with Covid patients right now.
lsrailfan
I find it pretty had to believe they're 'over-run' with these relatively low case numbers, how would Sydney have coped with a UK style outbreak?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Also interesting to note that a CDC study done of five million cases of COVID19 in the United States found that the number one risk factor determining whether or not you'll survive the infection is obesity; and that 98% of all fatalities had at least two co-morbid factors (ie over 85 years of age, obesity, immune system issues or respiratory issues like emphysema).

So young, healthy people with a normal weight range generally don't die from COVID19.
It's not all about young people dying, it's about the health system becoming overburden and overrun, hospitals are being stretched to the brink in Sydney with Covid patients right now.
I find it pretty had to believe they're 'over-run' with these relatively low case numbers, how would Sydney have coped with a UK style outbreak?
don_dunstan
Not very well, apparently, every time a Covid patient is presented at a hospital, those that are treating that patient have to take time off as well for isolation purposes.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
I've been thinking lately about the protests against the lockdowns (and apparently, anything else) we saw last weekend and the subsequent timid re-attempts this weekend.

Living in a democracy dictates that we are free to protest. I don't believe that it is unfair to compare the recent protests and the BLM protests in Australia from a year or so ago.

The way I see it, although the virus itself is the enemy, the recent anti-lockdown protests attracted people who are hurting due to the restrictions put upon them as a consequence of the virus as well as those who innately value their individual rights and freedoms above that of society as a whole - if not in person, then at least in sympathy. It is a protest against authority per se. Not happy with the government imposed restrictions or level of support, the protesters were trying to drag people down to their level in an attempt to uphold the rights of the individual instead of doing the right thing by their community.

The BLM protests clearly defined racism as the enemy. It attracted people that are both hurting from a culture that simply shouldn't exist, and people sympathetic to them. It was a protest against a percentage of law enforcement and/or government that judge books by their cover. In essence the protesters were trying to drag people up to their level in an attempt to create a more inclusive society.

I don't agree that the BLM protests here last year should have gone ahead during lockdowns, but at least sanitiser and masks were either provided or the use thereof encouraged, with majority compliance. The Delta strain was not in play back then either. By comparison, I am not confident that the protests last weekend in Sydney won't go down in history as a super-spreader event and it could result in at least 500 cases per day in NSW by the end of this week.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I've been thinking lately about the protests against the lockdowns (and apparently, anything else) we saw last weekend and the subsequent timid re-attempts this weekend.

Living in a democracy dictates that we are free to protest. I don't believe that it is unfair to compare the recent protests and the BLM protests in Australia from a year or so ago.

The way I see it, although the virus itself is the enemy, the recent anti-lockdown protests attracted people who are hurting due to the restrictions put upon them as a consequence of the virus as well as those who innately value their individual rights and freedoms above that of society as a whole - if not in person, then at least in sympathy. It is a protest against authority per se. Not happy with the government imposed restrictions or level of support, the protesters were trying to drag people down to their level in an attempt to uphold the rights of the individual instead of doing the right thing by their community.

The BLM protests clearly defined racism as the enemy. It attracted people that are both hurting from a culture that simply shouldn't exist, and people sympathetic to them. It was a protest against a percentage of law enforcement and/or government that judge books by their cover. In essence the protesters were trying to drag people up to their level in an attempt to create a more inclusive society.

I don't agree that the BLM protests here last year should have gone ahead during lockdowns, but at least sanitiser and masks were either provided or the use thereof encouraged, with majority compliance. The Delta strain was not in play back then either. By comparison, I am not confident that the protests last weekend in Sydney won't go down in history as a super-spreader event and it could result in at least 500 cases per day in NSW by the end of this week.
DirtyBallast
Absolutely!!, when you look at the case levels before the protest, they were stable, (around the low-medium 100's per day), a few day's after the protests the case numbers started shooting up, no doubt about it! the protests have caused the higher case numbers!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

600 anti-vaxxers arrested in Berlin yesterday at a big protest.

It'll be interesting to see what happens here in a few months time.

I think an extra Medicare levy should be slapped on those who refuse vaccination.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
What all of these protesters seem to ignore is that they are members of society. That society has laws and rules in place so that people can live in an orderly and safe manner.

How many of these protesters demand to drive on the wrong side of the road and ignore all traffic lights?
Some of us remember the introduction of compulsory seat belts - the protesters screamed blue murder until road deaths and serious injury numbers went down dramatically, and then they shut up.
Is it my right to go and belt one of them over the head and steal property? Obviously not.

The bottom line is that freedom means that you can do what you like within reason. What you do in private as consenting adults is nobody's business. Neither are your religious beliefs, voting intentions, sports you play et al. Freedom however, comes with responsibility to other members of the society in which you live, and that's where the protesters have it wrong.

If they want to ignore these responsibilities, OK - they no longer want to be responsible parts of society, so we let them do what they like, but we remove electricity, gas and water supplies from their homes, and forbid them to walk on our footpaths or drive on our roads. They don't want to help us, OK; we leave them to their own devices in their homes from which they may not emerge. Try that for size.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
And how many young people are in hospital in NSW WITH Covid right now Don, that is a rubbish argument that the young are making the sacrifices, not buying it!
lsrailfan
For example in NSW alone 6,177 people under 50 have tested positive to COVID19 since the start of the 'pandemic'. Do you know how many people under fifty have died of COVID19 in NSW?

One.

That's a death rate of people under 50 of 0.0016%.

Sorry Israilfan but clearly its the young doing the heavy lifting for a disease that they don't have to fear.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
600 anti-vaxxers arrested in Berlin yesterday at a big protest.

It'll be interesting to see what happens here in a few months time.

I think an extra Medicare levy should be slapped on those who refuse vaccination.
Carnot
What if the opposite turns out to be true? Imagine this conversation occuring in five years' time:

"When do you start treatment for your thyroid cancer?"

"Oh, I never had the vaccine"

"You lucky bastard".
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The state reported 207 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 on Sunday, with 105 of the new cases linked to a known case or cluster, according to NSW Health. A man in his 90s from southwest Sydney died of COVID-19 related causes, authorities said.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Serious question @ don_dunstan, if it IS actually "Bat Sniffles", (another slang term for just the Flu), how come nearly 50 people gathered at a wake in Pendle Hill caught the same virus??? if one person there just had the normal flu (bat sniffles), you would be looking at possibly roughly 5 or 6 catching it maybe, I'm not that good in that area, but I'm assuming that's correct.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
10 out of the 13 new cases in Queensland today are kids aged under 10:

COVID live updates: Majority of new Queensland cases aged under 10, NSW records another death - ABC News

Just sayin'.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

10 out of the 13 new cases in Queensland today are kids aged under 10:

COVID live updates: Majority of new Queensland cases aged under 10, NSW records another death - ABC News

Just sayin'.
DirtyBallast
Schools are safe, I can’t be any clearer.
Don’t remember who said that.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Schools were safe but the political spin... Umm health advice changed.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Did you know that the vaccine developed by Glaxo Smith Kline to treat SARS in 2009 (H1N1) gave people incurable narcolepsy? After years of denial and holding cases up in court, GSK has recently agreed to pay out the victims of their rushed, botched vaccine - discussed further in this Centre for Disease Control bulletin.

Now tell me again that we should have a hundred percent trust in these vaccines that have been rushed through and have not undergone proper clinical trials.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Serious question @ don_dunstan, if it IS actually "Bat Sniffles", (another slang term for just the Flu), how come nearly 50 people gathered at a wake in Pendle Hill caught the same virus??? if one person there just had the normal flu (bat sniffles), you would be looking at possibly roughly 5 or 6 catching it maybe, I'm not that good in that area, but I'm assuming that's correct.
lsrailfan
Contagious doesn't equal 'deadly', Israilfan.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper


https://youtu.be/cbYqVFGTQEQ

I think a separate quarantine facility at an airport like the one proposed at Jandakot is badly needed considering how disruptive any leakages from hotel quarantine are.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

10 out of the 13 new cases in Queensland today are kids aged under 10:

COVID live updates: Majority of new Queensland cases aged under 10, NSW records another death - ABC News

Just sayin'.
Schools are safe, I can’t be any clearer.
Don’t remember who said that.
michaelgm
IIRC correctly the quote from our almighty leader was "Kids aren't carriers."
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
199 local cases of community transmission today in NSW, at least 51 of those infectious whilst in the community, a big push from Glady's today, she wants 6 million doses of vaccine in arms by the end of August, currently this stands at 3.9 mill, make no mistake people, it has been proven that A-Z and Pfizer are both more than effective.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I've been trying to understand the mind of anti-Vaxxers and those who distrust governments (like Don).  I'm very pro-vax and I'm sick and tired of whacky myths pushed by the skeptics, but I think this thread by comedian Konstantin Kisin explains why there is so much vaccine hesitancy:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1422181544161128450.html
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
199 local cases of community transmission today in NSW, at least 51 of those infectious whilst in the community, a big push from Glady's today, she wants 6 million doses of vaccine in arms by the end of August, currently this stands at 3.9 mill, make no mistake people, it has been proven that A-Z and Pfizer are both more than effective.
lsrailfan
There are 53 people in ICU in NSW, 43 are unvaccinated, that tells you something.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

199 local cases of community transmission today in NSW, at least 51 of those infectious whilst in the community, a big push from Glady's today, she wants 6 million doses of vaccine in arms by the end of August, currently this stands at 3.9 mill, make no mistake people, it has been proven that A-Z and Pfizer are both more than effective.
There are 53 people in ICU in NSW, 43 are unvaccinated, that tells you something.
lsrailfan
This is the type of occurrence that really stresses the health system.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/sydney-news-westmead-staff-covid-19-case/100344196
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
199 local cases of community transmission today in NSW, at least 51 of those infectious whilst in the community, a big push from Glady's today, she wants 6 million doses of vaccine in arms by the end of August, currently this stands at 3.9 mill, make no mistake people, it has been proven that A-Z and Pfizer are both more than effective.
There are 53 people in ICU in NSW, 43 are unvaccinated, that tells you something.
lsrailfan

Would that 53 in ICU be the highest number in NSW since the pandemic started?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
199 local cases of community transmission today in NSW, at least 51 of those infectious whilst in the community, a big push from Glady's today, she wants 6 million doses of vaccine in arms by the end of August, currently this stands at 3.9 mill, make no mistake people, it has been proven that A-Z and Pfizer are both more than effective.
There are 53 people in ICU in NSW, 43 are unvaccinated, that tells you something.

Would that 53 in ICU be the highest number in NSW since the pandemic started?
bevans
I think it may have been one or 2 more.

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