The corona virus COVID-19

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hearing tonight on the news, the powers that be think that the Aussie population can be at 80% vaccinated by year's end, (providing that Aussies come forward in droves), that will not happen sadly, I think it will be struggling to be at 70% first dose by year's end, (sitting at 40% now).
lsrailfan
Is it really 80% of the Australian population (ie ~80% of ~25 million) or is 80% of the 'eligible population'?

'Eligible population' is not only an arbitrary figure but one which is easily manipulated.  

Politicians and the media never seem to differentiate between the two.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hearing tonight on the news, the powers that be think that the Aussie population can be at 80% vaccinated by year's end, (providing that Aussies come forward in droves), that will not happen sadly, I think it will be struggling to be at 70% first dose by year's end, (sitting at 40% now).
Is it really 80% of the Australian population (ie ~80% of ~25 million) or is 80% of the 'eligible population'?

'Eligible population' is not only an arbitrary figure but one which is easily manipulated.  

Politicians and the media never seem to differentiate between the two.
YM-Mundrabilla
I think because of Delta, it may be 80% of 25 million.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hearing tonight on the news, the powers that be think that the Aussie population can be at 80% vaccinated by year's end, (providing that Aussies come forward in droves), that will not happen sadly, I think it will be struggling to be at 70% first dose by year's end, (sitting at 40% now).
Is it really 80% of the Australian population (ie ~80% of ~25 million) or is 80% of the 'eligible population'?

'Eligible population' is not only an arbitrary figure but one which is easily manipulated.  

Politicians and the media never seem to differentiate between the two.
I think because of Delta, it may be 80% of 25 million.
lsrailfan
You MAY well be right but, in fact, who really knows for certain?
We cannot believe a word any of them says.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

https://mobile.twitter.com/marylouisemcla1?lang=en

I'm trying to find an interview I watched today on ABC, where Mary louise mclaws was saying 80% actually equalled something like 56% of total population.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
"Eligible population" is a synonym for "Morrison's whim".
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

"Eligible population" is a synonym for "Morrison's whim".
"Valvegear"


Everyone knows what the problem is.  We ordered the wrong vaccine.  

Don't get me wrong, AZ might save your life, but it's not (or shouldn't be) a passport to a cheap holiday in Bali.  

But a marketer's solution to this problem is not to fix supply and actually make a material difference, it's a marketing campaign to explain New Coke is just as good as Old Coke.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

6 new cases in Vic, 3 of them out in the wild.

There goes the weekend...
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's great to see some companies doing the right thing mandating vaccination for all staff and on-site people: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

It's great to see some companies doing the right thing mandating vaccination for all staff and on-site people: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492
Carnot
Lawyers making a beeline for Shepparton and setting up offices just outside the processing plant waiting to "help" the first staff member to question the decision of management.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
At least in an industry like SPC when it all goes pear shaped it will be public knowledge who was and who was not vaccinated.

Those who were not (without sufficient medical reason) will be canned!

The key to everything is plentiful and easily accessible Pfizer for everyone which, as we know, is not the case.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
262 people with the virus today in NSW, at least 47 infectious whilst in the community, 5 deaths have been recorded as well, the lockdown isn't going to end at the end of August!!!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
"Eligible population" is a synonym for "Morrison's whim".


Everyone knows what the problem is.  We ordered the wrong vaccine.  

Don't get me wrong, AZ might save your life, but it's not (or shouldn't be) a passport to a cheap holiday in Bali.  

But a marketer's solution to this problem is not to fix supply and actually make a material difference, it's a marketing campaign to explain New Coke is just as good as Old Coke.
djf01
But A-Z will minimize your risk of severe illness still, same with Pfizer as I understand it.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
At least in an industry like SPC when it all goes pear shaped it will be public knowledge who was and who was not vaccinated.

Those who were not (without sufficient medical reason) will be canned!

The key to everything is plentiful and easily accessible Pfizer for everyone which, as we know, is not the case.
YM-Mundrabilla
You did a rather plum job there:P
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Saw a comment yesterday some where, dunno how true it is, but Mon, Tues, Wednesday last week about 501 or 3 cases, same time this week 620 or 30 cases. If true, and I cant be bothered checking it out, the trend line is looking ominous. That being the case, Gladys needs a Blundstone inserted up her Daryl Maguire
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

262 people with the virus today in NSW, at least 47 infectious whilst in the community, 5 deaths have been recorded as well, the lockdown isn't going to end at the end of August!!!
lsrailfan
Gladys has (with smirkos help) decided that the current restrictions/settings are appropriate until vaccination rates meet smirkos whim.

My niece, front line worker (colesworths) was booked for first Pfizer last Tuesday, cancelled on arrival at GP. She got it last night at Homebush hub. I have no idea at this stage how this was orchestrated.

Anyone else in NSW feel we’re participating in huge medical/socioeconomic experiment?

Edit, Hazardous just stated the health system is under stress now. Look out.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Rumours of a snap 3 day lockdown in Vic...
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

https://www.theage.com.au/national/price-of-living-with-covid-must-be-understood-before-its-paid-20210802-p58f1w.html

Why are we in a rush to "live with covid"
doyle
Because some of us have had our lives on hold for about 18 months and want to see a pathway out.

I have been into the office ~10 days since March 2020 and have had most social events cancelled. I have for months at a time not seen any family members. Being in the same room week after week after week on the computer and walking the same streets every day for exercise starts to get a bit boring. The only thing that keeps me sane is sneaking in the odd "intimate partner" met online.

By the sounds of it we are about to go into a lockdown yet again...5 more cases in Melbourne.

I think we still need to do this until everyone has had a chance to get the full vaccination (even if its the vax of their choice...which will mean waiting even longer), but at some point we have to allow the virus to gradually circulate. There is no alternative.

I think we should set that date at July 1st 2022. Forget the 70% and 80% targets...there will be no excuse by mid 2022. If people are not vaccinated by that time, they never will be.

That doesn't mean a virus free for all, there will still be restrictions of some sort, but there should be no more blanket lockdowns and visitation restrictions once everyone has had the chance to get vaccinated.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Rumours of a snap 3 day lockdown in Vic...
Carnot
8 new cases now.

Lockdown in 3...2...1...
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Not all vaccines, it has become clear, are created equal. In May 2021, a study published in Nature Medicine made this claim based on the aggregated clinical trial results of seven different Covid-19 vaccines. Using predictive modeling techniques to plot the strength and duration of their immune protection over a theoretical timeline of 250 days, the study’s authors showed that some vaccines dropped to 50 percent efficacy much earlier than others. Leading the pack were Pfizer and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines, which performed at 95 percent efficacy initially and took a full 250 days to fall to 50 percent. The AstraZeneca vaccine rounded out the bottom with 62 percent initial efficacy and a half life of 48 days, though the Sinopharm vaccine fared even worse, having just 50 percent efficacy to begin with.

Did any poster here who has had AZ in the last few months know that it was only 50% effective after 48 days?
don_dunstan

If it is indeed 48 days to 50% effectiveness that it a worry, but it does seem to be working in the UK quite well. I have never considered Astra or any vaccine to be the final vaccine needed though. Anyone who sees the vaccine as a silver bullet I suspect is going to be disappointed. I fully expect double dosed Astra Zeneca people, like I will be by the end of October to have to eventually have Pfizer or Moderna shots next year.

My main reason for getting Astra now is that I can see the Government will roll out some sort of vaccine passport system sooner than people expect and I don't want to have my freedoms restricted when they do so.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Rumours of a snap 3 day lockdown in Vic...
8 new cases now.

Lockdown in 3...2...1...
Mr. Lane
Pretty much guaranteed....
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Interesting chart from a 29/7/2021 article in Forbes Magazine discussing the effectiveness of the various COVID19 vaccines and the time they take to degrade to fifty percent or less effectiveness against the disease:



Not all vaccines, it has become clear, are created equal. In May 2021, a study published in Nature Medicine made this claim based on the aggregated clinical trial results of seven different Covid-19 vaccines. Using predictive modeling techniques to plot the strength and duration of their immune protection over a theoretical timeline of 250 days, the study’s authors showed that some vaccines dropped to 50 percent efficacy much earlier than others. Leading the pack were Pfizer and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines, which performed at 95 percent efficacy initially and took a full 250 days to fall to 50 percent. The AstraZeneca vaccine rounded out the bottom with 62 percent initial efficacy and a half life of 48 days, though the Sinopharm vaccine fared even worse, having just 50 percent efficacy to begin with.

Did any poster here who has had AZ in the last few months know that it was only 50% effective after 48 days?
don_dunstan
'... Did any poster here who has had AZ in the last few months know that it was only 50% effective after 48 days? ...'

NO and having had my second AZ in mid June I have already reached its 50% half life and it's all downhill from here to being totally useless pretty soon.

WE HAVE BEEN CONNED.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Anyone who sees the vaccine as a silver bullet I suspect is going to be disappointed.
Mr. Lane
Agreed.
I don't want to have my freedoms restricted when they do so.
Mr. Lane
I genuinely hope that you're not as selfish as that statement sounds.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

"Eligible population" is a synonym for "Morrison's whim".


Everyone knows what the problem is.  We ordered the wrong vaccine.  

Don't get me wrong, AZ might save your life, but it's not (or shouldn't be) a passport to a cheap holiday in Bali.  

But a marketer's solution to this problem is not to fix supply and actually make a material difference, it's a marketing campaign to explain New Coke is just as good as Old Coke.
But A-Z will minimize your risk of severe illness still, same with Pfizer as I understand it.
lsrailfan

At the risk of sounding like @don: Show me the data!

Seriously, I've been trying to find concrete data to answer this question one way or another for months now.  UK_Public Health have this data, but they don't publish it.  The UK has a substantial and rising hospitalisation rate, a population vaccinated with mix of vaccines, and a wildly unconstrained delta epidemic.  The majority of their patients *are* vaccinated (many with only 1 dose), unlike the US, Israel and France which use either exclusively Pfizer or an AZ-PF combo.

Don't get me wrong, AZ is way better than nothing.  I just think the balance of evidence states (actually I'll rephrase, *all* the evidence) is Pf is 2-4x better than AZ, and we need everyone vacced with Pf - including boosting those who've had AZ with 1 dose of Pf.

I stand to be corrected on this, because the UK have this raw data which would quantify the differences in efficacy, they just don't publish it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The state reported five deaths and 262 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 on Thursday, with 129 of the new cases linked to a known case or cluster, according to NSW Health.

A seven-day snap lockdown will commence at 5 pm on Thursday in the Hunter and Upper Hunter regions.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Anyone who sees the vaccine as a silver bullet I suspect is going to be disappointed.
Agreed.
I don't want to have my freedoms restricted when they do so.
I genuinely hope that you're not as selfish as that statement sounds.
Graham4405
What I mean is that I want to qualify for a vaccine passport so I am not sitting at home when other people I know are getting out and about to nightclubs and music festivals. There wouldn't be a point to having vaccine passports if people didn't get extra freedoms for having them...

There will of course be various restrictions for a long time yet, even for vaccinated people.

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