The corona virus COVID-19

 
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
"Eligible population" is a synonym for "Morrison's whim".


Everyone knows what the problem is.  We ordered the wrong vaccine.  

Don't get me wrong, AZ might save your life, but it's not (or shouldn't be) a passport to a cheap holiday in Bali.  

But a marketer's solution to this problem is not to fix supply and actually make a material difference, it's a marketing campaign to explain New Coke is just as good as Old Coke.
But A-Z will minimize your risk of severe illness still, same with Pfizer as I understand it.

At the risk of sounding like @don: Show me the data!

Seriously, I've been trying to find concrete data to answer this question one way or another for months now.  UK_Public Health have this data, but they don't publish it.  The UK has a substantial and rising hospitalisation rate, a population vaccinated with mix of vaccines, and a wildly unconstrained delta epidemic.  The majority of their patients *are* vaccinated (many with only 1 dose), unlike the US, Israel and France which use either exclusively Pfizer or an AZ-PF combo.

Don't get me wrong, AZ is way better than nothing.  I just think the balance of evidence states (actually I'll rephrase, *all* the evidence) is Pf is 2-4x better than AZ, and we need everyone vacced with Pf - including boosting those who've had AZ with 1 dose of Pf.

I stand to be corrected on this, because the UK have this raw data which would quantify the differences in efficacy, they just don't publish it.
djf01
I had a Dr's appt over the phone this morning, and I asked him that exact question, which one was better, he said to me Pfizer was slightly better, but there wasn't much overall difference, he suggested people may need a booster, also he wasn't exactly sure how long the vaccines would protect people for.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

As I've said before, get the vaccine or expect to go nowhere later this year:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/covid-vaccination-passport-how-it-could-work/100350778

And yes, it will likely survive any High Court challenge by Clive Palmer etc.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
bevans
At least.  Hopefully the regions are spared.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
bevans

7 day lockdown from 8PM. This is the new normal for many months.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Not eloquent but accurate.

  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
At least.  Hopefully the regions are spared.
Carnot
Regions wont be spared from any future lockdowns as they don't want Melbournian's trying to escape into the regions each time a lockdown happens.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
At least.  Hopefully the regions are spared.
Regions wont be spared from any future lockdowns as they don't want Melbournian's trying to escape into the regions each time a lockdown happens.
Mr. Lane
Nah, it's just Dan Andrews taking delight in punishing everyone equally.

Incidentally, Sydney is losing approximately 10000 jobs per day atm.

As for tonight - I'm weighing up whether to go home via Bottleshop or Bunnings.  Or both...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?

7 day lockdown from 8PM. This is the new normal for many months.
Mr. Lane
Unfortunately, you have to do this with the Delta Strain or you end up like us!!!, Glady's waited a whole nine days with this Delta Strain before she acted, you cannot do that!
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
No wonder ????s were on special at Woolies, they must have known...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
bevans
Seven day - confirmed.

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.

Who in hell would want a cafe or restaurant in Melbourne, there's going to be utter devastation in hospitality and tourism in VIC as a result of this.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
Seven day - confirmed.

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.

Who in hell would want a cafe or restaurant in Melbourne, there's going to be utter devastation in hospitality and tourism in VIC as a result of this.
don_dunstan
Correct, until 80% of us are vaccinated, then, hopefully, no more lockdowns
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?

7 day lockdown from 8PM. This is the new normal for many months.
Unfortunately, you have to do this with the Delta Strain or you end up like us!!!, Glady's waited a whole nine days with this Delta Strain before she acted, you cannot do that!
lsrailfan

You don't need to tell us that...it's what we were trying to tell you guys!
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
Seven day - confirmed.

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.

Who in hell would want a cafe or restaurant in Melbourne, there's going to be utter devastation in hospitality and tourism in VIC as a result of this.
don_dunstan
Honestly I think most of the hospitality business that were going to fail from the pandemic already did during the second wave.

The businesses that remain have worked out now how to survive with the restrictions. Restaurants and cafes are still open, they are just doing home delivery or window service.

Menulog, Uber Eats, Deliveroo, et al...they are all thriving.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
Seven day - confirmed.

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.

Who in hell would want a cafe or restaurant in Melbourne, there's going to be utter devastation in hospitality and tourism in VIC as a result of this.
Correct, until 80% of us are vaccinated, then, hopefully, no more lockdowns
lsrailfan
80 % vaccinated still wont stop Dan slamming lockdowns upon us, they are hell bent on 0 cases at anytime !
  doyle Chief Commissioner

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.
Don

I've been saying no one gets the new normal for ages, home life for me
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
At least.  Hopefully the regions are spared.
Regions wont be spared from any future lockdowns as they don't want Melbournian's trying to escape into the regions each time a lockdown happens.
Incidentally, Sydney is losing approximately 10000 jobs per day atm.
Carnot
You should be able to project with some accuracy then, when no-one will be working in Sydney at all.

So, come on, when???
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Sadly I think we'll see an explosion of homelessness in the coming months. They're now camping in tents in the bush and free-camping grounds around here.  

Mrs Carnot volunteers at a centre providing meals for them and numbers have jumped 30-40% in just the past month.

I'll park this one right here regarding the USA at present:
  doyle Chief Commissioner

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.
Don

I've been saying no one gets the new normal for ages, home life for me

Don't get whats funny about that Don
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
Seven day - confirmed.

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.

Who in hell would want a cafe or restaurant in Melbourne, there's going to be utter devastation in hospitality and tourism in VIC as a result of this.
Honestly I think most of the hospitality business that were going to fail from the pandemic already did during the second wave.

The businesses that remain have worked out now how to survive with the restrictions. Restaurants and cafes are still open, they are just doing home delivery or window service.

Menulog, Uber Eats, Deliveroo, et al...they are all thriving.
Mr. Lane
You should tell these whingy Melbourne restaurateurs that they're complaining about nothing and things are booming - here's an article from two Melbourne lock-downs ago - Nine/Fairfax;

A Melbourne restauranteur says lockdown measures have "broken" businesses as harsh restrictions continue to cripple the city's hospitality sector. Speaking to Today, Lucas Restaurants CEO Chris Lucas, who owns famous restaurant Chin Chin, said lockdowns continued to ravage the industry, admitting the sector was on the brink of collapse.

"We're broken," he said.

"166 or 167 days now into a devastating lockdown that never seems to be able to end.

"It doesn't matter what positivity we try and engender amongst my staff and our family, our kids, our community, but every time we get off the mat we seem to be dealt a blow.

"I really feel this time it's been so impactful, so devastating in every aspect. "Mentally, psychologically, confidence-wise, obviously financially for the state, but I really do feel for Melbourne." Mr Lucas said a "pall of sadness" had swept the city, with hospitality business owners grieving the devastating effects of the lockdown.

The restauranteur explained the damage would not just be a mere few weeks over the course of the lockdown, but years of hardship as businesses attempt to rebuild.

"I think the damage is going to be long-lasting, not just to the industry but the city," he said.

"The effects are going to be felt for years to come. There is a lot of post-traumatic mental damage being done to people. People last week were in tears. My staff, we're breaking down just at the news that we were going to go into a lockdown yet again.

"I think there's a real frustration but there's a real anger brewing in the city now."

But things are booming for hospitality in Victoria. Right?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Sadly I think we'll see an explosion of homelessness in the coming months. They're now camping in tents in the bush and free-camping grounds around here.  

Mrs Carnot volunteers at a centre providing meals for them and numbers have jumped 30-40% in just the past month.

I'll park this one right here regarding the USA at present:
Carnot
I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse in the States, so many folk over there are not still fully vaccinated.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yeah, in many States vaccination rates have flat-lined at 40-50%.  They're stuffed.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yeah, in many States vaccination rates have flat-lined at 40-50%.  They're stuffed.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Melbourne facing another lockdown of 3 days?
Seven day - confirmed.

You all scoffed at me when I said 12 months ago that this was the new normal.

Who in hell would want a cafe or restaurant in Melbourne, there's going to be utter devastation in hospitality and tourism in VIC as a result of this.
Honestly I think most of the hospitality business that were going to fail from the pandemic already did during the second wave.

The businesses that remain have worked out now how to survive with the restrictions. Restaurants and cafes are still open, they are just doing home delivery or window service.

Menulog, Uber Eats, Deliveroo, et al...they are all thriving.
You should tell these whingy Melbourne restaurateurs that they're complaining about nothing and things are booming - here's an article from two Melbourne lock-downs ago - Nine/Fairfax;

admitting the sector was on the brink of collapse.

"We're broken," he said.

"It doesn't matter what positivity we try and engender amongst my staff and our family, our kids, our community, but every time we get off the mat we seem to be dealt a blow.

"I really feel this time it's been so impactful, so devastating in every aspect."

"pall of sadness" had swept the city, with hospitality business owners grieving the devastating effects of the lockdown.


"I think the damage is going to be long-lasting, not just to the industry but the city," he said.

"The effects are going to be felt for years to come. There is a lot of post-traumatic mental damage being done to people. People last week were in tears. My staff, we're breaking down just at the news that we were going to go into a lockdown yet again.

"I think there's a real frustration but there's a real anger brewing in the city now."

But things are booming for hospitality in Victoria. Right?
don_dunstan

Lots of emotive words from one guy doesn't mean the hospitality industry is collapsing. Yes businesses are doing it hard, but we hear this language from the hospitality industry every time and yet the hospitality venues remain in business.

The CBD businesses definitely have a crisis on their hands, but that is going to be an issue even without lockdows...as long as people are still working from home, they are in trouble. The work from home revolution has started and although I think people will eventually return to the CBD offices, it wont be for 5 days a week. Those days are over.

In the urban and suburban areas it's just not the case that hospitality is collapsing: business have found new ways of doing business and the laggards have been forced to catch up.

If anything this pandemic will make surviving hospitality businesses more resilient and diversified...this idea that running a restaurant means only having patrons sit inside was already becoming outdated or even niche.

And people will always need to eat and get smeg.

I would be more concerned for businesses like gyms, yoga and dance studios. Many have moved online, but its is far from optimal.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Yeah, in many States vaccination rates have flat-lined at 40-50%.  They're stuffed.
Carnot
Dr. Faccui was on 7.30 earlier and he said the Government still has a few weapons up its sleeve.

  • It will become mandatory for all federal employees to become vaccinated.
  • Once the final set of FDA approvals for the vaccines are completed businesses and colleges will legally be able to make vaccination a condition of ongoing employment or enrolling.
  • There is a shift to trying to promote vaccination at the grass roots level though local  community/cultural leaders and churches/parishes.

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