Andamooka

 
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Will anyone say if Andamooka ever had a rail head?

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  CPH8 Junior Train Controller

No, Andamooka never had rail. It was served by many years by Opal Air Airlines flying Adelaide - Andamooka - Coober Pedy. Between Andamooka and Coober Pedy they had to dogleg via Billa Kalina Station, which was a reporting point, to avoid the Woomera Restricted Area R239. Pilots who risked a short cut would get buzzed by contractor's aircraft from Woomera.

Flights in and out of Andamooka and Coober Pedy were managed by Leigh Creek Flight Service Unit, where I served from 1969 to 1973
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Will anyone say if Andamooka ever had a rail head?
"NSWGR8022"


Can't see that a railway ever went near Andamooka... closest would have been Woomera  but looking up this point, can anyone define where Woomera Railway Station would have been sited? I tried following the Olympic Dam Highway and I assume the road covered  part of the route!

Cheers

Trevor
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It was probably Woomera.

Why? Are you wanting to start a commuter service?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Will anyone say if Andamooka ever had a rail head?


Can't see that a railway ever went near Andamooka... closest would have been Woomera  but looking up this point, can anyone define where Woomera Railway Station would have been sited? I tried following the Olympic Dam Highway and I assume the road covered  part of the route!

Cheers

Trevor
xdford
Trevor. I found it on Google Earth. The rail line seems to run out to the stores area just west of the airstrip.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Will anyone say if Andamooka ever had a rail head?


Can't see that a railway ever went near Andamooka... closest would have been Woomera  but looking up this point, can anyone define where Woomera Railway Station would have been sited? I tried following the Olympic Dam Highway and I assume the road covered  part of the route!

Cheers

Trevor
xdford
There was an excellent article in Light Railways 271 (Feb 2020). The passenger station was located at the West Woomera Stores Siding here:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state=%7B%22ids%22%3A%5B%221kQiG_1OJRpNj_jo3AzwnaUwUfR568i7N%22%5D%2C%22action%22%3A%22open%22%2C%22userId%22%3A%22117682915118963872279%22%7D&usp=sharing

The line extended north a further 4km or so to the Technical Area.
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Andamooka would benefit from a high speed rail connection to Adelaide. Imagine how much bigger its attractiveness as a tourist destination would be if you could reduce the travel time to (say) 3 hours.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Appreciate the responses so quickly and good info too to boot. what would have been the next eastern rail line from Andamooka please?

Is there still a track to Woomera?
  Cato56 Station Master

If there is still a track you should buy some old dilapidated railcars and run rocket tourist services to the Woomera test range that no one wants or needs. You could call it the Woomera rocket train!
  CPH8 Junior Train Controller

The Budd cars ran to Woomera
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I'd suggest building a high speed line from somewhere like Dawson to the locality of Pualco instead. The railcars could be built using scrap metal salvaged from the Jumbos and Red hens.

The only catch to it is that it cannot stop at towns with a population of more than 10. There can be one intermediate stop just west of Koomooloo for refreshments.

2 return services per day. Leaving at 6:45AM and 12:45PM, with return services to be commenced at 9:45AM and 3:45PM.

Fares would be the same as the current AdMet concession rates.

But in response to the previous question, there was a branch from Pimba to Woomera. But I have no idea how often it was used.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It was probably Woomera.

Why? Are you wanting to start a commuter service?
steam4ian
I'll use it if it provides a direct service to Kudla in no greater than 2 hours 50 minutes.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

It has always bewildered me that they never built a railway there. The Andamooka Yacht Club serves one of the best skinny lattes around, worth visiting the city for that alone. High speed passenger rail would introduce millions of coffee addicts to the chance of a relaxed latte between trains. Excellent idea
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

But in response to the previous question, there was a branch from Pimba to Woomera. But I have no idea how often it was used.
ARG706
In 1966 Budd cars operated three return services from Port Augusta each week (out Mon, Wed, Fri returning Mon, Thu, Fri) with a conditional fourth service on Tuesdays.
  CPH8 Junior Train Controller

What days did the Budd cars operate to Marree?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

What days did the Budd cars operate to Marree?
CPH8
In 1966, none. Apart from the fast mixed trains, the only passenger services between Port Augusta (or Stirling North) and Marree were the twice weekly passenger trains connecting with the NG Ghan.
  CPH8 Junior Train Controller

Must have been later then. I was at Leigh Creek from 1969 to 1973 and remember catching a Budd car south at least once. I believe they were eventually withdrawn because of damage from hitting wildlife and stock at speed
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Must have been later then. I was at Leigh Creek from 1969 to 1973 and remember catching a Budd car south at least once. I believe they were eventually withdrawn because of damage from hitting wildlife and stock at speed
CPH8
I'm sure they ran there, but I only have the 66 WTT.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What days did the Budd cars operate to Marree?
In 1966, none. Apart from the fast mixed trains, the only passenger services between Port Augusta (or Stirling North) and Marree were the twice weekly passenger trains connecting with the NG Ghan.
duttonbay

Hi this area is of interest to me.  What was the consist of the connecting trains to Maree?  Was this also a Budd Car or something different?

My understanding was Budd Cars worked out of Port Augusta to Whyalla, Port Pirie and now I understand Woomera.  Was that it?

in 1966 =the woomera branch was that the main in those days or did the track go further north reaching Alice in 1980?
  xdford Chief Train Controller

... My understanding was Budd Cars worked out of Port Augusta to Whyalla, Port Pirie and now I understand Woomera.  Was that it?

in 1966 =the woomera branch was that the main in those days or did the track go further north reaching Alice in 1980?


The Woomera branch came off at Pimba ... I have seen it but not been on it from passing through Pimba on the train  .. while the Alice and (ultimately) Darwin line came off at Tarcoola some distance to the West, mainly to avoid the flood areas that plagued the old NG line.

I remember seeing a doco, I think on TV but could have been a film night at a club, showing the inbound Ghan at Marree  swapping the passengers into a 2 car Budd for the link South dated circa 1961 which is before I thought they were withdrawn from this service.

I wonder if the Budds were used to provide a link service to Marree when the full Ghan did not run due to flooding?  I could not find a regular timetable reference to a singular Marree Budd service. When the flooding did occur (usually once a year) the line could be out for up to 3-4 weeks at a time.  

As far as a Woomera service was concerned, on Fridays it was possible to travel to Whyalla and back in a day from Adelaide. When I did it in  1974,  there were two Budds from Pirie which split at Pt Augusta, one going to Whyalla and the other to Woomera. The up train from Woomera met a Bluebird about 2:30 am on Saturday and arrived circa 6am , the only "overnight" service with a Bluebird that started and finished in the dark as far as I know in the early hours. It was by all accounts well patronised as I witnessed on a freight train trip to Peterbrough via  Pt Pirie which arrived there about 3am.

Be interesting to see what other peoples remembrances are!

Cheers

Trevor
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Perhaps the Woomera discussion which is OT should be moved back to https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11352614.htm
  SAR On track Station Staff

Or, if you were to move this discussion it might be better suited in the 2017 topic Port Augusta-Marree Budd RDC https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11374118-0-asc-s0.htm which has a couple of pages of posts about the subject of Budd railcars going to Marree.  Its worth reading if you are particularly interested about railcars reaching Marree



Cheers
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Woomera posts to that old Woomera topic, Marree stuff to that old Marree topic, the rest to Armchair Operators.

But while we're still here, the non-closure of railway stations in SA and the careful maintenance of unserved stations in modern data sets has produced an interesting result in Google Maps:

  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Woomera posts to that old Woomera topic, Marree stuff to that old Marree topic, the rest to Armchair Operators.

But while we're still here, the non-closure of railway stations in SA and the careful maintenance of unserved stations in modern data sets has produced an interesting result in Google Maps:

justapassenger
That symbol is in the Technical Area, which has never been a passenger stop. I believe that even now that area is restricted. So, it's not a non-closed station, it's a never-was station. A figment of Google's imagination.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Google used a data set from the state government for that, which included a bucketload of stations on lines that had never been formally closed.

Looks like the government view is that a goods only station only able to be used by selected customers is still a station.

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