The Aussie politics thread -

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
CDC probably wouldnt have been defunded under her tenure in 2016-2017

You're not a Trump supporter but you're constantly singing his praises over every little thing. You're a closet conservative who doesnt like being called conservative.
speedemon08
No, that's completely wrong. This whole forum has just become an echo chamber for people who all hate Trump, just the same as I see everywhere else I go. Why, what's the point in hating him? Nothing good has come from him being President - are you people serious?

And just because I won't join the choir of people all congratulating themselves for thinking the same then automatically I must be a Trump lover.

You've just proven my point.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
CDC probably wouldnt have been defunded under her tenure in 2016-2017

You're not a Trump supporter but you're constantly singing his praises over every little thing. You're a closet conservative who doesnt like being called conservative.
speedemon08
Again, because I'm not joining in then I'm one of THEM.

And all the advice that those 'experts' gave all turned out to be contradictory and wrong anyway - what difference would it have made?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

How would that outcome have been any different under a Clinton government?

I really don't get the pathological hated of Trump, repeated in perfect detail on this board. Lots of good things have come of the Trump Presidency, not the least of which was the denial of the Presidency to that war-monger Hilary Clinton.

And I'm not a Trump supporter - I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Just because I'm not getting on the mindless bandwagon that condemns him for every little thing I'm supposed to be a supporter. He's not my President, I didn't vote for him.

You people all have really closed minds - you're just sheep.
If it were only Trump or Hilliary, I would have chosen Trump too. Like I said elsewhere, you're only picking the who is going to screw you over the least, not who you want to run the country. About the only person I would actually vote for instead of picking the exact same person because I am voting against their opponent, would be Jacinta Ardern.

But that is not the point. The point is that once chosen, you are El Presidente' like it or not. And as Boss Hog you don't get to spout bull$hit at every opportunity, you are a statesman, your countries representative, like it or not. Petty personal attacks on your opponent, on public servants, on journalists simply because you don't like something they have said, is beneath such a role. Then again, look at our politicians! If my kids behaved they way they do in parliament they'd get my boot up their asre, and rightfully so, but they carry on like it's a game.

Hillary may have made different decisions on COVID, she may not have. We'll never know. Donald made the calls and it has cost nearly a quarter-million American's their lives. But I would have voted for Elmer Fudd before I put either of those other two nincompoops on my polling paper in any event! Laughing
KRviator
If it were only Trump or Hilliary, I would have chosen Trump too. Like I said elsewhere, you're only picking the who is going to screw you over the least, not who you want to run the country.

I don't like Hillary either, but you reckon she would have screwed the people more than Trump? Really? If you have the likes of Steve Bannon, Steve Mnuchin, Stephen Miller, Roger Stone and Newt Gringrich in your cabinet, you are not giving a flying eff about ordinary people. Granted Hillary was and still is a avid defender of Wall Street.


The point is that once chosen, you are El Presidente' like it or not. And as Boss Hog you don't get to spout bull$hit at every opportunity, you are a statesman, your countries representative, like it or not. Petty personal attacks on your opponent, on public servants, on journalists simply because you don't like something they have said, is beneath such a role. Then again, look at our politicians! If my kids behaved they way they do in parliament they'd get my boot up their asre, and rightfully so, but they carry on like it's a game.

Are you really going to compare political jousting in the Australian Parliament to what Donnie Trump and his administration has done? Really? There is no equivalence here at all. I am not going to go through all the stunts that man has pulled.

Hillary may have made different decisions on COVID, she may not have. We'll never know. Donald made the calls and it has cost nearly a quarter-million American's their lives.

No she most definitely would have made different decisions. You know it and I know it. For a start, she would not have disbanded the Pandemic Task force. Secondly she would not have said it was a hoax. Thirdly she would have listened to medical experts.

Trump is an utter fraud.

Michael
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
CDC probably wouldnt have been defunded under her tenure in 2016-2017

You're not a Trump supporter but you're constantly singing his praises over every little thing. You're a closet conservative who doesnt like being called conservative.
No, that's completely wrong. This whole forum has just become an echo chamber for people who all hate Trump, just the same as I see everywhere else I go. Why, what's the point in hating him? Nothing good has come from him being President - are you people serious?

And just because I won't join the choir of people all congratulating themselves for thinking the same then automatically I must be a Trump lover.

You've just proven my point.
don_dunstan
Ah, the Qanon route. Finding someone to praise your smeg reality in your head because you cant handle the truth.

North Korea is already trying to backtrack on the "deal".

Trump keeps smeg it up, and its all his own fault. WHY CANT YOU SEE THIS.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
In other news, I'm watching a video about a certain NSW deputy premier who might just be way more corrupt than the initial information presented. Pretty bloody damning.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AiYvpe6qfs
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
speedemon08
Most Likely

Or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?

Yep Sudanese, Indigenous all fair game to right wing racist Liberal state organisations such as Victoria and Queensland.


Michael
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If the only good thing Trump has done is to have not started a war, I'm just as good as him - I haven't started one either.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If it were only Trump or Hilliary, I would have chosen Trump too. Like I said elsewhere, you're only picking the who is going to screw you over the least, not who you want to run the country.

I don't like Hillary either, but you reckon she would have screwed the people more than Trump? Really? If you have the likes of Steve Bannon, Steve Mnuchin, Stephen Miller, Roger Stone and Newt Gringrich in your cabinet, you are not giving a flying eff about ordinary people. Granted Hillary was and still is a avid defender of Wall Street.


The point is that once chosen, you are El Presidente' like it or not. And as Boss Hog you don't get to spout bull$hit at every opportunity, you are a statesman, your countries representative, like it or not. Petty personal attacks on your opponent, on public servants, on journalists simply because you don't like something they have said, is beneath such a role. Then again, look at our politicians! If my kids behaved they way they do in parliament they'd get my boot up their asre, and rightfully so, but they carry on like it's a game.

Are you really going to compare political jousting in the Australian Parliament to what Donnie Trump and his administration has done? Really? There is no equivalence here at all. I am not going to go through all the stunts that man has pulled.

Hillary may have made different decisions on COVID, she may not have. We'll never know. Donald made the calls and it has cost nearly a quarter-million American's their lives.

No she most definitely would have made different decisions. You know it and I know it. For a start, she would not have disbanded the Pandemic Task force. Secondly she would not have said it was a hoax. Thirdly she would have listened to medical experts.

Trump is an utter fraud.

Michael
mejhammers1
Yeah same, the closer they got to the election the harder it would have been for me to pick Clinton as there was some bad stuff coming out. However I'm still not sure I would have picked Trump though, he has proven to be everything I thought he would be and more. A bit like MT back home, once in I tried to give the guy some credit and time to settle in (I think most new political leaders need 6mth to really get a feel of how to "drive the bus", but he ever stepped up to the plate, if anything distanced himself from it.

Yes I think Clinton would have handled the CV-19 and violence issues alot better and while most will say we will never know, it wouldn't be hard to improve on DT's effort who's only comments seemed to be blame the Chinese and Democrats.

Trump has some good points on many topic's but its his arrogant execution that just seems to screw himself on. You have leader's of 3rd world country's that present better. He got in on the back of redneck support and he has forgotten he needs to represent everyone. He should have also known he got in by a bee's d__k margin  and only US president to ever achieve that, more luck of the way the ballots fell and as such you'd think he's see this as a warning sign from the start he needs to lift his game.  I think some of his staff saw the light early on and resigned to save their careers as working in the white house doesn't pay as well as people think it does, its all about exposure, building your CV and developing networks and connections for the plum corporate job later.

Going by his recent behavior, it's looking very much like he expects to loose. The 2nd President to be fired from office since 1980, so not a nice trophy to carry. He is also looking like to be the only leader in the developed world to loose an election during 2020. Many others who were marginal came back much stronger than predicted pre CV-19, NZ's PM for example.

Personally I'm expecting a white wash with voting turnout at the highest levels in years to make sure Trump is gone and the swamp is well and truly drained.

One positive for DT though, if it was him who negotiated the peace deal between the UAE and Israel, he almost, I said almost deserves a Noble Peace prize. KSA, Oman, Kuwait and Bahrain are all following in some way shape or form. KSA likely the last.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Today's Courier Mail carries front page headlines accusing leaders of both major parties of lying to Queenslanders. Who would have thought?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
CDC probably wouldnt have been defunded under her tenure in 2016-2017

You're not a Trump supporter but you're constantly singing his praises over every little thing. You're a closet conservative who doesnt like being called conservative.
No, that's completely wrong. This whole forum has just become an echo chamber for people who all hate Trump, just the same as I see everywhere else I go. Why, what's the point in hating him? Nothing good has come from him being President - are you people serious?

And just because I won't join the choir of people all congratulating themselves for thinking the same then automatically I must be a Trump lover.

You've just proven my point.
Ah, the Qanon route. Finding someone to praise your smeg reality in your head because you cant handle the truth.

North Korea is already trying to backtrack on the "deal".

Trump keeps smeg it up, and its all his own fault. WHY CANT YOU SEE THIS.
speedemon08
Again, he's not my President, I didn't vote for him. What a dramatic piece of rubbish to write "because I can't handle the truth"! You people really are drama queens.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't like Hillary either, but you reckon she would have screwed the people more than Trump? Really? If you have the likes of Steve Bannon, Steve Mnuchin, Stephen Miller, Roger Stone and Newt Gringrich in your cabinet, you are not giving a flying eff about ordinary people. Granted Hillary was and still is a avid defender of Wall Street.
mejhammers1
You really, seriously think Hillie would have been the slightest bit different?
The point is that once chosen, you are El Presidente' like it or not. And as Boss Hog you don't get to spout bull$hit at every opportunity, you are a statesman, your countries representative, like it or not. Petty personal attacks on your opponent, on public servants, on journalists simply because you don't like something they have said, is beneath such a role. Then again, look at our politicians! If my kids behaved they way they do in parliament they'd get my boot up their asre, and rightfully so, but they carry on like it's a game.
mejhammers1
So what? He's more interesting and entertaining that than tool of the rich Obama. And I've never once heard Obama take a skerrick of responsibility for the fact that it was his dreadful, do-nothing administration that was directly accountable for two-thirds of working class Americans vote for Trump last time around. Not once.
Donald made the calls and it has cost nearly a quarter-million American's their lives. No she most definitely would have made different decisions. You know it and I know it. For a start, she would not have disbanded the Pandemic Task force. Secondly she would not have said it was a hoax. Thirdly she would have listened to medical experts. Trump is an utter fraud. Michael
mejhammers1
Would that have resulted in a different outcome?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
Most Likely

Or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?

Yep Sudanese, Indigenous all fair game to right wing racist Liberal state organisations such as Victoria and Queensland.


Michael
mejhammers1
Yeah because the poor old Sudanese like those ones in Werribee have done nothing wrong. Right, Michael?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
speedemon08
Four indigenous kids died in a stolen car in Townsville earlier this year at about three in the morning. As I recall at least two of them were already on bail - they were all pretty young too, certainly not employment age. Do you actually have a solution for those sorts of problems or are you okay with things like that happening?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Wages and incomes plummeting since JobKeeper went down - doesn't bide well for the economy:
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Take Victoria out of the equation and the  graph may look different.    Dan is dragging the figures down.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Take Victoria out of the equation and the  graph may look different.    Dan is dragging the figures down.
Donald
From what I've read it really has more to do with the reduction in JobKeeper because many technically unemployed people are now having their payments reduced. Certainly Dan's Victoria has been letting the national team down though too.

I've got a friend who works for a liquidation auction here in Adelaide and he says they have so much work coming up they don't know how they're going to schedule it all in. I think with the end of JobKeeper people are deciding to wind up their small to medium businesses and let go of their staff - all that JobKeeper was really doing was disguising the true extent of the unemployment problem by pumping huge amounts of welfare money into the economy.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Take Victoria out of the equation and the  graph may look different.    Dan is dragging the figures down.
From what I've read it really has more to do with the reduction in JobKeeper because many technically unemployed people are now having their payments reduced. Certainly Dan's Victoria has been letting the national team down though too.

I've got a friend who works for a liquidation auction here in Adelaide and he says they have so much work coming up they don't know how they're going to schedule it all in. I think with the end of JobKeeper people are deciding to wind up their small to medium businesses and let go of their staff - all that JobKeeper was really doing was disguising the true extent of the unemployment problem by pumping huge amounts of welfare money into the economy.
don_dunstan
Bingo!

I think that's a key point that has been massively overlooked. JobKeeper was geared towards keeping un(der)employed folk in paid work while we got through this Pestilence and were back to Ops-Normal. Except we aren't ops-normal. So all JobKeeper has done is prolong the inevitable at a cost of a hundred billion dollars. WA won't let you in at all, Queensland is apparently allergic to everyone south of Ballina, and we have the Mexican's still trying to work out if they are going to die of COVID or boredom at home.

While removing Victoria might give a slight upwards movement in the figures it won't be enough to say the response has been adequate...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Take Victoria out of the equation and the  graph may look different.    Dan is dragging the figures down.
Donald


Agree, most of the states unemployment is in retreat, although forecast is for it to rise in Q1 2021 as companies reassess their bottom line and those in the red push to get back in the black.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
Four indigenous kids died in a stolen car in Townsville earlier this year at about three in the morning. As I recall at least two of them were already on bail - they were all pretty young too, certainly not employment age. Do you actually have a solution for those sorts of problems or are you okay with things like that happening?
don_dunstan
You really think these sorts of people give a flying smeg about a curfew? Sort out the god damn "bail" system first.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
Four indigenous kids died in a stolen car in Townsville earlier this year at about three in the morning. As I recall at least two of them were already on bail - they were all pretty young too, certainly not employment age. Do you actually have a solution for those sorts of problems or are you okay with things like that happening?
You really think these sorts of people give a flying smeg about a curfew? Sort out the god damn "bail" system first.
speedemon08
IN order to not get bail you'd have to prove that you were either a flight risk or that you were an immediate danger to society. Some nice lawyer from Legal Aid will represent you and the government really doesn't want to put you into detention anyway as it costs them $$$ and there's a chance you could die there which would get them into loads of trouble.

In all seriousness - I'm asking you - what would you do?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
Four indigenous kids died in a stolen car in Townsville earlier this year at about three in the morning. As I recall at least two of them were already on bail - they were all pretty young too, certainly not employment age. Do you actually have a solution for those sorts of problems or are you okay with things like that happening?
You really think these sorts of people give a flying smeg about a curfew? Sort out the god damn "bail" system first.
IN order to not get bail you'd have to prove that you were either a flight risk or that you were an immediate danger to society. Some nice lawyer from Legal Aid will represent you and the government really doesn't want to put you into detention anyway as it costs them $$$ and there's a chance you could die there which would get them into loads of trouble.

In all seriousness - I'm asking you - what would you do?
don_dunstan
Lets try shutting the gate before the horses bolt.

I'd put more effort into welfare and support to try and stop it escalating and tweak the justice system a little bit for the serious repeat offenders who clearly dont care.

Oh, and smack the parents over the head. A good chunk of this sort of stuff happens because of at home life.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.mygc.com.au/lnp-unveils-plans-for-controversial-juvenile-curfew-to-tackle-crime-rise/

Deb Frecklington wants to introduce a curfew on anyone under 18 from being out past 10pm, and anyone under 15 from being out outside after 8pm. Just not going to tackle the issue of youth unemployment and go straight to lock em up in areas of high indigenous populations of Cairns and Townsville.

Where's her Dictator Deb headline in the press, or does she not get one because locking up people who more than likely arent white is okay?
Four indigenous kids died in a stolen car in Townsville earlier this year at about three in the morning. As I recall at least two of them were already on bail - they were all pretty young too, certainly not employment age. Do you actually have a solution for those sorts of problems or are you okay with things like that happening?
You really think these sorts of people give a flying smeg about a curfew? Sort out the god damn "bail" system first.
IN order to not get bail you'd have to prove that you were either a flight risk or that you were an immediate danger to society. Some nice lawyer from Legal Aid will represent you and the government really doesn't want to put you into detention anyway as it costs them $$$ and there's a chance you could die there which would get them into loads of trouble.

In all seriousness - I'm asking you - what would you do?
Lets try shutting the gate before the horses bolt.

I'd put more effort into welfare and support to try and stop it escalating and tweak the justice system a little bit for the serious repeat offenders who clearly dont care.

Oh, and smack the parents over the head. A good chunk of this sort of stuff happens because of at home life.
speedemon08
Sorry but that's really just a meaningless motherhood statement - and punish the parents? I can already hear the cries of RACIST!
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
GlaxoSmithKline announces the closure of their manufacturing plant in Melbourne with the loss of 300 jobs; Pfizer also announces its Bentley WA (Perth) medicines factory will close in 2023 with the loss of 470 jobs. Jobs are still being lost across the nation's manufacturing base despite Morrison's manufacturing strategy, which apparently isn't being put into place until next year anyway.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Are Angus and Barnaby preparing an offer? What’s the going rate for moon water?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-27/water-molecules-discovered-on-moon-using-nasa-flying-telescope/12806148

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