Did the ARHS Vic Division vote to wind up?

 
  grime Locomotive Fireman

ARHS was due to meet last Thursday as reported in the July members Newsletter.

Here:

The Tours Sub-Committee had a meeting on the 19th of June 2020 to talk about the starting of 1stTuesdayTours again, this was the first meeting since the 4th of March 2020.Since then the speed of change within the Society has changed very rapidly.

As you can see from the Notice with this MNL the Society is about to be wound up.
And here:
Enclosed with this mailout is undoubtedly the most important information ever sent to the membership.Please read it carefully. The Special General Meeting to be held on 23 July, as advised in the enclosed Notice, unfortunately can only have a very limited number of attendees due to current COVID19 restrictions.Members are therefore strongly encouraged to complete the enclosed Proxy form and forward it to the Secretary.If you wish to attend in person, you must complete the ballot paper and forward it to the address shown.Successful applicants will be notified a few days before the meeting.If you do send in a ballot paper, you're also encouraged to submit a Proxy Form in case you're unsuccessful in the ballot.The ballot process is seen as the fairest way of determining who can attend.The number who can attend is uncertain, but the number of successful applicants will be whatever the COVID19 restrictions allow.The actions being requested need to be finalized now rather than wait forCOVID19 restrictions to be fully lifted to enable normal meeting to be held.A separate document sets out the Committee's reasons for the actions to be considered by the membership.As previously advised, the Committee has sold off certain parts of the Society's previous operations. This means that this Newsletter doesn't have reports on Newsrail, Museum, Archive or Sales.Additionally the Sales function on our website has been disabled so that it may be transferred to the new organisation.Greg Michael Secretary

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yes, ARHS vic is in the process of folding with all its assets and mastheads have been transferred to a new organisation called something along the lines of 'Newport Railway museum' IIRC, same members and assets minus the ARHS name and organisation.

Why? Probably because of all the child sex abuse cases that have emerged that happened back in the old day and to prevent the museum from going under.

Someone more enlightened can probably tell more than me.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I want to comment but I am not sure it’s safe to do so. I thought the Catholic Church was good at limiting liability, but they at least keep their identity.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

I want to comment but I am not sure it’s safe to do so. I thought the Catholic Church was good at limiting liability, but they at least keep their identity.
Aaron
Church owns their properties so have unlimited resources to cough up for the sins of the past, whereas ARHS only leased their property.
I can't see why it's not safe to comment?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yes, ARHS vic is in the process of folding with all its assets and mastheads have been transferred to a new organisation called something along the lines of 'Newport Railway museum' IIRC, same members and assets minus the ARHS name and organisation.

Why? Probably because of all the child sex abuse cases that have emerged that happened back in the old day and to prevent the museum from going under.

Someone more enlightened can probably tell more than me.
Dangersdan707
Indeed. Will be interesting to see if that safeguards the assets or not though or if it is just to protect any new assets acquired by the organisation.
  allan Chief Commissioner
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I hope that the Victorian government places caveats on all the assets prior to the meeting where the phoenix scheme will be voted on.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

I hope that the Victorian government places caveats on all the assets prior to the meeting where the phoenix scheme will be voted on.
justapassenger
Well the meeting was scheduled for last Thursday so I would imagine that they(Victorian State Govt) would have driven this whole process as they hold the freehold via Victrack of the Railway Museum site and most of the exhibits.
All the tourist rail facilities in Victoria have never been more closely under the microscope of the State Govt thanks to the Ombudsman's report.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It seems this needs to be spelled out more clearly. I am talking about the government placing a caveat on whatever assets that are owned by ARHSV, not anything to do with assets that the government already owns.

Once there is a caveat, the government can confiscate the income from selling any assets (and use it to pay ARHSV victims, in lieu of ARHSV joining the National Redress Scheme) or block a below value sale such as that which might be used in a phoenixing scheme.

Similar steps have already been taken with the assets of the Puffing Billy Preservation Society, to ensure that they can't attempt to phoenix themselves and avoid compensating their victims.

With the tighter COVID-19 restrictions in Victoria, I'm not sure that the special general meeting would have gone ahead as scheduled. Can anyone verify this?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The notice of the Special General Meeting says Monday 27 July 2020. That hasn't happened yet, so the discussion about the outcome is a little premature. In that notice they placed a limit of 20 on the attendees, but in the current situation that is not permissible. I haven't received any notification of any alternative arrangements, so no idea of what the ARHS might do.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Yes, ARHS vic is in the process of folding with all its assets and mastheads have been transferred to a new organisation called something along the lines of 'Newport Railway museum' IIRC, same members and assets minus the ARHS name and organisation.
Dangersdan707

The members of the current ARHSV are not members of the new society.

I would suspect that the new society has very few members at the moment. Presumably, at some later date, the new society will request applications for membership, and anyone will be able to join if they pay the dues.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Yes, ARHS vic is in the process of folding with all its assets and mastheads have been transferred to a new organisation called something along the lines of 'Newport Railway museum' IIRC, same members and assets minus the ARHS name and organisation.

The members of the current ARHSV are not members of the new society.

I would suspect that the new society has very few members at the moment. Presumably, at some later date, the new society will request applications for membership, and anyone will be able to join if they pay the dues.
historian
That's an interesting point, Historian. The ARHSV did not accept any renewals for this year, so technically do they have any members at all (other than life members)?   I received the notice of the SGM, and supplied my proxy vote, but I wonder what the legalities are.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Yes, ARHS vic is in the process of folding with all its assets and mastheads have been transferred to a new organisation called something along the lines of 'Newport Railway museum' IIRC, same members and assets minus the ARHS name and organisation.

The members of the current ARHSV are not members of the new society.

I would suspect that the new society has very few members at the moment. Presumably, at some later date, the new society will request applications for membership, and anyone will be able to join if they pay the dues.
That's an interesting point, Historian. The ARHSV did not accept any renewals for this year, so technically do they have any members at all (other than life members)?   I received the notice of the SGM, and supplied my proxy vote, but I wonder what the legalities are.
duttonbay

How did you vote? (Don't answer, I'm just being cheeky.)

My memory of the renewal was that all the 2019/20 members were automatically renewed as members for the 2020/1 year, with no membership fees. (This is valid as the constitution allows the committee to set the membership fees at any figure.)

The documentation at the time said something along the lines that they would not be taking money for renewals as they were unsure if the members would get any value from the membership.

I can remember reading that and thinking that the society would be shut down during the year.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Yes, ARHS vic is in the process of folding with all its assets and mastheads have been transferred to a new organisation called something along the lines of 'Newport Railway museum' IIRC, same members and assets minus the ARHS name and organisation.

The members of the current ARHSV are not members of the new society.

I would suspect that the new society has very few members at the moment. Presumably, at some later date, the new society will request applications for membership, and anyone will be able to join if they pay the dues.
That's an interesting point, Historian. The ARHSV did not accept any renewals for this year, so technically do they have any members at all (other than life members)?   I received the notice of the SGM, and supplied my proxy vote, but I wonder what the legalities are.

How did you vote? (Don't answer, I'm just being cheeky.)

My memory of the renewal was that all the 2019/20 members were automatically renewed as members for the 2020/1 year, with no membership fees. (This is valid as the constitution allows the committee to set the membership fees at any figure.)

The documentation at the time said something along the lines that they would not be taking money for renewals as they were unsure if the members would get any value from the membership.

I can remember reading that and thinking that the society would be shut down during the year.
historian
That rings a bell.  No money changed hands, but renewed. I read that and thought precisely the same as you.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

So did they wind up or didn't they?
Any outcome as to how they will proceed with a rebrand?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There is a legal notice in today's Age on behalf of "Australian Railway Historical Society, Victorian Division (in liquidation)", calling for any creditors who have not registered to do so by August 31.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Another notice in The Age today to creditors, declaring the intention to create a final dividend on behalf of the Australian Railway Historical Society Victorian Division (in liquidation) A0033223H.
The dividend will be declared on 14/10/2020, and creditors are required to prove their claims on or before 07/10/2020.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

This from the Blog of one of the firms actively handling claims.
https://rctlaw.com.au/legal-blog/2020/railways-changes-should-not-prevent-making-abuse-claims

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