Patrick and Port of Melbourne sign agreement for rail terminal at East Swanson Dock

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 10 Sep 2020 12:31
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Perhaps to single most important project the Andrew's Government has got right rail to the Port of Melbourne and now we are seeing development of further rail based investment at the port.  This is really good news.

Patrick and Port of Melbourne sign agreement for rail terminal at East Swanson Dock

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  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Dual gauge! How progressive Wink
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

$15m for two 600metre sidings??? There's already track to the Patrick Coode Rd terminal.
Are they using gold Pandrol clips?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
$15m for two 600metre sidings??? There's already track to the Patrick Coode Rd terminal.
Are they using gold Pandrol clips?
Lockspike
Just because track is there doesnt mean its in useable condition, let alone trying to get across the river.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

$15m for two 600metre sidings??? There's already track to the Patrick Coode Rd terminal.
Are they using gold Pandrol clips?
Just because track is there doesnt mean its in useable condition, let alone trying to get across the river.
speedemon08
Unless I'm grossly mistaken, (and please forgive my ignorance), there's no river to cross.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
$15m for two 600metre sidings??? There's already track to the Patrick Coode Rd terminal.
Are they using gold Pandrol clips?
Just because track is there doesnt mean its in useable condition, let alone trying to get across the river.
Unless I'm grossly mistaken, (and please forgive my ignorance), there's no river to cross.
Lockspike
There is always a river to cross



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF3IktTk_pQ
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
$15m for two 600metre sidings??? There's already track to the Patrick Coode Rd terminal.
Are they using gold Pandrol clips?
Just because track is there doesnt mean its in useable condition, let alone trying to get across the river.
Unless I'm grossly mistaken, (and please forgive my ignorance), there's no river to cross.
Lockspike
Perhaps the $15 million includes digging a river.

More seriously though, 200,000 TEU/year equates to 4,000 TEU/week.

A 600 metre train (550m plus locos) will carry around 78 TEU assuming a suitable mix of 20 and 40 foot containers. Again assuming that the 4,000 TEU/week is, in fact, 2,000 TEU inwards and 2,000 outwards we are looking at 26 trains/day or greater than one train/hour.

I will believe it when I see it if I live that long.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Perhaps the $15 million includes digging a river.
YM-Mundrabilla
That may be your finest hour on RP YM, absolute rolled GOLD!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Perhaps the $15 million includes digging a river.
That may be your finest hour on RP YM, absolute rolled GOLD!
BrentonGolding
Thank you BG.Smile
Someone was looking for a bridge - perhaps bridge the Maribyrnong and re-connect the Maribyrnong River line.
Instead of a bridge a tunnel under the Maribyrnong with an underwater level crossing in the new Westwhatever tunnel which is somewhere nearby?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

200,000 div by 50 (weeks per year) = 4,000
4,000 div by 6 (days per week) = 666
666 div by 78 (containers per train) = 8.5
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
$15m for two 600metre sidings??? There's already track to the Patrick Coode Rd terminal.
Are they using gold Pandrol clips?
Just because track is there doesnt mean its in useable condition, let alone trying to get across the river.
Unless I'm grossly mistaken, (and please forgive my ignorance), there's no river to cross.
Lockspike
Whoops, got my locations confused.

200,000 div by 50 (weeks per year) = 4,000
4,000 div by 6 (days per week) = 666
666 div by 78 (containers per train) = 8.5
kitchgp


  • 9721/7922v from Dooen I think 5 times a week, half the year its loaded longer than the siding so they have to split the train.
  • MK1 log train from Bordertown to be 5 times a week.
  • Plus the capacity to add in port shuttles in.
  • (And I think PN was shunting some containers in there at some point once or twice a week)

I'm going to assume Swanson dock will end up a little like Vic Dock, 2 hardstand tracks for the reach stacker to load trains on and a 3rd to run around the train to make it logistically easier to shunt locos, by not having the trains do it before they propell back into the current single track siding.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
200,000 div by 50 (weeks per year) = 4,000
4,000 div by 6 (days per week) = 666
666 div by 78 (containers per train) = 8.5
kitchgp
Thanks.
Oops! Rolling Eyes
Arithmetic was never my strongest subject.
Agree 4,000 TEU week (2,000 in and 2,000 out)
So 4,000 / 78 TEU train = ~51 trains / 7 days = around 8 trains/day as you have said.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Question: with 8 trains per day does this mean 16 movements (including both in and out) then where will the trains be staged?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Found this linked on facebook. So I guess a couple of new roads, proper hardstand and pointwork does explain the cost.


  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Found this linked on facebook. So I guess a couple of new roads, proper hardstand and pointwork does explain the cost.


speedemon08
Hmm, will the triangle be used to turn whole trains?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

I've not seen this posted... the 2020 Port of Melbourne wish list which explains where they want to go with rail. This project is the first stage.

https://www.portofmelbourne.com/wp-content/uploads/PoM-Our-Plan-for-Rail-2020.pdf

One interesting omission is the Swanson Dock extension across Footscray Road.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Found this linked on facebook. So I guess a couple of new roads, proper hardstand and pointwork does explain the cost.
speedemon08
Hmm, will the triangle be used to turn whole trains?
"Lockspike"


I read it that the plan is that 1500m trains will be brought into the existing sidings adjacent to Appleton Dock, then broken up into 600m chunks and shunted back around the new connection to the new East Swanson Dock sidings.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Welcome news but why has it taken for the port to be privatised for rail work to finally take shape ?

Am I right in assuming it will cost more to deliver or collect a container to the post than if the same container was take or delivered by tail ?
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Hmm, will the triangle be used to turn whole trains?
I read it that the plan is that 1500m trains will be brought into the existing sidings adjacent to Appleton Dock, then broken up into 600m chunks and shunted back around the new connection to the new East Swanson Dock sidings.
historian
Interesting, thanks Historian
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Interesting to see a Week Dock rail connection as Stage 2 on the PoM doc. It basically follows the original alignment.

A lot to chew on, including wider plans for WIFT at Truganina and Outer Metro Ring Road/Rail.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Duh, AutoCorrect again - Webb Dock rail link...
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
Interesting to see a Week Dock rail connection as Stage 2 on the PoM doc. It basically follows the original alignment.

A lot to chew on, including wider plans for WIFT at Truganina and Outer Metro Ring Road/Rail.
Carnot

HOw is it connecting to the Melbourne Yard area?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Welcome news but why has it taken for the port to be privatised for rail work to finally take shape ?
freightgate
Dont have to deal with bureaucrats as much to make a descision, and rather than hypothetical use case they actually want it.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Webb Dock is planned to linked by a bridge parallel to Bolte Bridge and then via mostly the old alignment along Lorimer Street.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
Webb Dock is planned to linked by a bridge parallel to Bolte Bridge and then via mostly the old alignment along Lorimer Street.
Carnot

Linking into the network at where appleton dock?

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