Patrick and Port of Melbourne sign agreement for rail terminal at East Swanson Dock

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 10 Sep 2020 12:31
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
Webb Dock is planned to linked by a bridge parallel to Bolte Bridge and then via mostly the old alignment along Lorimer Street.
Carnot
Is that a swing bridge, or somehow you're going to elevate the line 25m ?

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Webb Dock is planned to linked by a bridge parallel to Bolte Bridge and then via mostly the old alignment along Lorimer Street.

Linking into the network at where appleton dock?
GheringhapLoop
The PDF linked by  Historian shows it pretty well. New track to go in parallel to the existing footscray rd offramp, where there's an existing bit of double track going to a hardstand,  next to the bolte bridge. new bridge next to or as part of the bolte bridge, at or close to the same height i imagine, then joining the web dock line where an existing car park is before what looks like cement/lime silos on Lorimer st.

Climb up to the height of the existing bridge would be a steep one. Maybee why they are talking of halving the train somwhere and only taking 600m insted of 1500m.

Would be nice if they could get that up and running fairly quick. If there's plans already in someones draw, it shouldn't take long to action. If they have to plan it, don't expect a sod to be turned for at least 2-4 years.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Climb up to the height of the existing bridge would be a steep one. Maybee why they are talking of halving the train somwhere and only taking 600m insted of 1500m.
Galron
And change to a rack loco to drag the train over the bridge Cool
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Given the limited rail and water traffic and the small size of vessels at that point some form of low/medium height opening bridge/s could be considered. Perhaps sufficient to clear the Bellarine ferries etc without the need to open but opening to clear yachts and oilfield tenders etc 'whenever'. There is a need for reasonable access to Victoria Harbour and the Yarra as there are now no other publicly accessible berths in Melbourne to service small vessels.

Long gone is the time when a fleet of around 50 odd US destroyers, cruisers and tankers etc sailed into Melbourne as was the case in 1925. Most of that fleet was berthed in Victoria Dock.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
Webb Dock is planned to linked by a bridge parallel to Bolte Bridge and then via mostly the old alignment along Lorimer Street.

Linking into the network at where appleton dock?

Climb up to the height of the existing bridge would be a steep one. Maybee why they are talking of halving the train somwhere and only taking 600m insted of 1500m.

Would be nice if they could get that up and running fairly quick. If there's plans already in someones draw, it shouldn't take long to action. If they have to plan it, don't expect a sod to be turned for at least 2-4 years.
Galron
"steep one" , about 25m in 500m max.
1:20 be lucky to get the engine up, let alone a few thousand tonnes.

However, saw the SBS doco last night about Hetton Colliery Railway.
George Stephenson figured it out 200 years ago. Winch the cars up the hill.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetton_colliery_railway Wink

cheers
John
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Two Lady-class Sydney ferries, Lady Cutler & ex-Lady McKell, operate cruises on Port Philip Bay from Victoria Harbour, Docklands. Not sure what their status is with the closure of Central Pier and COVID-19. HMAS Ballarat, Anzac-class frigate, was commissioned there in 2004. The MY Steve Irwin has also docked there.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Two Lady-class Sydney ferries, Lady Cutler & ex-Lady McKell, operate cruises on Port Philip Bay from Victoria Harbour, Docklands. Not sure what their status is with the closure of Central Pier and COVID-19. HMAS Ballarat, Anzac-class frigate, was commissioned there in 2004.The MY Steve Irwin has also docked there.
kitchgp
Lady Cutler and Victoria Star were last seen alongside the southern wall of the former Victoria Dock well away from Central Pier. Steve Irwin was a once off fund raising exercise IIRC.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Webb Dock is planned to linked by a bridge parallel to Bolte Bridge and then via mostly the old alignment along Lorimer Street.

Linking into the network at where appleton dock?
GheringhapLoop
The PDF linked by  Historian shows it pretty well. New track to go in parallel to the existing footscray rd offramp, where there's an existing bit of double track going to a hardstand,  next to the bolte bridge. new bridge next to or as part of the bolte bridge, at or close to the same height i imagine, then joining the web dock line where an existing car park is before what looks like cement/lime silos on Lorimer st.

Climb up to the height of the existing bridge would be a steep one. Maybee why they are talking of halving the train somwhere and only taking 600m insted of 1500m.

Would be nice if they could get that up and running fairly quick. If there's plans already in someones draw, it shouldn't take long to action. If they have to plan it, don't expect a sod to be turned for at least 2-4 years.
"Galron"


I doubt the idea has changed in the last twenty years - a movable bridge. I would suggest the clearance would be about the same as the existing Queensbridge and Spencer Street.

When first publicly floated around twenty years ago the architects of the Bolte bridge had an attack of the vapours at a crude industrial bridge ruining the western view of their masterpiece. I remember particularly their concern about the rail bridge constrasting with their pointless towers. The Age, in particular, was most concerned at this artistic desecration.

The fact that the Webb Dock line hasn't been lifted beyond the Bolte bridge shows that neither the PoM nor the State government has forgotten or given up.

One hudred years ago the Yanks would build a movable bridge like this in about a year. Personally I'd like a Scherzer style.

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