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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
We will never know Obama vs Trump who would win, but had Obama been allowed to run again he would have likely won again removing Trump from the equation. But Trump is there because the Dem's put Hillary on the platform, considering Hillary lost even after winning on popular vote by 4m votes shows it would not have taken much to keep Trump out. My guess is Trump vs Obama and Obama would have won.

The people who voted for Obama are mostly the poor.

Under Obama unemployment was improving and the same trend continued into Trump's era until 2019.

Trump was never going to rescue the poor, rather the opposite it was even in his policy.

Trump wanted to bring jobs back into the US, but those jobs kept leaving for the same reason they left Australia. You cannot make money making something with labour costing $15-20/h where as others do it for less. This has been going on for decades as the economy develops. The low education high labour manual jobs go off-shore replaced by modern higher skilled jobs. Mexico builds low cost cars, the US builds high cost cars, planes and rockets.

The problem with the Republican party is when it comes to economic management they talk the talk but don't walk it.
- Debt always rises
- Deficits are rarely brought under control
- They throw money at the military
- They won't increase taxes
- They only try and balance the budget by cutting what little welfare the US has.

For all his faults, Clinton is still the only President that has managed to reduce the debt during his term for a long time.
RTT_Rules
Another good post but I'd add a few things -

Obama was popular but he did nothing for those in poverty, in fact poverty increased quite a bit in the first four years of Obama - unemployment fell in Trumps first few years from 4.7% to 3.4% and GDP grew so although he didn't directly give welfare to the poor he did improve the economy pre-COVID.

Bringing industry back on shore is very hard but not impossible - in the case of China in particilar big companies like Monsanto, Bayer, Dow and technology/defense companies were screaming out for Obama to do something to stop Chinese theft of their intellectual property and by and large he sat on his hands. At least that changed under Trump and China suddenly had to account for their actions particularly with patents and investment rules.

China should never have been admitted to the WTO in my opinion, they're still not adhering to the terms of their admission in 2002 and more recently have been clearly breaking the rules. One of the sadder things about the re-election of the Democrats (for Australia) is the likely 'back to normal' for China being able to do whatever they want whenever they like. With them threatening Australia on a regular basis and turning around our exports illegally I really can't see Biden being that interested in defending us from that kind of aggression given his form as Vice President.

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  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Here's Mister Magoo at his very best - sniffing and squeezing defenseless women and girls:



https://youtu.be/ydYxocpZ0kM

The one at 1:03 looks like she wants to scream and run away. The one at 1:55 is frozen solid as Creepy Joe sniffs her hair.
don_dunstan
You are a sicko if you read that into that video.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Well, you're doing a pretty poor job of not listening. You bite each and every time!


Nah sorry Graham but it's my army of adoring fans on this board who are the ones biting.
That's funny. He's just bitten, but says it's never him; always someone else. No doubt everyone has noticed that he always wants the last word; in other words he bites like a hungry barracuda.He must enjoy living in some sort of parallel universe where he is never wrong, has no human failings, and can spend all day either writing his posts or polishing his ego. It's a pity because some of his posts are good, but the rubbish is what stands out.
Valvegear
It's because don_dunstan just loves intellectual chit-chats. I bet he logs in eagerly waiting to see what they've written in his absence so that he can get his righteous indignation on. If he didn't like doing it then he'd completely ignore them and not respond to their posts. Don tried it for a while but he couldn't resist and eventually started answering them again because he just loves the sense of superior moral outrage he gets from talking to them. He has a choice not to engage with them just like they do - no one is forcing him.

Wink
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
We will never know Obama vs Trump who would win, but had Obama been allowed to run again he would have likely won again removing Trump from the equation. But Trump is there because the Dem's put Hillary on the platform, considering Hillary lost even after winning on popular vote by 4m votes shows it would not have taken much to keep Trump out. My guess is Trump vs Obama and Obama would have won.

The people who voted for Obama are mostly the poor.

Under Obama unemployment was improving and the same trend continued into Trump's era until 2019.

Trump was never going to rescue the poor, rather the opposite it was even in his policy.

Trump wanted to bring jobs back into the US, but those jobs kept leaving for the same reason they left Australia. You cannot make money making something with labour costing $15-20/h where as others do it for less. This has been going on for decades as the economy develops. The low education high labour manual jobs go off-shore replaced by modern higher skilled jobs. Mexico builds low cost cars, the US builds high cost cars, planes and rockets.

The problem with the Republican party is when it comes to economic management they talk the talk but don't walk it.
- Debt always rises
- Deficits are rarely brought under control
- They throw money at the military
- They won't increase taxes
- They only try and balance the budget by cutting what little welfare the US has.

For all his faults, Clinton is still the only President that has managed to reduce the debt during his term for a long time.
RTT_Rules
Another good post but I'd add a few things -

Obama was popular but he did nothing for those in poverty, in fact poverty increased quite a bit in the first four years of Obama - unemployment fell in Trumps first few years from 4.7% to 3.4% and GDP grew so although he didn't directly give welfare to the poor he did improve the economy pre-COVID.

Bringing industry back on shore is very hard but not impossible - in the case of China in particilar big companies like Monsanto, Bayer, Dow and technology/defense companies were screaming out for Obama to do something to stop Chinese theft of their intellectual property and by and large he sat on his hands. At least that changed under Trump and China suddenly had to account for their actions particularly with patents and investment rules.

China should never have been admitted to the WTO in my opinion, they're still not adhering to the terms of their admission in 2002 and more recently have been clearly breaking the rules. One of the sadder things about the re-election of the Democrats (for Australia) is the likely 'back to normal' for China being able to do whatever they want whenever they like. With them threatening Australia on a regular basis and turning around our exports illegally I really can't see Biden being that interested in defending us from that kind of aggression given his form as Vice President.
"don_dunstan"



Unemployment rate was a steady downward trend from 2010 until 2016 when it slowed slightly and then continued down a the new rate. GDP growth rate was fairly constant through out.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth-annual

Every govt will tell you its hard to drive up wages at the bottom in of the ladder when you have surplus labour.

Balance of trade was fairly constant throughout Obama and Trump
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

Imports  in $ value were fairly constant under Obama in value after rising for years prior.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports

Under Trump imports actually rose in $ value and balance of trade.

Exports however while improving under Obama then flatten and trended down in last 2 years, under Trump increased again
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/exports


We need to accept China is here and not going away and within 15 years will be the worlds largest economy and simply focus on developing exports away from China including limiting exposure in % terms for mineral exports and looking at how to stop off-shoring to China. Starting a war, physical or trade with them has no winners.

...and its not just China, a number of Asian economies will be growing rapidly to overtake many existing leading western economies.  Even KSA is likely to overtake Australia within 15 to 20 years. Personal opinion we should be capping mineral exports to drive domestic production.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Here's Mister Magoo at his very best - sniffing and squeezing defenseless women and girls:



https://youtu.be/ydYxocpZ0kM

The one at 1:03 looks like she wants to scream and run away. The one at 1:55 is frozen solid as Creepy Joe sniffs her hair.
You are a sicko if you read that into that video.
nswtrains
So you speak for the girl @ 1:03 who was clearly not enjoying the invasion of her space that creep was perpetrating on her?

You don't have to 'read' anything into it, you can see the victims aren't enjoying being fondled by him.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud

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We need to accept China is here and not going away and within 15 years will be the worlds largest economy and simply focus on developing exports away from China including limiting exposure in % terms for mineral exports and looking at how to stop off-shoring to China. Starting a war, physical or trade with them has no winners.
RTT_Rules
Did you read the list of 14 'demands' the Chinese Communist Party are making before they're prepared to normalise their trading relationship with us? They basically want us to give up our sovereignty and make China a special case that cannot ever be criticized or have Australian law applied to them.

It's impossible, they're going to continue with their current trade warfare with us until they've directed their people to not trade with us full-stop - and there's not much we can do about that short of give up of of the liberal democratic principles that have made this nation what it is. I for one am not prepared to do that for the sake of the keeping billionaires like Twiggy and Gina rolling in cash and so that container loads of disposable rubbish can keep flooding into this countries landfill.

We don't need it.
...and its not just China, a number of Asian economies will be growing rapidly to overtake many existing leading western economies. Even KSA is likely to overtake Australia within 15 to 20 years. Personal opinion we should be capping mineral exports to drive domestic production.
RTT_Rules
You will never, ever get Twiggy and Gina to agree to it and in 2010 they sponsored their own coup to get rid of a leader who was proposing a windfall tax against their profits. Imagine what they'd do to any political leader who proposed capping their rivers of gold?

China will restrict Australian imports of iron ore soon enough - it's on the cards.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Biden's top cabinet and executive picks have been running a secretive consulting firm that was aiming to sell things like artificially intelligent drones to the Pentagon - New York Times;

One firm helps companies navigate global risks and the political and procedural ins and outs of Washington. The other is an investment fund with a particular interest in military contractors.

But the consulting firm, WestExec Advisors, and the investment fund, Pine Island Capital Partners, call themselves strategic partners and have featured an overlapping roster of politically connected officials — including some of the most prominent names on President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s team and others under consideration for high-ranking posts.

Now the Biden team’s links to these entities are presenting the incoming administration with its first test of transparency and ethics...

...WestExec’s founders include Antony J. Blinken, Mr. Biden’s choice to be his secretary of state, and Michèle A. Flournoy, one of the leading candidates to be his defense secretary. Among others to come out of WestExec are Avril Haines, Mr. Biden’s pick to be director of national intelligence; Christina Killingsworth, who is helping the president-elect organize his White House budget office; Ely Ratner, who is helping organize the Biden transition at the Pentagon; and Jennifer Psaki, an adviser on Mr. Biden’s transition team.

It stinks to high heaven; Biden should at least try picking people who are not associated with selling stuff to the government but it's pretty obvious the 'swamp' is back.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


It's impossible, they're going to continue with their current trade warfare with us until they've directed their people to not trade with us full-stop.....

China will restrict Australian imports of iron ore soon enough - it's on the cards.
"don_dunstan"


Yep, so best we just get used to the idea and just stop dealing with them.

Thanks but no thanks China.
No more Hauawi phones and Great Wall utes into Oz and no more wine, iron ore and coal to China.

As I said before there won't be a complete loss of these export volumes as some will be re diverted to suppliers who have changed to China.

Remember they buy from us what they do because its a combination of being cheaper, more reliable and better quality. If Brazilian iron ore was so much better they would be buying from them before.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


It stinks to high heaven; Biden should at least try picking people who are not associated with selling stuff to the government but it's pretty obvious the 'swamp' is back.
"don_dunstan"


The swamp never left and the biggest snake in the swamp is leaving on the 20th Jan.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Thanks but no thanks China.
No more Hauawi phones and Great Wall utes into Oz and no more wine, iron ore and coal to China.
RTT_Rules
No more clothes...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Biden's top cabinet and executive picks have been running a secretive consulting firm that was aiming to sell things like artificially intelligent drones to the Pentagon - New York Times;

One firm helps companies navigate global risks and the political and procedural ins and outs of Washington. The other is an investment fund with a particular interest in military contractors.

But the consulting firm, WestExec Advisors, and the investment fund, Pine Island Capital Partners, call themselves strategic partners and have featured an overlapping roster of politically connected officials — including some of the most prominent names on President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s team and others under consideration for high-ranking posts.

Now the Biden team’s links to these entities are presenting the incoming administration with its first test of transparency and ethics...

...WestExec’s founders include Antony J. Blinken, Mr. Biden’s choice to be his secretary of state, and Michèle A. Flournoy, one of the leading candidates to be his defense secretary. Among others to come out of WestExec are Avril Haines, Mr. Biden’s pick to be director of national intelligence; Christina Killingsworth, who is helping the president-elect organize his White House budget office; Ely Ratner, who is helping organize the Biden transition at the Pentagon; and Jennifer Psaki, an adviser on Mr. Biden’s transition team.

It stinks to high heaven; Biden should at least try picking people who are not associated with selling stuff to the government but it's pretty obvious the 'swamp' is back.
don_dunstan

One of the many things Biden has going for him, apart from his inspired policy agenda compared to Trumps lack of inertia over those four lost years...kind of like when the Libs got back in in Victoria back in 2010...but I digress ...is the complete absence of nepotism that was rampant in Trumps utterly dysfunctional administration.

From the same article you quoted:

A spokesman for Mr. Biden said in a statement that, if confirmed, Mr. Blinken and any other appointees who were partners in WestExec and Pine Island would leave the firms if they had not already done so, sell their ownership stakes and make “proper” client disclosures.
“Joe Biden has pledged the most ethically rigorous administration in American history, and every cabinet member will abide by strict ethics rules and abide by all disclosure requirements,” the spokesman, Andrew Bates, said. Mr. Blinken already took a leave from Pine Island and WestExec as of August, when he joined the Biden campaign full time.

It looks to me that you have quoted from the NYT's in-house right wing journo/contributor. Similar to Amanda Vanstone writing her views for The Age.

A big part of your thinking is you are have ultra-conservative right wing opinions, as is your right in a democracy...but you are mixing it with progressives who have left you well behind. Argue till the cows come home...you won't convince many of us to change our thinking towards those, what we would call your many, very conservative views.


Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
...

A big part of your thinking is you are have ultra-conservative right wing opinions, as is your right in a democracy...but you are mixing it with progressives who have left you well behind. Argue till the cows come home...you won't convince many of us to change our thinking towards those, what we would call your many, very conservative views.


Mike.
The Vinelander
Yeah but to use your own logic against you Mike your views on long distance intra-state trains are quaintly antiquated - long distance passenger trains are still dead or dying all over Australia and yet you still persist in your campaign on this board to bring a train deader than the proverbial Norwegian Blue back to life. And you won't convince us (yes, I think I speak for the majority of people on Railpage when I say 'us') to change our views.

However you're welcome to keep going with your re-activation of old threads, your pining away for the beautiful plumage of the Norwegian Blue despite the fact that it's been dead for 27 years. I'm not going to insist that you stop your unpopular crusade just because I don't agree with it... on the contrary, I think it adds to the diverse palette of opinions that Railpage has to see someone prattling away about a long dead train service that nobody else here cares about.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Yeah but to use your own logic against you Mike your views on long distance intra-state trains are quaintly antiquated - long distance passenger trains are still dead or dying all over Australia and yet you still persist in your campaign on this board to bring a train deader than the proverbial Norwegian Blue back to life. And you won't convince us (yes, I think I speak for the majority of people on Railpage when I say 'us') to change our views.

However you're welcome to keep going with your re-activation of old threads, your pining away for the beautiful plumage of the Norwegian Blue despite the fact that it's been dead for 27 years. I'm not going to insist that you stop your unpopular crusade just because I don't agree with it... on the contrary, I think it adds to the diverse palette of opinions that Railpage has to see someone prattling away about a long dead train service that nobody else here cares about.
don_dunstan

You are of course entitled to your opinion on any and all subjects in these pages.

M.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned


It stinks to high heaven; Biden should at least try picking people who are not associated with selling stuff to the government but it's pretty obvious the 'swamp' is back.

The swamp never left and the biggest snake in the swamp is leaving on the 20th Jan.
RTT_Rules
The way some think, Trump is the epitomy of clear, honest and transparent government, and I am the captain of the Australian cricket team. Any sane person would not be criticising Biden for his picks, when Trump Administration had Bannon, Mnuchin, Stone, Gringrich, Miller and DeVos, Not to mention the rampant nepotism. Embarrassed, wouldnt you be?

No point trying to convince them. Rampant narciscism and Racist lies are just so appealing to some.


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Yeah but to use your own logic against you Mike your views on long distance intra-state trains are quaintly antiquated - long distance passenger trains are still dead or dying all over Australia and yet you still persist in your campaign on this board to bring a train deader than the proverbial Norwegian Blue back to life. And you won't convince us (yes, I think I speak for the majority of people on Railpage when I say 'us') to change our views.

However you're welcome to keep going with your re-activation of old threads, your pining away for the beautiful plumage of the Norwegian Blue despite the fact that it's been dead for 27 years. I'm not going to insist that you stop your unpopular crusade just because I don't agree with it... on the contrary, I think it adds to the diverse palette of opinions that Railpage has to see someone prattling away about a long dead train service that nobody else here cares about.

You are of course entitled to your opinion on any and all subjects in these pages.

M.
The Vinelander
And while he is at it lets go on a massive tangent, in some vain effort to appear enlightened and humourous.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Yeah but to use your own logic against you Mike your views on long distance intra-state trains are quaintly antiquated - long distance passenger trains are still dead or dying all over Australia and yet you still persist in your campaign on this board to bring a train deader than the proverbial Norwegian Blue back to life. And you won't convince us (yes, I think I speak for the majority of people on Railpage when I say 'us') to change our views.

However you're welcome to keep going with your re-activation of old threads, your pining away for the beautiful plumage of the Norwegian Blue despite the fact that it's been dead for 27 years. I'm not going to insist that you stop your unpopular crusade just because I don't agree with it... on the contrary, I think it adds to the diverse palette of opinions that Railpage has to see someone prattling away about a long dead train service that nobody else here cares about.

You are of course entitled to your opinion on any and all subjects in these pages.

M.
And while he is at it lets go on a massive tangent, in some vain effort to appear enlightened and humourous.


Michael
mejhammers1
Where as you can in no way disguise the fact that you're a dried up, boring old piece of toast, can you Michael.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
...

A big part of your thinking is you are have ultra-conservative right wing opinions, as is your right in a democracy...but you are mixing it with progressives who have left you well behind. Argue till the cows come home...you won't convince many of us to change our thinking towards those, what we would call your many, very conservative views.


Mike.
Yeah but to use your own logic against you Mike your views on long distance intra-state trains are quaintly antiquated - long distance passenger trains are still dead or dying all over Australia and yet you still persist in your campaign on this board to bring a train deader than the proverbial Norwegian Blue back to life. And you won't convince us (yes, I think I speak for the majority of people on Railpage when I say 'us') to change our views.

However you're welcome to keep going with your re-activation of old threads, your pining away for the beautiful plumage of the Norwegian Blue despite the fact that it's been dead for 27 years. I'm not going to insist that you stop your unpopular crusade just because I don't agree with it... on the contrary, I think it adds to the diverse palette of opinions that Railpage has to see someone prattling away about a long dead train service that nobody else here cares about.
don_dunstan
Is that the best you've got, your a joke, and a complete t........
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
...

A big part of your thinking is you are have ultra-conservative right wing opinions, as is your right in a democracy...but you are mixing it with progressives who have left you well behind. Argue till the cows come home...you won't convince many of us to change our thinking towards those, what we would call your many, very conservative views.


Mike.
Yeah but to use your own logic against you Mike your views on long distance intra-state trains are quaintly antiquated - long distance passenger trains are still dead or dying all over Australia and yet you still persist in your campaign on this board to bring a train deader than the proverbial Norwegian Blue back to life. And you won't convince us (yes, I think I speak for the majority of people on Railpage when I say 'us') to change our views.

However you're welcome to keep going with your re-activation of old threads, your pining away for the beautiful plumage of the Norwegian Blue despite the fact that it's been dead for 27 years. I'm not going to insist that you stop your unpopular crusade just because I don't agree with it... on the contrary, I think it adds to the diverse palette of opinions that Railpage has to see someone prattling away about a long dead train service that nobody else here cares about.
Is that the best you've got, your a joke, and a complete t........
wobert
What is it with you people that you can all manage to dish it out but you can't take it for a nano-second? At least Vinelander Mike had the grace to acknowledge that I've got a right to an opinion.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
At least Vinelander Mike had the grace to acknowledge that I've got a right to an opinion.
don_dunstan
What a pity you don't acknowledge the same right of others.
Oh, and that was "The Vinelander", "Vinelander" is a different user altogether...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
At least Vinelander Mike had the grace to acknowledge that I've got a right to an opinion.
What a pity you don't acknowledge the same right of others.
Oh, and that was "The Vinelander", "Vinelander" is a different user altogether...
Graham4405
Of course I acknowledge the right of other people to have their opinions - where have I ever said that everyone should think the same as I do? And I'm also free to tell you that your opinions are unmitigated rubbish just the same as you do to me, Graham.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The 'king' is dead.

Long live the king. Biden officially cannot lose the US election. Trump is officially toast.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-05/joe-biden-needs-the-electoral-college-votes-explainer/12954010

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.
don_dunstan

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
The Vinelander
And out of those literally hundreds of new policies implemented from day one, I think we should be worried that don_dunstan chooses to focus on the one regarding children going to the toilet.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Democrat Senate majority leader Joe Schumer confirms that the Biden administration will - on their first day of office - put into place Joe Biden's already announced plan to allow transgender children to choose their own toilet/changing room in any federally-funded school across the nation.

Good to see they're addressing those critical issues first.

Taken completely out of context of course. There are literally hundreds of new policies that will be implemented on day one. This will be an administration of seismic change compared to the inertia of the Trump administration.

Any government, made up of several Ministers/Secretaries overseeing several portfolio's has no difficulty in walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

Mike.
And out of those literally hundreds of new policies implemented from day one, I think we should be worried that don_dunstan chooses to focus on the one regarding children going to the toilet.
DirtyBallast
Basically the generic conservative response towards any issues with transgender people. Nothing not to expect from our resident Trump/Hanson fan. Don has Posted Similar 'arguments' like that before, ridiculing and mocking trangender individuals.

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