Consolidating Surrey Hills and Mont Albert stations into a single premium station

 
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

The reason why I don’t support any provision of quadruplicating the section at Mont Albert and Surrey Hills is the major bottleneck is at Camberwell not Box Hill. It’s not even a viable project to quad past Camberwell. Anyways provision is good when there is merit, but in this case there is none.
True Believers
Any kind of quadrupiclation around box hill, both before and after (to blackburn) allows better seperation between all stops and express services.

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  True Believers Chief Commissioner

A similar outcome of segregation of stopping and express services would be presented when quadruplicating to Camberwell, but in that case you’ll also segregate the Alamein branch.

After Camberwell there is very little need to have many fully segregated express services between Camberwell to Box hill.
The full express capacity between Camberwell and the city is surely enough.

Melbourne’s rail network is on a limited budget, why do you need to over design the grade separations to include unnecessary future additions that will show very minimal benefits.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Big Question:  What shall be the name of this newly merged station?
Djebel
Mash.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Big Question:  What shall be the name of this newly merged station?
Mash.
DirtyBallast
Considering that the new station will sit within the locality of Mont Albert, using the governments naming guidelines it will most likely be.. Mont Albert.

Cant believe out of all things to discuss this is the 'hot topic'

Lockie
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Big Question:  What shall be the name of this newly merged station?
Mash.
Considering that the new station will sit within the locality of Mont Albert, using the governments naming guidelines it will most likely be.. Mont Albert.

Cant believe out of all things to discuss this is the 'hot topic'

Lockie
Lockie91
Perhaps you prefer Station McStation Face? Laughing
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Perhaps you prefer Station McStation Face? Laughing
DirtyBallast

In this case I'd love to see it just because of the hilarious disgust we'd see from the locals.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The level crossing removal project team said "they'll refer it as Surrey Hills for now, until the community consultation has been undertaken to confirm the name of the new relocated station"
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
It would be a nice touch if the Mont Albert station building could become the new home of the Railfan Shop...

One issue with Mont Albert being gone is that there will be a lot more fat in the timetable if nothing is changed - any speed increases due to better track quality won't mean jack if trains are still going to get stuck at the usual bottlenecks. Particularly with the current case of every single up service being stuck at East Camberwell from 9PM until the last waiting for the line ahead to clear (Alamein shuttle), it will now have to wait another 1-2 minutes there because it has skipped Mont Albert. It's already a 2-3 minute wait at ECM unless the driver putters along at 40 km/h all the way from Box Hill. I have gotten off my every-half-an-hour train several times at East Camberwell (even at midnight) to top up my myki, knowing that the train is not going to depart until the down Belgrave/Lilydale arrives, because it takes just as long for the Alamein to get out of the way.

Update: In 2021 the Mon-Fri night-time timetable was finally changed, moving the Alamein shuttle across to Camberwell platform 2 (and down Ringwood group trains to platform 3), shaving off two minutes from the Ringwood group and presumably making the Glen Waverley timetable two minutes earlier as well. The weekend and Night Network timetables are unchanged however.
  bomberswarm2 Junior Train Controller

Nobody is talking about consolidating and closing other stations around the network. Nor should they.
Gman_86

They absolutley should. Sections like the Alamein line are a joke. They end up forcing the train to go at such a slow speed they may as well convert it to light rail as it'd probably be faster.
Should demolish Riversdale and Wilson, grade seperate Riversdale Rd and build a station right under the road.
Demolish Hartwell and Burwood and put a station directly over Toorak Rd.
Close Alamein, move/extend Ashburton so it's better connected to High St. Or instead of closing Alamein, extend the line back out to Ryburne Ave and move the station there. If we really want a fast, high capacity network there should be fewer stations with better connections to main roads and public transport.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Riversdale and Willison ARE ridiculously close especially if you take into account the tram square.  Merging them by moving Riversdale to the south side of the tram square and closing Willison will be pragmatic.  Merging Hartwell and Burwood with a new station above Toorak Rd. will also provide a better tram connection with route 75.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Merging Riversdale and Willison has merits with the grade separation there at a future date, way too close together. But merging Hartwell and Burwood with a new station above Toorak Rd is unlikely to happen and there is no room to build a station above Toorak road without any property acquisition, also Burwood and Hartwell are well spaced apart, they're not close together. Burwood station (the closest to Toorak road) is close enough to be useful to connect with shops and trams, I've used Burwood station myself to catch the tram to the Uni it's just a 5-7 minute walk at tops, not a big deal breaker for most people.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I don't think any property acquisition would be required to relocate Burwood station as the line would likely need to be raised in order to provide a concourse for the new station.
  bomberswarm2 Junior Train Controller

Train takes 1:15 to cover the 850m from Burwood to Hartwell at an unbareably slow 40km/h.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEiIR-xS8RM

On the other hand, this tram travels from St Kilda to Fraser street, about 730m in 54 seconds, at 48km/h average.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNNJq5JMuA

Not only could a tram go faster, but if it was a tram it could have more available stops making it more convient. in its current form, there's literally no reason to run a train on that line at all.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
New and interesting details are now emerging on the new station design https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/victoria-unveils-new-station-designs-for-surrey-hills

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