Aussie politics thread (2)

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

^ As long as you realise that what you feel is out of step.
Nup, the majority of British people (for example) feel the same way that I do - Daily Mail:

Most Britons think the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were wrong to have given their explosive interview, a poll reveals today.

A majority of the public believes they have let down the Queen – and should be stripped of their royal titles.

The survey was conducted after millions watched the bombshell Oprah Winfrey interview on ITV on Monday.

It reveals the monarchy has been damaged, with even the Queen's personal popularity taking a hit – though not as much as that of Harry and Prince Charles.

But asked about the couple's incendiary accusations of racism within the Royal Family, more people disbelieved Meghan's claims than believed her.
Like any pundit found out and exposed, you shift the goal posts.

British, are you?

As an Aussie (I presume) you found a meme that agrees with your prejudices. Once challenged, you then defend your position by tying yourself to the apron strings of the mother country.

British, are you?

Please provide a link (I asked nicely) to demonstrate that the majority of Australians think the same as (1) you, and (2) Daily Mail poll respondents regarding the interview.

Maybe you are British!
DirtyBallast
@DirtyBallast I am actually British born to Antiguan Parents and one thing that I find absolutely frustrating is the absolute deference by my fellow English to anyone who is upper class. They must speak sense and the truth because they speak with a posh accent. Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson are just stupid upper class twits who happened to be Eton and Oxford educated. And I do mean English. The Welsh, Scots and Irish do not show as much deference.

And if the English Working Class do not stop doffing the cap, then they will get and achieve nothing.

That is why I am so grateful that now I live in Australia. And have been for the last 30 years. Not that we don't have here in Australia our own issues. Like Non Indigenous Australia will have to have an honest conversation with our Indigenous Brothers and Sisters, as equals. Because they have been treated unfairly.


Michael

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Fawning over the Monarchy has been an English tradition for all of my life at least. A London-based popular daily was never going to get anything except the result it printed (a) because of this adoration factor, (b) because these are the ones who feel outraged and will make it known and (c) because those who dismiss the Monarchy as an anachronism don't care what the royal watchers say or think and don't bother about it.
Harry and Meghan will never "beat City Hall", but it's nice to see a few of the existing system's frailties exposed.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Fawning over the Monarchy has been an English tradition for all of my life at least. A London-based popular daily was never going to get anything except the result it printed (a) because of this adoration factor, (b) because these are the ones who feel outraged and will make it known and (c) because those who dismiss the Monarchy as an anachronism don't care what the royal watchers say or think and don't bother about it.
Harry and Meghan will never "beat City Hall", but it's nice to see a few of the existing system's frailties exposed.
Valvegear
Harry and Meghan won't beat the system, and I think they realize that. But oh joy it is great seeing dreadful gits like Piers Morgan and Laurence Fox being wound up. You could not get 2 bigger snowflakes than those two.


Michael
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Piers Morgan has been offered jobs on other networks up to £10M.  He will be around for a while yet.  So much for going on the scrap heap.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Piers Morgan has been offered jobs on other networks up to £10M.  He will be around for a while yet.  So much for going on the scrap heap.
Donald
Who mentioned that Piers Morgan would end up in the scrap heap? On the contrary there are plenty of AOWD (Angry Old White Dude) networks who would happily welcome that mediocre git. To think that CNN replaced the late and legendary Larry King with that goon!

A man, who did nothing but spout off against Meghan and Harry, in part because he had some weird fantasy that a beautiful mixed race woman would find a 6 foot 4 pudding attractive. And when he has his pants pulled down by a colleague, he storms off like the big baby he is.

And then he has the unmitigated gall to complain that he has been cancelled and his freedom of speech has been denied. Only an absolute twit like him would compare himself to Winston Churchill.

Like many on the right, he thinks he can talk trash all day long about people they do not like without consequence or pushback.

Roland Martin is right, that man is a punk a$$. To use another phrase from the marvelous Roland Martin, he should take his a$$ whuppings like a man.

People lap up that git, passes as entertainment for some.


Michael
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Piers Morgan has been offered jobs on other networks up to £10M.  He will be around for a while yet.  So much for going on the scrap heap.
"Donald"
Nobody should be at all surprised by that. There are always media that will welcome a self opinionated loudmouth with a hide like a rhinoceros, who is prepared to be "controversial." We have them here; they appeal to listeners who can't or won't think for themselves. With any luck he'll be sued a few times and cost himself and his employers a few quid.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
That is officially the job of the Nationals now. It will be their leader Mia Davies, not the next Liberal leader who get to sit opposite the Premier in Parliament, receive additional briefings in major issues, form a Shadow Cabinet, nominate committee members and face off in debates leading up to the next election.

For those used to the long-standing Coalition in NSW/Vic or the LNP in Queensland, it’s worth a mention that the WA Nationals and WA Liberals have no such arrangement. The ability to create a coalition agreement where they can dictate the majority of the terms might be quite attractive to the Nationals though.
There's a real failure of talent or diversity of opinion or something going on at a state politics level - we also suffer it here in South Australia.

Steven Marshall said in opposition that he'd stop the relentless march toward energy instability but in reality he's made it even worse with even more wind-farms. Just because we're getting a $3 billion extension cord built to NSW won't make us any less vulnerable to blackouts.

The LNP at a state level need desperately to take an alternative policy position or they're no different to voting Labor.
don_dunstan
The LNP in Victoria at least is preparing for electoral wipeout as well, if the rumours posted by the Herald Sun, of all newspapers, are true.

The changing voting demographic, Lib's policy platform and lack on delivering on said policies (Look at Victoria 2010-2014. I cannot literally tell you from memory what that government achived.) is definitly hindering them along with the fact that they're aligning themselves with the religious sides of politics, in a country with 30% of people not adhearing to. Coupled to the fact that at least in Victoria the opposition is literally being contrary to ANYTHING Labour says even if its a very popular opinion.

Hell, Kennett of all people is saying the Victorian Liberals are useless. And if you went by the polling during the middle of the lockdown it certainly rings true (52% Andrews vs 15% O'Brien). But there is another factor here in play: Federal level politics.

Both times ScoMo tried to intervene with the border lockdowns in the two states that it was popular with that had elections, there was massive swings against state level Liberals. WA's massive swing was more affected by Clive Palmer and the Feds trying to play their smeg, and people who had never voted Labor before got galvanised by how McGowan held fast.


Also, if I was ever voting absolutely purely on policies in Victoria, I'd virtually never vote Liberal with their current portfolio.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Piers Morgan has been offered jobs on other networks up to £10M.  He will be around for a while yet.  So much for going on the scrap heap.
Nobody should be at all surprised by that. There are always media that will welcome a self opinionated loudmouth with a hide like a rhinoceros, who is prepared to be "controversial." We have them here; they appeal to listeners who can't or won't think for themselves. With any luck he'll be sued a few times and cost himself and his employers a few quid.
Valvegear
But that's just it! Piers proved that he does not have a hide like a Rhinoceros. If he did he would have taken the medicine that he had dished out tenfold before. But as soon as someone clapped back, he flounced off like a spoiled brat.

And that made him look as weak as.


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

That is officially the job of the Nationals now. It will be their leader Mia Davies, not the next Liberal leader who get to sit opposite the Premier in Parliament, receive additional briefings in major issues, form a Shadow Cabinet, nominate committee members and face off in debates leading up to the next election.

For those used to the long-standing Coalition in NSW/Vic or the LNP in Queensland, it’s worth a mention that the WA Nationals and WA Liberals have no such arrangement. The ability to create a coalition agreement where they can dictate the majority of the terms might be quite attractive to the Nationals though.
There's a real failure of talent or diversity of opinion or something going on at a state politics level - we also suffer it here in South Australia.

Steven Marshall said in opposition that he'd stop the relentless march toward energy instability but in reality he's made it even worse with even more wind-farms. Just because we're getting a $3 billion extension cord built to NSW won't make us any less vulnerable to blackouts.

The LNP at a state level need desperately to take an alternative policy position or they're no different to voting Labor.
The LNP in Victoria at least is preparing for electoral wipeout as well, if the rumours posted by the Herald Sun, of all newspapers, are true.

The changing voting demographic, Lib's policy platform and lack on delivering on said policies (Look at Victoria 2010-2014. I cannot literally tell you from memory what that government achived.) is definitly hindering them along with the fact that they're aligning themselves with the religious sides of politics, in a country with 30% of people not adhearing to. Coupled to the fact that at least in Victoria the opposition is literally being contrary to ANYTHING Labour says even if its a very popular opinion.

Hell, Kennett of all people is saying the Victorian Liberals are useless. And if you went by the polling during the middle of the lockdown it certainly rings true (52% Andrews vs 15% O'Brien). But there is another factor here in play: Federal level politics.

Both times ScoMo tried to intervene with the border lockdowns in the two states that it was popular with that had elections, there was massive swings against state level Liberals. WA's massive swing was more affected by Clive Palmer and the Feds trying to play their smeg, and people who had never voted Labor before got galvanised by how McGowan held fast.


Also, if I was ever voting absolutely purely on policies in Victoria, I'd virtually never vote Liberal with their current portfolio.
speedemon08
Kennett of all people is saying the Victorian Liberals are useless.

And he is absolutely right. Love him or loath him at least he had a strategic policy. No relying on some populist guff like control the gangs and making our Sudanese brothers and sisters scapegoats.

Look at Victoria 2010-2014. I cannot literally tell you from memory what that government achived.

They achieved sod all, because the Liberal Christian Right, aided and abetted by Michael Kroger, spent 2 years undermining the leadership of Ted Baillieu.

Yep. Daniel Andrews or anyone else in the ALP will get my vote until that get rid of that useless Culture War posse of O'Brien, Smith, Hodgetts and Davis. Michael Kroger has a lot to answer for, swinging the Liberals heavily to the right.

I do not think that what happened in WA will be replicated in Victoria.


Michael
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out


This kind of reads as ScoMo wishes he could use force to remove the protests.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
This kind of reads as ScoMo wishes he could use force to remove the protests.
"speedemon08"
It's called grandstanding and is the one thing that ScoMo is good at. He's all p1ss and wind like the barber's cat.
  Upven Junior Train Controller

That is officially the job of the Nationals now. It will be their leader Mia Davies, not the next Liberal leader who get to sit opposite the Premier in Parliament, receive additional briefings in major issues, form a Shadow Cabinet, nominate committee members and face off in debates leading up to the next election.

For those used to the long-standing Coalition in NSW/Vic or the LNP in Queensland, it’s worth a mention that the WA Nationals and WA Liberals have no such arrangement. The ability to create a coalition agreement where they can dictate the majority of the terms might be quite attractive to the Nationals though.
There's a real failure of talent or diversity of opinion or something going on at a state politics level - we also suffer it here in South Australia.

Steven Marshall said in opposition that he'd stop the relentless march toward energy instability but in reality he's made it even worse with even more wind-farms. Just because we're getting a $3 billion extension cord built to NSW won't make us any less vulnerable to blackouts.

The LNP at a state level need desperately to take an alternative policy position or they're no different to voting Labor.
The LNP in Victoria at least is preparing for electoral wipeout as well, if the rumours posted by the Herald Sun, of all newspapers, are true.

The changing voting demographic, Lib's policy platform and lack on delivering on said policies (Look at Victoria 2010-2014. I cannot literally tell you from memory what that government achived.) is definitly hindering them along with the fact that they're aligning themselves with the religious sides of politics, in a country with 30% of people not adhearing to. Coupled to the fact that at least in Victoria the opposition is literally being contrary to ANYTHING Labour says even if its a very popular opinion.

Hell, Kennett of all people is saying the Victorian Liberals are useless. And if you went by the polling during the middle of the lockdown it certainly rings true (52% Andrews vs 15% O'Brien). But there is another factor here in play: Federal level politics.

Both times ScoMo tried to intervene with the border lockdowns in the two states that it was popular with that had elections, there was massive swings against state level Liberals. WA's massive swing was more affected by Clive Palmer and the Feds trying to play their smeg, and people who had never voted Labor before got galvanised by how McGowan held fast.


Also, if I was ever voting absolutely purely on policies in Victoria, I'd virtually never vote Liberal with their current portfolio.
speedemon08
Unfortunately they were a one term government so much of the time was spent on fixing issues from the previous administration, such as the implementation of the recommendations of the Black Saturday royal commission- coupled with internal division (Napthine v Baillieu). There was also a pay dispute with the teachers union over performance standards and a promise to put PSOs on trains following a rise in crime. The Liberal years were mostly spent at odds with unions. Remember the Ambulance union windows covered in political messages?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/28/victorian-government-crisis-ambulance-service1

I wouldn't have a clue what the liberal promises are now, but I can see Matthew Guy is still there...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
That is officially the job of the Nationals now. It will be their leader Mia Davies, not the next Liberal leader who get to sit opposite the Premier in Parliament, receive additional briefings in major issues, form a Shadow Cabinet, nominate committee members and face off in debates leading up to the next election.

For those used to the long-standing Coalition in NSW/Vic or the LNP in Queensland, it’s worth a mention that the WA Nationals and WA Liberals have no such arrangement. The ability to create a coalition agreement where they can dictate the majority of the terms might be quite attractive to the Nationals though.
There's a real failure of talent or diversity of opinion or something going on at a state politics level - we also suffer it here in South Australia.

Steven Marshall said in opposition that he'd stop the relentless march toward energy instability but in reality he's made it even worse with even more wind-farms. Just because we're getting a $3 billion extension cord built to NSW won't make us any less vulnerable to blackouts.

The LNP at a state level need desperately to take an alternative policy position or they're no different to voting Labor.
The LNP in Victoria at least is preparing for electoral wipeout as well, if the rumours posted by the Herald Sun, of all newspapers, are true.

The changing voting demographic, Lib's policy platform and lack on delivering on said policies (Look at Victoria 2010-2014. I cannot literally tell you from memory what that government achived.) is definitly hindering them along with the fact that they're aligning themselves with the religious sides of politics, in a country with 30% of people not adhearing to. Coupled to the fact that at least in Victoria the opposition is literally being contrary to ANYTHING Labour says even if its a very popular opinion.

Hell, Kennett of all people is saying the Victorian Liberals are useless. And if you went by the polling during the middle of the lockdown it certainly rings true (52% Andrews vs 15% O'Brien). But there is another factor here in play: Federal level politics.

Both times ScoMo tried to intervene with the border lockdowns in the two states that it was popular with that had elections, there was massive swings against state level Liberals. WA's massive swing was more affected by Clive Palmer and the Feds trying to play their smeg, and people who had never voted Labor before got galvanised by how McGowan held fast.


Also, if I was ever voting absolutely purely on policies in Victoria, I'd virtually never vote Liberal with their current portfolio.
Unfortunately they were a one term government so much of the time was spent on fixing issues from the previous administration, such as the implementation of the recommendations of the Black Saturday royal commission- coupled with internal division (Napthine v Baillieu). There was also a pay dispute with the teachers union over performance standards and a promise to put PSOs on trains following a rise in crime. The Liberal years were mostly spent at odds with unions. Remember the Ambulance union windows covered in political messages?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/28/victorian-government-crisis-ambulance-service1

I wouldn't have a clue what the liberal promises are now, but I can see Matthew Guy is still there...
Upven
There's a Liberal leadership spill about to happen according to Twitter - the likely replacement is Member for Gembrook Brad Battin.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Menzies used to describe Victoria as the "jewel in the Liberal crown". He'd be struck dumb if he saw the lack of talent in the present mob.
Kennett is right; they need to get cracking now and start looking like an alternative government instead of an undisciplined rabble. They're reminiscent of the Labor Party through the Bolte/Hamer era; all noise, no discernible policy and zero discipline.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
That is officially the job of the Nationals now. It will be their leader Mia Davies, not the next Liberal leader who get to sit opposite the Premier in Parliament, receive additional briefings in major issues, form a Shadow Cabinet, nominate committee members and face off in debates leading up to the next election.

For those used to the long-standing Coalition in NSW/Vic or the LNP in Queensland, it’s worth a mention that the WA Nationals and WA Liberals have no such arrangement. The ability to create a coalition agreement where they can dictate the majority of the terms might be quite attractive to the Nationals though.
There's a real failure of talent or diversity of opinion or something going on at a state politics level - we also suffer it here in South Australia.

Steven Marshall said in opposition that he'd stop the relentless march toward energy instability but in reality he's made it even worse with even more wind-farms. Just because we're getting a $3 billion extension cord built to NSW won't make us any less vulnerable to blackouts.

The LNP at a state level need desperately to take an alternative policy position or they're no different to voting Labor.
The LNP in Victoria at least is preparing for electoral wipeout as well, if the rumours posted by the Herald Sun, of all newspapers, are true.

The changing voting demographic, Lib's policy platform and lack on delivering on said policies (Look at Victoria 2010-2014. I cannot literally tell you from memory what that government achived.) is definitly hindering them along with the fact that they're aligning themselves with the religious sides of politics, in a country with 30% of people not adhearing to. Coupled to the fact that at least in Victoria the opposition is literally being contrary to ANYTHING Labour says even if its a very popular opinion.

Hell, Kennett of all people is saying the Victorian Liberals are useless. And if you went by the polling during the middle of the lockdown it certainly rings true (52% Andrews vs 15% O'Brien). But there is another factor here in play: Federal level politics.

Both times ScoMo tried to intervene with the border lockdowns in the two states that it was popular with that had elections, there was massive swings against state level Liberals. WA's massive swing was more affected by Clive Palmer and the Feds trying to play their smeg, and people who had never voted Labor before got galvanised by how McGowan held fast.


Also, if I was ever voting absolutely purely on policies in Victoria, I'd virtually never vote Liberal with their current portfolio.
speedemon08
I don't understand why state government can't attract people with at least half a brain - can't the LNP work out that they need to present alternative policies to the public instead of the same ones that the Labor Party is flogging. As justapassenger pointed out on the last page the Nats are now the official opposition in WA - so why not come up with some actual policies they think the public will vote for?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The number of people prepared to pay for an ABC subscription service is bugger all. From the Australian:



The study, commissioned by public policy think tank the Menzies Research Centre, also found that most Australians perceive that the ABC has an inherent political bias.

When asked whether they think the ABC is “more left wing” or “more right wing”, almost two thirds (66.1 per cent) of respondents said the national broadcaster was more “left wing.”

Furthermore, almost four out of five Australians (79.2 per cent) would not subscribe to ABC television if it were to become a subscription service like streaming giant Netflix.

Among the ABC’s core audience of those aged 55 and over, just 15 per cent of respondents said they would be willing to pay for a Netflix-style subscription service if it replaced the national broadcaster’s TV service.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
The number of people prepared to pay for an ABC subscription service is bugger all. From the Australian:



The audience of those aged 55 and over, just 15 per cent of respondents said they would be willing to pay for a Netflix-style subscription service if it replaced the national broadcaster’s TV service.
Furthermore, if free to air 7 9 10 became subscription, would you pay?
N. F. W. 99.9%

W A L O C
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If the ABC became subscription would it still receive public funding? If yes, then I would absolutely not subscribe, if no, then I still wouldn’t.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Furthermore, if free to air 7 9 10 became subscription, would you pay?
N. F. W. 99.9%

W A L O C
justarider
If I could pay for individual programs then yes (like a footy match, a TV series etc). If I had to buy the entire service then it would depend on how much.
If the ABC became subscription would it still receive public funding? If yes, then I would absolutely not subscribe, if no, then I still wouldn’t.
Aaron
It would still require huge public capital to keep operating, I really couldn't see them getting $1 billion in pay-per-view fees.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Don't The Australian have anything better to do than smeg and whine about the ABC?

Apparently not.

And before you start on about the ABC being taxpayer funded, last time I looked NewsCorp got a fair slab of taxpayers cash as well (without paying too much tax themselves) and are a hell of a lot more biased than anything the ABC could ever produce.

Not that you will ever read that in The Oz.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If the ABC became subscription would it still receive public funding? If yes, then I would absolutely not subscribe, if no, then I still wouldn’t.
Aaron
I see in friends FB newsfeed that there seems to be a movement of sorts in the UK to stop funding the BBC via taxes and move to other direct means.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The number of people prepared to pay for an ABC subscription service is bugger all. From the Australian:



The audience of those aged 55 and over, just 15 per cent of respondents said they would be willing to pay for a Netflix-style subscription service if it replaced the national broadcaster’s TV service.
Furthermore, if free to air 7 9 10 became subscription, would you pay?
N. F. W. 99.9%

W A L O C
justarider
I think the era of FTA TV is in its sunset years and the sun is setting now.

People don't want to watch TV when the broadcaster says, they want content on demand and willing to pay for it put up with ads for it.

Personally we don't record anything any more, we just watch it when we want via netflix's and Youtube. Yes we are in Dubai and don't have FTA, but we have subscriber (pay) TV group of channels, which we rarely watch anymore and we only have as part of the internet package.

For years here and elsewhere I've read the never ending comments on the quality of lack of about Australia's FTA commercial station content. However that's what the viewers want and this is reflected in what is ranking high in Youtube where you have access to global content. Whether we like it or not, that's normal, the trash talkers are non-normal in their viewing preferences.

So back to your question

Would people subscribe to 7, 9 or 10? No, not while there is advertising.

Now would people subscribe to the type of content 7, 9 or 10 broadcast, absolutely and they are doing that now!

However it would also appear most do not wish to subscribe to the ABC, however I'm sure if it was pay per view, there would be some support for some of their content. Would people pay to watch the likes of Mediawatch? I doubt it.

Assuming the ABC went pay per view, should some of the content continue to be subsidised by the taxpayer? Yes, some educational, rural, aboriginal content etc.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If the ABC became subscription would it still receive public funding? If yes, then I would absolutely not subscribe, if no, then I still wouldn’t.
I see in friends FB newsfeed that there seems to be a movement of sorts in the UK to stop funding the BBC via taxes and move to other direct means.
RTT_Rules
The BBC is not funded by taxes.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
^ Beat me to it - the UK still charges ‘TV licences’ to fund the BBC.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If the ABC became subscription would it still receive public funding? If yes, then I would absolutely not subscribe, if no, then I still wouldn’t.
I see in friends FB newsfeed that there seems to be a movement of sorts in the UK to stop funding the BBC via taxes and move to other direct means.
The BBC is not funded by taxes.
justapassenger
Yes Yes Yes, its a license (read tax) that according to my UK friends is difficult to legally avoid and they tell more and more people want to express their option to not be deemed watching the BBC and spend that 157 GBP on either the NHS or keep in their pockets.

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