Aussie politics thread (2)

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
How am I carping and whining - I've asked you and other some pretty legitimate hard questions about why I'm paying for a TV channel and radio station that I don't feel represents my views or interests.
don_dunstan
Is it any different to anything else that the government pays for out of your taxes, whether you think it is in your interest or not?

Refusing to pay would make you a fare evader, would it not?

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  doyle Deputy Commissioner

"Yes Paramount+ is CBS Viacom. I'm not sure when 10 All Access is being renamed but it's sometime in 2021. Will be interesting what the back catalogue will contain.
Upven

Paramount.+ could have access to 4 terrestrial channels here in Australia, (well 7 mhz of width in the capitals) quite interesting to see what happens in the near future with Australian television
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

This is interesting

“We have the benefit of doing local originals but also we have a phenomenal content pipeline coming out of from Showtime and Paramount+ in the US.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/john-ibrahim-drama-local-commissions-for-paramount.html
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
mejhammers1
Ok, I'll bite.

The "first peoples" are all gone. We only have the invaders and 2nd lot of invaders. Tasmania, there are descendants of mixed race of the first peoples there, however on the mainland, you need DNA testing to see what's left.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@don_dunstan There you go again playing the victim. Now you are saying what is the point of me. Why is that Don? Is it because I am melanin blessed? I did say that there is nothing wrong with you having strong opinions and here is you trying to shut conversation down because it does not agree with almighty Don. Whining once again. You are an utter snowflake.

Not my fault that all you see in the mirror is an Angry Old White Dude.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
@don_dunstan There you go again playing the victim. Now you are saying what is the point of me. Why is that Don? Is it because I am melanin blessed? I did say that there is nothing wrong with you having strong opinions and here is you trying to shut conversation down because it does not agree with almighty Don. Whining once again. You are an utter snowflake.

Not my fault that all you see in the mirror is an Angry Old White Dude.


Michael
mejhammers1
No Michael, it's a genuine reflection of what I see our interactions as. You don't really seem interested in why I think the way I do, what my arguments are etc. You don't want a discussion, you're just wanting to lecture from on high. Why would that have anything to do with race, I've never even met you - I could well be talking to a fem-bot, why would I care!

If you wanted to impress me you'd be a bit more accepting of other people's differences in point of view rather than constantly complaining as you've done above.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Are you saying paramount+ (CBS /TEN) in Australia?
Yes Paramount+ is CBS Viacom. I'm not sure when 10 All Access is being renamed but it's sometime in 2021. Will be interesting what the back catalogue will contain.
Upven
I certainly hope they have all the popular icons -

Here's the story of a lovely lady
Who was bringing up three very lovely girls
All of them had hair of gold, like their mother,
The youngest one in curls

Here's the story, of a man named Brady,
Who was busy with three boys of his own,
They were four men, living all together,
Yet they were all alone...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
No Michael, it's a genuine reflection of what I see our interactions as. You don't really seem interested in why I think the way I do, what my arguments are etc. You don't want a discussion, you're just wanting to lecture from on high.
"don_dunstan"
When many of us want to know why you think as you do, and would like evidence to support what you say, we have frequently been told to Google it ourselves; you have better things to do/no time etc etc. You are the last person on Railpage who should complain about a "lecture from on high".
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
How am I carping and whining - I've asked you and other some pretty legitimate hard questions about why I'm paying for a TV channel and radio station that I don't feel represents my views or interests.
Is it any different to anything else that the government pays for out of your taxes, whether you think it is in your interest or not?

Refusing to pay would make you a fare evader, would it not?
DirtyBallast
There's lots of things those clowns do with my taxes that I don't approve of and/or use.

For your information I regard fare evaders as the heroes of the Melbourne public transport network. I worked with a lady in Melbourne who traveled from one side of the city to the other every day by train and she never, ever bought a fare. Instead she just copped the fines on the rare occasions that they caught her.

She got to a point where she'd had too many on-the-spot fines and they sent her case to magistrate's court and she got it thrown out within five minutes by saying she had a faulty Myki and the VIC government (who actually bothered to send someone to prosecute these things) couldn't refute her defense and it was thrown out of court by the magistrate. As far as I'm aware she's still not buying tickets - she must have many thousands in fares by now. VIC government's fault in my view for having such a rubbish fare collection system.

Sticking it to the man.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
For your information I regard fare evaders as the heroes of the Melbourne public transport network.
don_dunstan
Good to see you taking the high moral ground. Who are your next heroes, shop lifters?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
No Michael, it's a genuine reflection of what I see our interactions as. You don't really seem interested in why I think the way I do, what my arguments are etc. You don't want a discussion, you're just wanting to lecture from on high.
When many of us want to know why you think as you do, and would like evidence to support what you say, we have frequently been told to Google it ourselves; you have better things to do/no time etc etc. You are the last person on Railpage who should complain about a "lecture from on high".
Valvegear
Why should I add links to every single thing that I assert, like that 2016 Productivity Commission report on our out-of-control mass migration system flooding our services with too many entry-level workers crushing wages for the very poorest Australians. It's there, just Google it yourself - you don't need me to directly link it.

And my observation about Michael often applies to you too - you don't want a discussion - you just want to assert your opinions as being somehow better and more compassionate than mine.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

No Don you are playing the victim again. You are such a pussy. I am not lecturing you. You state something I challenge it. Pure and simple. But true to Angry old dudes you want to make you point without any comeback.

It would be just nice if you could have a back and forth without you spitting the dummy because I do not agree with you.

If you do not like me challenging and it clearly winds you up.then dont reply. You have already asked why you bother with me and here you are whining yet again.

Whatever floates your boat.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
For your information I regard fare evaders as the heroes of the Melbourne public transport network.
Good to see you taking the high moral ground. Who are your next heroes, shop lifters?
Valvegear
No - totally false analogy.

Shoplifting from private shops - especially small ones - is always wrong because its flat out stealing. Whereas the Victorian government with their hopeless non-enforcement of their revenue systems are begging for people to use it for free. "Come try your luck with this rubbish electronic system occasionally policed with no-neck thugs" they say. Many times worse than self-service checkouts gently inviting you to put mushrooms through as carrots.

People who exploit the Victorian government's own pathetic system and get away with it for years are just doing what Dan Andrews wants them to.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@don_dunstan Because I bet you have over egged. You really have read the Productivity Report for 2016? 1 part of the report is 570 pages long. And as if you have taken anything I have said without dismissing it as nonsense. Again one rule for you.

Saying that you have empathy is like saying Donald Trump is a marxist. Complete BS.

Angry Old White Dudes rarely show compassion to anyone else but Old White Dudes and you have demonstrated that many times.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
No Don you are playing the victim again. You are such a pussy. I am not lecturing you. You state something I challenge it. Pure and simple. But true to Angry old dudes you want to make you point without any comeback.

It would be just nice if you could have a back and forth without you spitting the dummy because I do not agree with you.

If you do not like me challenging and it clearly winds you up.then dont reply. You have already asked why you bother with me and here you are whining yet again.

Whatever floates your boat.


Michael
mejhammers1
Nah Michael, I'm not playing the victim - I'm inviting you to a challenging intellectual discourse on politics and the meaning of life in general but the problem is that you get too offended by any opinions that differ from yours and get all emotional and personal. And you appeal to all sorts of silly things to try and gain the upper hand as you did a few posts up. In the words of Ali G - "Is it because I'm black?". Honestly Michael, that's just plain stupid you should know by now that I don't give a damn about race.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I'm not playing the victim - I'm inviting you to a challenging intellectual discourse on politics and the meaning of life in general

You really think that a lot of the stuff you say is intellectual conversation? Really? Playing the victim is your mo. There are plenty of examples, Don.

Meaning of life in general? Meaning of life 101 by Don Dunstan. Remind me not to put that on my booklist. Now you are just being patronizing.

but the problem is that you get too offended by any opinions that differ from yours and get all emotional and personal.

Really? From a man who routinely uses slurs against anyone who disagrees with him. Your stunning hypocrisy is a sight to behold, so you can take that BS somewhere else. I ain't falling for that crap. If you are going to say things that are not true, I will call you out.

And you appeal to all sorts of silly things to try and gain the upper hand as you did a few posts up. In the words of Ali G - "Is it because I'm black?". Honestly Michael, that's just plain stupid you should know by now that I don't give a damn about race.

Silly games? Saying Lighten up its a chat room, complaining that you are being lectured or insulted is just a few examples of the silly games you play.

Correction, you don't give a damn about any other race but your own. I have talked about George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Armaud Arberry and Botham John unjustly killed based on race by the Police or in Arberry's case, a vigilante group. I could also show you a video of a black mum and her 3yo daughter or an 9yo black girl being tasered and it will be met with utter derision. And there you are sticking up for an actual nonce in Jeffrey Epstein. In your blind belief that this nonce will rat on others in his pedophile ring with absolutely no proof. For all we know he might have topped himself because he may be put in the General prison population and you know what they do to nonces.

You are always banging on about how politicians fail the working class and yet the people you show empathy to are usually Rich, white, powerful and male. George Pell, Donald Trump, Brett Kavanagh, Jeffrey Epstein. The only female you speak highly of consistently is Pauline Hanson who is nothing but a racist moll.

Once again, I do not care what you think of me but when you say something dubious I will challenge you. Don't like it tough. You are entitled to your opinions and I to mine.

So take your medicine like a grown up. You dish out plenty yourself.


Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
For your information I regard fare evaders as the heroes of the Melbourne public transport network.
Good to see you taking the high moral ground. Who are your next heroes, shop lifters?
No - totally false analogy.

Shoplifting from private shops - especially small ones - is always wrong because its flat out stealing. Whereas the Victorian government with their hopeless non-enforcement of their revenue systems are begging for people to use it for free. "Come try your luck with this rubbish electronic system occasionally policed with no-neck thugs" they say. Many times worse than self-service checkouts gently inviting you to put mushrooms through as carrots.

People who exploit the Victorian government's own pathetic system and get away with it for years are just doing what Dan Andrews wants them to.
don_dunstan
Ok, so if the Railway doesn't collect revenue its there fault because they no longer have people standing at each gate checking, rather rely on honesty and threat of fines from random checks.

But I go into a shop and just walk out with my items because there is no one standing there to check, I'm stealing?

As for the lady fare evading. I get what she is doing, I've heard people do the same on parking. Surely the excuse "myki" is not working is easily proven at the time of being caught.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Shoplifting from private shops - especially small ones - is always wrong because its flat out stealing. Whereas the Victorian government with their hopeless non-enforcement of their revenue systems are begging for people to use it for free.
"don_dunstan"
Fare evasion and shop lifting are both stealing and none of your ridiculous argument will alter that. Myki is not perfect but it is easy to use and there is no excuse for failing to do do.
I suspect that your statement  that "this is what Andrews wants" was written whilst you were under the influence of some mind-altering substance. It could not have been written by anyone in full control of his faculties.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think I have mentioned it before, but I’ll say it again anyway, a good number of years ago I was ‘fined’ for not paying for a tram fare in Melbourne, I even gave them my accurate name and address back in Adelaide. I have had no further contact from the Victorian government, they didn’t even bother posting me a ‘pretty please pay’ letter.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Shoplifting from private shops - especially small ones - is always wrong because its flat out stealing. Whereas the Victorian government with their hopeless non-enforcement of their revenue systems are begging for people to use it for free.
Fare evasion and shop lifting are both stealing and none of your ridiculous argument will alter that. Myki is not perfect but it is easy to use and there is no excuse for failing to do do.
I suspect that your statement  that "this is what Andrews wants" was written whilst you were under the influence of some mind-altering substance. It could not have been written by anyone in full control of his faculties.
Valvegear
'Stealing' a seat on a train or tram that was running anyway?

Of course Dan Andrews and his predecessors don't give a damn about revenue enforcement on their system - they made it incredibly easy for serial fare evasion to go on and then complain about what a sin it is.

I heard from multiple sources when I was living in Victoria that the court system couldn't enforce PTV prosecutions and from what I've seen that seems to be true. If you really don't want to pay to use the public transport system in Melbourne you apparently don't have to.

It's the VIC government's fault for progressively removing the people element from the system - they just don't care. So why should the traveling public?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Shoplifting from private shops - especially small ones - is always wrong because its flat out stealing. Whereas the Victorian government with their hopeless non-enforcement of their revenue systems are begging for people to use it for free.
Fare evasion and shop lifting are both stealing and none of your ridiculous argument will alter that. Myki is not perfect but it is easy to use and there is no excuse for failing to do do.
I suspect that your statement  that "this is what Andrews wants" was written whilst you were under the influence of some mind-altering substance. It could not have been written by anyone in full control of his faculties.
'Stealing' a seat on a train or tram that was running anyway?

Of course Dan Andrews and his predecessors don't give a damn about revenue enforcement on their system - they made it incredibly easy for serial fare evasion to go on and then complain about what a sin it is.

I heard from multiple sources when I was living in Victoria that the court system couldn't enforce PTV prosecutions and from what I've seen that seems to be true. If you really don't want to pay to use the public transport system in Melbourne you apparently don't have to.

It's the VIC government's fault for progressively removing the people element from the system - they just don't care. So why should the traveling public?
don_dunstan
All Transit systems are removing the people element for their system. In London The Underground and DLR has no manned ticket offices and no ticket inspectors at gatelines anymore. And that is being extended to National Rail and the London Overground.

I dear say Trans Adelaide or whatever it is called in SA will reduce the human element as well and I am pretty sure in is happening in every Transit network in the country. They are all moving to the Smartcard.

However, I do think that for the money spent on it, Myki is a fairly average system. The fact that most stations for entry and exit just have myki readers and not actual gets is just asking for trouble.


Michael
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Shoplifting from private shops - especially small ones - is always wrong because its flat out stealing. Whereas the Victorian government with their hopeless non-enforcement of their revenue systems are begging for people to use it for free.
Fare evasion and shop lifting are both stealing and none of your ridiculous argument will alter that. Myki is not perfect but it is easy to use and there is no excuse for failing to do do.
I suspect that your statement  that "this is what Andrews wants" was written whilst you were under the influence of some mind-altering substance. It could not have been written by anyone in full control of his faculties.
Valvegear
True that VG but when a private shop catches you stealing they call the rozzers.

When V/Line catch you fare evading they give you a paper ticket that allows free travel for the ENTIRE DAY not just the service you are on.

Seen it with my own eyes, as a law abiding and fare paying traveller it makes me wonder why I bother

As is the case so often in our supposed society

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDq1HoNm-E
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I dear say Trans Adelaide or whatever it is called in SA will reduce the human element as well and I am pretty sure in is happening in every Transit network in the country. They are all moving to the Smartcard.
mejhammers1
Staff and contracted security personnel actually appear to have a higher presence under the Keolis Downer outsourced operation of Adelaide Metro trains than when they were staffed by public servants who had no accountability for kicking back in the rear cab with the newspaper.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I dear say Trans Adelaide or whatever it is called in SA will reduce the human element as well and I am pretty sure in is happening in every Transit network in the country. They are all moving to the Smartcard.
Staff and contracted security personnel actually appear to have a higher presence under the Keolis Downer outsourced operation of Adelaide Metro trains than when they were staffed by public servants who had no accountability for kicking back in the rear cab with the newspaper.
justapassenger
My wife is convinced that buying a ticket in Adelaide is a near waste of time besides the platform gates. She caught the train from the city to flinders Wednesday last week, she was telling me that the guard’s phone rang and the ringtone was ‘Say So’ by Doja Cat (sadly not the MTA EMA version) - she says you wouldn’t be able to take a fine from him seriously.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
'Stealing' a seat on a train or tram that was running anyway?
"don_dunstan"
The oldest and dumbest excuse in the book. Your fare is a fee for service, simple as that. If you wish to be unprincipled, there's not a lot those of us who are honest can do about it.

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