Aussie politics thread (2)

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

But he works more Don. Works on weekends as well. Where as Smirk and Mirrors doesn't work on weekends, and goes into hiding a couple of days a week after a few tough questions in the media. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw tore him a new one last night, so he'll go into hiding until about next Tuesday
wobert
Wobert, smirko was at CSL Melbourne this morning for a photo op.
Won’t see him again till Wednesday.

Sponsored advertisement

  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
But he works more Don. Works on weekends as well. Where as Smirk and Mirrors doesn't work on weekends, and goes into hiding a couple of days a week after a few tough questions in the media. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw tore him a new one last night, so he'll go into hiding until about next Tuesday
wobert
Works harder at running Victoria into the ground...

News today that the VIC government will likely have to pay millions to the 'victims' of the Flemington Housing Commission towers lockdown last July as it was discriminatory or defamatory or something to single those people out for having COVID19.

But don't worry, it's all on the credit card for future taxpayers to pay so why should anyone care.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
But he works more Don. Works on weekends as well. Where as Smirk and Mirrors doesn't work on weekends, and goes into hiding a couple of days a week after a few tough questions in the media. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw tore him a new one last night, so he'll go into hiding until about next Tuesday
Wobert, smirko was at CSL Melbourne this morning for a photo op.
Won’t see him again till Wednesday.
michaelgm
Another day, another announcement
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
But he works more Don. Works on weekends as well. Where as Smirk and Mirrors doesn't work on weekends, and goes into hiding a couple of days a week after a few tough questions in the media. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw tore him a new one last night, so he'll go into hiding until about next Tuesday
Works harder at running Victoria into the ground...

News today that the VIC government will likely have to pay millions to the 'victims' of the Flemington Housing Commission towers lockdown last July as it was discriminatory or defamatory or something to single those people out for having COVID19.

But don't worry, it's all on the credit card for future taxpayers to pay so why should anyone care.
don_dunstan
What would you suggest? All governments stop all spending, yeah that'll work. Your always the first one to abuse or knock any kind of initiative, how about a few suggestions. Or are you just going to carry on with the right wing whinging and moaning and offer nothing.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
But he works more Don. Works on weekends as well. Where as Smirk and Mirrors doesn't work on weekends, and goes into hiding a couple of days a week after a few tough questions in the media. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw tore him a new one last night, so he'll go into hiding until about next Tuesday
Works harder at running Victoria into the ground...

News today that the VIC government will likely have to pay millions to the 'victims' of the Flemington Housing Commission towers lockdown last July as it was discriminatory or defamatory or something to single those people out for having COVID19.

But don't worry, it's all on the credit card for future taxpayers to pay so why should anyone care.
What would you suggest? All governments stop all spending, yeah that'll work. Your always the first one to abuse or knock any kind of initiative, how about a few suggestions. Or are you just going to carry on with the right wing whinging and moaning and offer nothing.
wobert
The fundamental point that you whinging bleeding hearts on Railpage don't seem to have any concept of: THE MONEY IS REAL. It's borrowed (in most cases) which means the future generations of taxpayers will have to eventually pay back. It isn't 'free', it shouldn't be spent lightly or without due consideration of the impact on the capacity of governments to provide services or function adequately into the future.

When Moody's downgraded Victoria's credit rating last month they specifically said that the state government had let debt off the leash and things were looking really bad for their capacity to be able to pay down their debts in the future because their income sources (GST, stamp duty) were flat-lining and that's why they were forced to down-grade. When you keep spending borrowed money as Dan has done then it gets to a point where nobody will loan you money any more because they worry about your capacity to repay - just as they did in 1990 when the VIC government's lines of credit all dried up after the Pyramid disaster.

The only choice once credit lines freeze for the Victorian government will be to cut services and raise taxes.
  wobert Chief Commissioner
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
But he works more Don. Works on weekends as well. Where as Smirk and Mirrors doesn't work on weekends, and goes into hiding a couple of days a week after a few tough questions in the media. Apparently Tracy Grimshaw tore him a new one last night, so he'll go into hiding until about next Tuesday
Works harder at running Victoria into the ground...

News today that the VIC government will likely have to pay millions to the 'victims' of the Flemington Housing Commission towers lockdown last July as it was discriminatory or defamatory or something to single those people out for having COVID19.

But don't worry, it's all on the credit card for future taxpayers to pay so why should anyone care.
What would you suggest? All governments stop all spending, yeah that'll work. Your always the first one to abuse or knock any kind of initiative, how about a few suggestions. Or are you just going to carry on with the right wing whinging and moaning and offer nothing.
The fundamental point that you whinging bleeding hearts on Railpage don't seem to have any concept of: THE MONEY IS REAL. It's borrowed (in most cases) which means the future generations of taxpayers will have to eventually pay back. It isn't 'free', it shouldn't be spent lightly or without due consideration of the impact on the capacity of governments to provide services or function adequately into the future.

When Moody's downgraded Victoria's credit rating last month they specifically said that the state government had let debt off the leash and things were looking really bad for their capacity to be able to pay down their debts in the future because their income sources (GST, stamp duty) were flat-lining and that's why they were forced to down-grade. When you keep spending borrowed money as Dan has done then it gets to a point where nobody will loan you money any more because they worry about your capacity to repay - just as they did in 1990 when the VIC government's lines of credit all dried up after the Pyramid disaster.

The only choice once credit lines freeze for the Victorian government will be to cut services and raise taxes.
don_dunstan
So no suggestions, just more moaning. How about Federal tax increases, instead of tax cuts for the big end of town and the 10%. Which would provide a larger and more equitable grants system for the states, that  actually provide the front line services. Not the politically inspired, where NSW seems to get more, and Vic has to go and borrow. Like the states have to build enormous amounts of infrastructure to cope with the Federal inspired population ponzi.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
How about Federal tax increases, instead of tax cuts
wobert
No dinky di Aussie will ever vote for any politician that promises this (even though it might be good for us long term). Avoiding paying tax is our national pastime, and if we can do it with the help of the government it's even better.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So no suggestions, just more moaning. How about Federal tax increases, instead of tax cuts for the big end of town and the 10%. Which would provide a larger and more equitable grants system for the states, that  actually provide the front line services. Not the politically inspired, where NSW seems to get more, and Vic has to go and borrow. Like the states have to build enormous amounts of infrastructure to cope with the Federal inspired population ponzi.
wobert
How is it 'moaning' pointing out that both the states and the Commonwealth are going broke? At least the Commonwealth has the option of printing more money - the states can't even do that.

I have loads of suggestions for how the VIC government could start digging their way out of the $150 billion hole that they've created but most people on here are not going to like what I've got to say. There's almost nothing left to privatise after 30 years of Thatcherite economics; the only possible candidates I can think of for privatisation in VIC now are the water companies (including the country water authorities), the Department of Sustainability and Environment (management of the parks) and maybe Protective Services and the management of statutory authorities like MFS. But otherwise there's nothing else left to sell apart from surplus crown land and they've already been actively doing that anyway.

So the only solution is to cut services/projects and/or raise taxes, that's the only option left on the table.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Hang on, you just said you've got loads of suggestions. Come on what are they?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Hang on, you just said you've got loads of suggestions. Come on what are they?
wobert
I dunno - you could let your imagination run riot really couldn't you. It depends on how state governments want to define their relationship with the people they govern - what they want to keep delivering etc. Its not unprecedented for the states to simply hand over things that they don't want to deliver any longer to the Commonwealth - my namesake did it in the seventies with SAR and the states have been talking recently about handing health and hospitals over in their entirety to the Commonwealth.

Its been rightly pointed out that the states have the task of delivering the majority of services and infrastructure (despite the GST reform) so maybe longer term they'll need to either get rid of certain service delivery and/or hand it over to local or Commonwealth governments to deliver. For example, should housing and homelessness be a local government responsibility? That's what happens in the UK - why not here?

You never know the future.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
So no suggestions, just more moaning. How about Federal tax increases, instead of tax cuts for the big end of town and the 10%. Which would provide a larger and more equitable grants system for the states, that  actually provide the front line services. Not the politically inspired, where NSW seems to get more, and Vic has to go and borrow. Like the states have to build enormous amounts of infrastructure to cope with the Federal inspired population ponzi.
How is it 'moaning' pointing out that both the states and the Commonwealth are going broke? At least the Commonwealth has the option of printing more money - the states can't even do that.
don_dunstan
It is moaning because although you acknowledge that the Feds are spending money like drunken sailors (it is well documented that net debt doubled from 2013 to 2018), you, I and everyone else knows that if Labor was in power federally and the Coalition were in power in Victoria, your attitude would be entirely different.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So no suggestions, just more moaning. How about Federal tax increases, instead of tax cuts for the big end of town and the 10%. Which would provide a larger and more equitable grants system for the states, that  actually provide the front line services. Not the politically inspired, where NSW seems to get more, and Vic has to go and borrow. Like the states have to build enormous amounts of infrastructure to cope with the Federal inspired population ponzi.
How is it 'moaning' pointing out that both the states and the Commonwealth are going broke? At least the Commonwealth has the option of printing more money - the states can't even do that.
It is moaning because although you acknowledge that the Feds are spending money like drunken sailors (it is well documented that net debt doubled from 2013 to 2018), you, I and everyone else knows that if Labor was in power federally and the Coalition were in power in Victoria, your attitude would be entirely different.
DirtyBallast
That's not true, I'd be happy with any government that was interested in creating jobs and trying to keep industry in this country. I don't include my own Liberal government here in SA with that.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So no suggestions, just more moaning. How about Federal tax increases, instead of tax cuts for the big end of town and the 10%. Which would provide a larger and more equitable grants system for the states, that  actually provide the front line services. Not the politically inspired, where NSW seems to get more, and Vic has to go and borrow. Like the states have to build enormous amounts of infrastructure to cope with the Federal inspired population ponzi.
How is it 'moaning' pointing out that both the states and the Commonwealth are going broke? At least the Commonwealth has the option of printing more money - the states can't even do that.
It is moaning because although you acknowledge that the Feds are spending money like drunken sailors (it is well documented that net debt doubled from 2013 to 2018), you, I and everyone else knows that if Labor was in power federally and the Coalition were in power in Victoria, your attitude would be entirely different.
DirtyBallast
Fed ALP failed to balance the economy during a booming economy and failed to achieve all there own forecasts on when they were going to do so. Rudd's 2007 election promise was to operate with a surplus over the economic cycle, they had 7 years of govt and failed to operate with a net surplus and the only annual surplus they achieved was handed to them on a plate. During the boom period they let the economy get over heated, the A$ when + $US 1 and and contributed to the loss of a chunk of the manufacturing sector.  

ALP left govt in 2013 when the mining boom was showing the signs of coming to an end and did so over the following 18mths. For the LNP to balance the budget within 2-3 years would have involved a recession, which happened in Canada Dec 2016. While comparing with the economic downturn in Australia during 2020 was half that of Canada.

Don't care which side of the political fence a govt is on, its how they perform that matters. At Fed level, the Fed LNP has out performed the ALP for nearly 20 years with some exceptions that included the LNP loosing govt under Howard.

Vic and Qld, the LNP don't deserve to be in power.

NSW, ALP don't deserve to be in power.

In WA, the strength of the recent ALP victory includes the CV-19 Turbo boost that most sitting democratic govts have seen globally when they are proactive in taking CV-19 on head on. Similar happened in Qld.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
News this weekend that the Greens have lost their last seat in the WA Parliament to the Labor Party - so for the first time since 1989 there's no Green presence in the WA Parliament at all.

I'm really hoping it bides badly for the Greens federally - we really need to get rid of those doomsday nutters from the Commonwealth Parliament as well.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
I'm really hoping it bides badly for the Greens federally - we really need to get rid of those doomsday nutters...etc.
don_dunstan
Like those far quits that say we will all be living in grass yurts soon? Wink
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
News this weekend that the Greens have lost their last seat in the WA Parliament to the Labor Party - so for the first time since 1989 there's no Green presence in the WA Parliament at all.

I'm really hoping it bides badly for the Greens federally - we really need to get rid of those doomsday nutters from the Commonwealth Parliament as well.
don_dunstan

Keep burning your rocks caveman.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
News this weekend that the Greens have lost their last seat in the WA Parliament to the Labor Party - so for the first time since 1989 there's no Green presence in the WA Parliament at all.

I'm really hoping it bides badly for the Greens federally - we really need to get rid of those doomsday nutters from the Commonwealth Parliament as well.

Keep burning your rocks caveman.
bingley hall
Its an imaginary crisis that has not one shred of basis in fact. Remember when we were told the dams would never fill again? The answer is that its JUNK SCIENCE.

Even the Labor Party here in SA busy gulping down the Kool Aid - their hydrogen plant has not one working example of that technology anywhere in the world and the energy per Mw/h projected at a ridiculous $460. It isn't economical in any sense of the word, it'll just compound the mistake they made with blowing up Playford times a thousand.

Poor long suffering working class Australians completely at the mercy of this insane desire to obtain a totally unachievable and imaginary 'zero carbon emissions'.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

To compare WA and federal politics is to go into very interesting territory.

After the last few weeks, it will be intriguing to see how the Liberals go about campaigning in WA when the federal election rolls around.

They have 11 seats they can't afford to lose, the big names from WA in the government all either consigned to the naughty corner  (Porter, Reynolds) or too widely despised to play a big part in a campaign (Cash), a state party that can't provide any meaningful support.

Worse still, Scomo can't get involved in the sandbagging effort himself because he's likely to cause more damage than good if he campaigns in WA.

One thing is for sure, any possibility of an election early in the window (first possible date 7 August 2021, last possible date 21 May 2021) is now gone as the government will hold on and hope things improve. I reckon they will hold out all the way to May.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Linda no heart Reynolds from defence to the NDIS God help us.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Its an imaginary crisis that has not one shred of basis in fact. Remember when we were told the dams would never fill again?
don_dunstan
In a word, no. Who said it? When? (or is it just another of your flights of fancy?)
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Its an imaginary crisis that has not one shred of basis in fact. Remember when we were told the dams would never fill again?
In a word, no. Who said it? When? (or is it just another of your flights of fancy?)
Valvegear
He says he's been taken out of context now but in this 2007 interview with Landline Professor Tim Flannery clearly says:

So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush.

Its come back to haunt him, particularly given that his supposed expertise in the field of climate change predictions landed him the job as head of his own government 'climate change' agency under the Gillard government. Given the recent very heavy rain up and down the east coast that prediction looks patently wrong - in fact we should have been building bigger dams to hold the water presently going out to sea rather than expensive and energy intensive desal plants.

Policy got pointed it the wrong direction thanks to these 'climate scientists'.
  wobert Chief Commissioner
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
https://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/
wobert
I knew that denial was going to come up - read the interview for yourself (I linked purposely so you can make up your own mind) and decide what he was saying. I think it was purposely alarmist - and he tried to walk it back later on when there were heavy rains in 2010 and other subsequent years.

He's said other things: Other climate change super-stars have made some pretty bold predictions that haven't come through either - Al Gore said the Arctic would be free of summer ice on German TV once and then retracted the prediction when it didn't come through.

There were really hugely expensive mistakes made because of that advice, not the least of which is the VIC desal plant at Wonthaggi, clearly a really expensive Bracks decision that will be a millstone around VIC water users for a few more decades to come.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
https://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/
I knew that denial was going to come up - read the interview for yourself (I linked purposely so you can make up your own mind) and decide what he was saying. I think it was purposely alarmist - and he tried to walk it back later on when there were heavy rains in 2010 and other subsequent years.

He's said other things: Other climate change super-stars have made some pretty bold predictions that haven't come through either - Al Gore said the Arctic would be free of summer ice on German TV once and then retracted the prediction when it didn't come through.

There were really hugely expensive mistakes made because of that advice, not the least of which is the VIC desal plant at Wonthaggi, clearly a really expensive Bracks decision that will be a millstone around VIC water users for a few more decades to come.
don_dunstan
Firstly to address your wail from a couple of posts up. Warragamba might be spilling now, but Thomson hasn't filled or spilled since 1996. You obviously think that Warragamba is Australia's only dam. Keepit, in the God-forsaken drylands of northern NSW and only a few hours drive from flood stricken Moree is only 60% full.

Your Gore reference has been debunked so many times, yet you still cum in your pants over it. in his speech, Gore referenced someone else who made that claim, yet you continually try to pin it on him directly (for newbies here, I have previously challenged don_dunstan for a link to prove his position and all he could come up with is "It's on youtube somewhere, look it up yourself" or similar).  

Fun fact: Wonthaggi desal plant prevented Melbourne from suffering through water restrictions last summer.

Sponsored advertisement

Display from: