The demise of Christen Porter

 
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Christian Porter was warned over public behaviour with young female staffer by then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull

Cabinet minister Christian Porter was warned by then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull about his public behaviour with a young female Liberal staffer, because of Mr Turnbull's concerns he could be at risk of compromise or blackmail.

A Four Corners investigation can reveal Mr Porter raised eyebrows among political staffers in 2017 after being seen with the young woman — who was working for another Cabinet minister — at Canberra's Public Bar.
At the time, Mr Porter had a wife and toddler at home in Perth.

Shortly before appointing Mr Porter to the role of Attorney-General, Mr Turnbull warned him he would be out of the ministry if he heard of this public behaviour with young female staff again.

The investigation can also reveal Mr Turnbull's infamous "bonk ban" was not just aimed at former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce, but also at Mr Porter and the now-Acting Immigration Minister, Alan Tudge, who was having an affair with a female adviser in 2017.

Both Mr Porter and Mr Tudge have campaigned on family values.

So he has form?

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Turnbull was someone who had boundaries and set standards for the parliament. Morrison has done neither.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Turnbull was someone who had boundaries and set standards for the parliament. Morrison has done neither.
freightgate
Morrison has been naïve at best on this issue.  He probably thought too highly of his colleagues.  Trusted them too much.

As for Porter - I'm no fan of media witch-hunts tbh.  That can be dangerous.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Gosh, glad Mr Turnbull wasn’t the PM when I was in politics in the late 90s to late 00s.

Warning members and Ministers (male and female) off undertaking boozy nights with me in Canberra and Adelaide bars and clubs, wow, none of us would have been in the job.

It’s Canberra, it’s not as though there’s much else to do, it’s not as though lugging a couple of cartons to under the flag pole atop of the grassy knoll that covers Parliament on a Sunday night isn’t frowned upon, trust me, we did it more than once.

Shock, horror, their families were back home(!) … of course they were, Canberra during sitting is a hole, the Members, Ministers and certainly staff don’t want to be there, the few times my Minister’s wife/husband went to Canberra could be counted on one hand, that’s across several ministers and ten years.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

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  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Christian Porter was warned over public behaviour with young female staffer by then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull

Cabinet minister Christian Porter was warned by then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull about his public behaviour with a young female Liberal staffer, because of Mr Turnbull's concerns he could be at risk of compromise or blackmail.

A Four Corners investigation can reveal Mr Porter raised eyebrows among political staffers in 2017 after being seen with the young woman — who was working for another Cabinet minister — at Canberra's Public Bar.
At the time, Mr Porter had a wife and toddler at home in Perth.

Shortly before appointing Mr Porter to the role of Attorney-General, Mr Turnbull warned him he would be out of the ministry if he heard of this public behaviour with young female staff again.

The investigation can also reveal Mr Turnbull's infamous "bonk ban" was not just aimed at former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce, but also at Mr Porter and the now-Acting Immigration Minister, Alan Tudge, who was having an affair with a female adviser in 2017.

Both Mr Porter and Mr Tudge have campaigned on family values.

So he has form?
NSWGR8022
Yes, interested in fertile women. How did evolution get it so wrong?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Morrison has been naïve at best on this issue.  He probably thought too highly of his colleagues.  Trusted them too much.
Carnot
Very generous.  I think he is a pure schemer, has little regard for his colleagues and only does things to keep himself in the job he has.  Once he loses that he has buckleys chance of a decent job outside politics...
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The quality of Canberra now when you think of politicians and policy is just the bottom of the barrel. Policy making now has been outsourced to major accounting firms. Big business is running the country and that means big dicks are swinging.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Morrison has been naïve at best on this issue.  He probably thought too highly of his colleagues.  Trusted them too much.
Very generous.  I think he is a pure schemer, has little regard for his colleagues and only does things to keep himself in the job he has.  Once he loses that he has buckleys chance of a decent job outside politics...
james.au
He's only in politics because he couldn't hack it in the corporate world.

He was a reasonably effective lobbyist, but that just makes him a useful idiot rather than anyone of genuine interest.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Turnbull was someone who had boundaries and set standards for the parliament. Morrison has done neither.
Morrison has been naïve at best on this issue.  He probably thought too highly of his colleagues.  Trusted them too much.

As for Porter - I'm no fan of media witch-hunts tbh.  That can be dangerous.
Carnot
If the government had came out immediately about the allegations (IMO), and started an enquiry, Trial by the press would have been completely avoided. However, that has not been the case.

In the end, an enquiry would have just cleared Porters name, due to the overall lack of evidence and dead accuser. That would have saved a-lot of trouble for the government.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Unfortunately for Porter, Morrison is the original owner of the concept that if you don't think about it or do anything, it will go away.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
No one likes the idea of trial by media or a kangarooo court which does seem at least in part on what is happening with Porter.  The more secrecy the government had around this earlier the more people began to wonder about what was really happening.  Sadly, Porter's career could be over which is sad because the police have stated there is no more action and therefore the case is closed.

I take this to mean the police investigated and decided there was not a case for Porter to answer.  That should be the end of it.  Why then are we still talking about an inquiry?

No inquiry is necessary as this would constitute a criminal offence and the police have decided after review there is not the evidence required to proceed.

One last comment from me.

The Police in all states are not an independent organisation the same for federal police who ultimately report to a minister at some level of government.  This is open to abuse as it has been in the past.  Take the red shirts investigation into the fraud around the ALP and the funding.  lots of evidence and the case was closed.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The thread title is somewhat bemusing:
  1. Who is "Christen" Porter?
  2. Assuming this to mean "Christian" Porter, as he is mentioned throughout the thread, AFAIK he is still alive. Is someone planning his demise?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

No one likes the idea of trial by media or a kangarooo court which does seem at least in part on what is happening with Porter.  The more secrecy the government had around this earlier the more people began to wonder about what was really happening.  Sadly, Porter's career could be over which is sad because the police have stated there is no more action and therefore the case is closed.
NSWGR8022
I don't see anything to shed tears over. Porter is a rather mediocre contributor to the present government and probably to be treated as ballast to be dropped overboard.

I take this to mean the police investigated and decided there was not a case for Porter to answer.  That should be the end of it.  Why then are we still talking about an inquiry?

No inquiry is necessary as this would constitute a criminal offence and the police have decided after review there is not the evidence required to proceed.
NSWGR8022
Australia is not a country where the police are above accountability.

It is never "a criminal offence" for those in leadership positions up the chain to demand an inquiry to verify whether the actions of a police force were correct, or for other interested parties to advocate for such an inquiry. Far from being illegal, it is at the core of retaining a healthy democratic system that inquiries into police actions are a normal ongoing practice.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Unfortunately for Porter, Morrison is the original owner of the concept that if you don't think about it or do anything, it will go away.
Valvegear
Nah Im sure he stole that idea from someone along the way too...
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Australia is not a country where the police are above accountability.

It is never "a criminal offence" for those in leadership positions up the chain to demand an inquiry to verify whether the actions of a police force were correct, or for other interested parties to advocate for such an inquiry. Far from being illegal, it is at the core of retaining a healthy democratic system that inquiries into police actions are a normal ongoing practice.
justapassenger

I can also think of the diminishing independence of journalists being intimidated by the government using the federal police.  Look at the case of the Special Forces and what they were doing in Afghanistan.  Once the story was written the journalist had her home raided by the Federal Police.  Does anyone think the police were not asked to do that given the sensitivities of the material and the potential damage to the government?

Another case was ASIO bugging the cabinet rooms of the Government of East Timor over the gas fields where negotiations were sensitive and woodside petroleum stood to loose a lot of revenue.

Police in Australia are puppets of the governments.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

This is what...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12355348?espv=1

The rule of law is for some...

Just A4 bits of paper
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
This is what...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12355348?espv=1

The rule of law is for some...

Just A4 bits of paper
doyle
From the article above ""Publicity is the soul of justice". Works both ways as evidenced by the behaviour of the now ex CEO at Minter Ellison

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/minterellison-ceo-annette-kimmitt-leaves-after-porter-email/13237032

So much for 'innocent until proven guilty', 'everyone is entitled to legal representation' and other such concepts which are apparently like, so last year when you are an upper middle class chardonnay socialist working at a law firm Laughing
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
This is what...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12355348?espv=1

The rule of law is for some...

Just A4 bits of paper
doyle
And Alexander Downer should have a lot of questions to answer over the original issue.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
so last year when you are an upper middle class chardonnay socialist working at a law firm.
"BrentonGolding"
I've asked before and I'll ask again; why is chardonnay used as a derogatory term? Anyone who has ever had a chilled Montrachet knows better.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Montrachet is a quality wine, quite simply, ANY, yes, ANY Chardonnay you buy from Australia is not.

Very few, essentially zero Australians will pay about $200 for a bottle of ‘Chardonnay’… Montrachet or otherwise, I have bought it twice, and it was better than Australian Chardonnay, but it wasn’t better than Australian Gruner Veltliner or Fiano, or even Semillon at half the price.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
  Upven Junior Train Controller

so last year when you are an upper middle class chardonnay socialist working at a law firm.
I've asked before and I'll ask again; why is chardonnay used as a derogatory term? Anyone who has ever had a chilled Montrachet knows better.
Valvegear
Do you think it's in the same vein as the derogatory use of "latte" as in "latte sippers"? I always found that one a bit funny..
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Do you think it's in the same vein as the derogatory use of "latte" as in "latte sippers"? I always found that one a bit funny.
"Upven"
Yes. That's another that has baffled me for a long time. What's next . . . "shoe wearing", "cricket playing", "train loving", "urban living"? ? ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
NSW Police were never provided with the 31-page dossier outlining historic rape allegations against Attorney-General Christian Porter, Police Commissioner Mick Fuller has revealed in a bombshell document provided to a NSW Government Budget Estimates Inquiry.

In a statement tabled late this afternoon, Mr Fuller said the Australian Federal Police had only ever sent a summary email “however no attachments were ever provided”.

He confirmed that while an email was sent, it did not contain any dossier.

The NSW police had established a task force to investigate the claims after the complainant, Kate, came forward to make a complaint on February 26, 2020.


Attorney-General Christian Porter revealing he is the Cabinet Minister at the centre of historical rape allegations. Picture: AFP

NSW Police spoke to the alleged victim five times on the phone and corresponded six times via email and a face-to-face meeting in Adelaide was scheduled for March 16.

The COVID-19 lockdown prevented the meeting from going ahead and on June 23 2020 the complainant told police she no longer wished to proceed with the investigation.

She took her own life shortly afterwards.

NSW police closed the case.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/christian-porter-rape-allegations-nsw-police-drop-a-bombshell/news-story/c7c843415b116d13bc364533d327d02f

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