Melbourne sinks to 8th in list of most liveable cities

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Once Melbourne sat at the top of the class the pinnacle of the worlds most liveable cities but now is slips to 8th and could find itself out of the top 10.



The question now is why?

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Haven't we already had this? It's pretty ancient news going back to March this year.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Haven't we already had this? It's pretty ancient news going back to March this year.
Valvegear

had June 24 on the article.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
I'd take all those "best of" claims with a large handful of salt. There's a sign outside of Port Fairy claiming it's the "World's Most Liveable Community". Don't really know about that.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
had June 24 on the article.
”bevans
If you look at the panel included in your original post, it quite clearly states, “City liveability ranking March 2021.”
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Brisvegas and Perth will drop a few positions in the ranking this week!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Melbourne is so overrated Razz
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Melbourne's plummeting rating is well deserved.
I could never work out how it got its high rating in the first place.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Does anybody really care about these rankings?

Aside from a bit of bragging rights, what else does this actually mean?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Does anybody really care about these rankings?

Aside from a bit of bragging rights, what else does this actually mean?
"Gman_86"
It means that some person or persons unknown don't have enough productive work to do.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The question now is why?
bevans
Stagnation, corruption, cost of living/housing/utilities etc., public transport usability beyond Zone 1 proper, traffic congestion, road conditions, traffic light red time (between 90 and 120 seconds per cycle), last year's enormous lockdown period including the initial 8PM curfew and the four-digit fines...

Melbourne is a mere shadow of itself from 15 years ago.

Back in the old days of 2006 when Melbourne was more liveable, things were cheaper, it was possible to get an unskilled job without jumping through a thousand hoops online including nonsensical psychometric tests (where failing a test and/or not being in the top 10 percentile means that the company doesn't even get your digital résumé), houses were a fifth of the price they are now (including adjusting for inflation), some supermarkets were open 24 hours even in the suburbs, and Crown Casino was actually worth going to instead of being a waste of space inside and out (tourist trap is too kind of a term).
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

It all seems fairly pointless. Living in a particular city is mostly subjective, eg family, employment opportunities in your field, climate preference, etc.

For some of us that have family in Melbourne, living in Zurich (#7) seems quite attractive, or even further afield, such as Helsinki.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I have visited about 60 major cities as well as smaller ones, in about 20 countries, and if I had to choose to live in one rather than in Melbourne, it would be Auckland.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I'm still not too sure if this listing actually means anything in real terms.

However, if I was to list Melbourne's no. 1 downside when compared with 15 years ago, it would be housing affordability. If you want to live anywhere within 35km of the CBD, you are looking at $750k for a house. Within 20km, you are talking more like $1 Million. I would say that would be more of a contributing factor than any of the petty local political issues others seem to be identifying.

Adelaide which I did notice was no. 3 on the same list is at least a bit better than Melbourne in regards to housing affordability.
  Djebel Train Controller

It's for international businesses who (used to) send high ranking staff all over the world.  They would get paid $X for the work, plus an allowance depending how good (or otherwise) the city they were being sent to ranked on this survey.
  Upven Train Controller

It's for international businesses who (used to) send high ranking staff all over the world.  They would get paid $X for the work, plus an allowance depending how good (or otherwise) the city they were being sent to ranked on this survey.
Djebel
Yes, this is true. Except like everything the media run with it every year and omit the fact the survey is actually a product attempting to entice companies to buy the full report.
  Stafford Station Master

Location: Kalgoorlie
The question now is why?
Stagnation, corruption, cost of living/housing/utilities etc., public transport usability beyond Zone 1 proper, traffic congestion, road conditions, traffic light red time (between 90 and 120 seconds per cycle), last year's enormous lockdown period including the initial 8PM curfew and the four-digit fines...

Melbourne is a mere shadow of itself from 15 years ago.

Back in the old days of 2006 when Melbourne was more liveable, things were cheaper, it was possible to get an unskilled job without jumping through a thousand hoops online including nonsensical psychometric tests (where failing a test and/or not being in the top 10 percentile means that the company doesn't even get your digital résumé), houses were a fifth of the price they are now (including adjusting for inflation), some supermarkets were open 24 hours even in the suburbs, and Crown Casino was actually worth going to instead of being a waste of space inside and out (tourist trap is too kind of a term).
Heihachi_73

I agree with everything here. I lived in Melbourne from the early 90s until 2015, and the growth in population was really starting to tax the local infrastructure by the time I left. Especially noticeable was the increase in traffic, I was doing local trucking work in the mid 2000s and the morning rush into the city just got earlier and earlier, some days could take up to two hours to get from the western suburbs to the city, I'd hate to think how much worse it is now.

Melbourne drivers have always been impatient and pretty selfish in my experience, add to that the increase in traffic and less regard for other drivers in the decade since and it's little wonder that road rage and generally aggressive driving behaviour seems to be at an all time high.

This was mostly what made me leave Melbourne (and the weather), really didn't care to deal with the daily stress of being a truck driver in those conditions.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The question now is why?
Stagnation, corruption, cost of living/housing/utilities etc., public transport usability beyond Zone 1 proper, traffic congestion, road conditions, traffic light red time (between 90 and 120 seconds per cycle), last year's enormous lockdown period including the initial 8PM curfew and the four-digit fines...

Melbourne is a mere shadow of itself from 15 years ago.

Back in the old days of 2006 when Melbourne was more liveable, things were cheaper, it was possible to get an unskilled job without jumping through a thousand hoops online including nonsensical psychometric tests (where failing a test and/or not being in the top 10 percentile means that the company doesn't even get your digital résumé), houses were a fifth of the price they are now (including adjusting for inflation), some supermarkets were open 24 hours even in the suburbs, and Crown Casino was actually worth going to instead of being a waste of space inside and out (tourist trap is too kind of a term).

I agree with everything here. I lived in Melbourne from the early 90s until 2015, and the growth in population was really starting to tax the local infrastructure by the time I left. Especially noticeable was the increase in traffic, I was doing local trucking work in the mid 2000s and the morning rush into the city just got earlier and earlier, some days could take up to two hours to get from the western suburbs to the city, I'd hate to think how much worse it is now.

Melbourne drivers have always been impatient and pretty selfish in my experience, add to that the increase in traffic and less regard for other drivers in the decade since and it's little wonder that road rage and generally aggressive driving behaviour seems to be at an all time high.

This was mostly what made me leave Melbourne (and the weather), really didn't care to deal with the daily stress of being a truck driver in those conditions.
Stafford

A different perspective. My brother spends a lot of time in your neck of the woods...Laverton and those parts gold prospecting, but I digress.

Planning decades ahead, I moved to Ballan over 30 years ago as I knew at 500 meters it was not as hot as Melbourne...I hate the heat, the burning sun and the perspiration that comes with it. I loathe using greasy sunblock to ward off the UV rays, which we of course get in Ballan as well in Summer. So I generally remain indoors until around 4PM or so during the long Summer days.
I avoid the hot desert climate of Mildura entirely during Summer as that's where Vinelander senior and other family reside.

Ballan offers an English climate which I love. Crisp Autumn's beautiful Springs and Winters that offer ice-cream headaches from the horizontal rain on a walk or an early morning dash to the station, a mere three blocks away. I can do without those Smile

As for driving in Melbourne...apart from perhaps attending an occasional classic car show in the eastern suburbs on a Sunday, I never regularly drive there and haven't done so for decades. That's why structuring your home life around the benefits of PT is by far the best option. An hour from Ballan on the train and add around 30 to 45 mins longer to drive to Melbourne. PT being significantly cheaper than driving means it's really a no-brainer. Locally I ride my bike and do my big shopping in Ballarat with a shopping jeep, usually on the train. Again, faster and cheaper than driving.

Country drives with no traffic to Daylesford, Castlemaine or even to the western district start 5 mins after leaving the house and we do enjoy those.

So I guess it's what career path you take and a truck driver starting off in Melbourne these days doesn't know any different to the existing traffic and therefore just accepts traffic as a part of the daily routine.

Mike.
  Stafford Station Master

Location: Kalgoorlie
Heat I can handle, to an extent anyway. Humidity can take a long walk off a short pier!

I also wanted a new challenge, Road Trains! Can't do that in Victoria, so it was either north to QLD or west to WA. Humidity sucks, WA it is.
Winters are also awesome in Kalgoorlie, or usually anyway, cold crisp mornings, sunny days and usually high teens to low 20s - perfect.

Also helps with keeping the truck clean, unlike four-seasons-in-one-day Melbourne. Rolling Eyes



I know Laverton quite well, delivering freight or equipment to the minesites in that area regularly. Wouldn't mind doing some prospecting myself, if only I could find the time! Razz
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Do you need anyone to clean the windscreen, perhaps ?????????????  Laughing
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Perspective.


It is still 8th


8TH


Out of thousands of cities worldwide.


Still a fantastic result no matter which way you cut it.


Id be betting all Australian cities are well up the list and shooting higher than our average.


...

8th.


Its still damn good.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I wonder if any influential people take any notice of such so-called surveys.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I wonder if any influential people take any notice of such so-called surveys.
Valvegear
Not if they have any brains.

Having visited many Northern European capitals over the years, there are few that present such a dirty, scruffy image as Melbourne at the moment. Granted, some are certainly far better than others and different cities have differing problems but Melbourne is definitely suffering at the moment.

Obviously it is not all her fault (Covid) but Melbourne has got much worse under the present plastic Lord Mayor. Her support for legal drug injecting in the city will not help either. Not to worry, however, as this will be offset by a hat full of cigarette smoking bans. Twisted Evil
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Do you need anyone to clean the windscreen, perhaps ?????????????  Laughing
YM-Mundrabilla
Sounds fair and by the time you fuel 'er' up and check the tyre pressures ......Razz half the day would be gone !

And james makes a fair point, top 10 in the world plenty would jump at that opportunity.

BigShunter.

don't tell bevans these size trucks will be operating on every back road in Vic, shortly Laughing
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I wonder if any influential people take any notice of such so-called surveys.
Not if they have any brains.

Having visited many Northern European capitals over the years, there are few that present such a dirty, scruffy image as Melbourne at the moment. Granted, some are certainly far better than others and different cities have differing problems but Melbourne is definitely suffering at the moment.

Obviously it is not all her fault (Covid) but Melbourne has got much worse under the present plastic Lord Mayor. Her support for legal drug injecting in the city will not help either. Not to worry, however, as this will be offset by a hat full of cigarette smoking bans. Twisted Evil
YM-Mundrabilla

Agree on Melbourne's overall poor presentation atm. However Sally Capp has no say whatsoever over the drug injecting room which is a policy of the Andrews government.

I won't be making any friends here by saying that drug injecting losers with a death wish have created an industry to service their addiction. I have no time for them... yes I know, mental health issues etc. Some people choose to leave this mortal coil a bit earlier than they otherwise would have.

Mike.

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